Wind Wall and Sickening Radiance. Is this viable maybe? Or another wall spell for that matter.
Have your familiar cast wind wall with a ring of spell storing. Then cast sickening radiance trapping the victim in the Sick AoE. Rinse repeat for around 6 rounds and they just die. Also have something like a summon, (From another caster perhaps) grapple the opponent.
This means you are blasting them with something like Eldritch Blast whilst they are being trapped by the wall, they're also being pummeled and grappled by the summon
Any issues with this?
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Wind Wall wouldn't work because they can get through, they just take damage. Wall of Force would though, assuming they don't have a caster with Disintegrate or Teleport or similar.
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Of course, wind wall is just one the spells i have so i was suggesting, but a 3d8 just to get out of some of the AoE? just for me to reppelling blast them back in? I take that
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I don’t think a familiar can cast spells, even with the ring. Another player, sure.
Agreed.
There’s also some pretty vigorous debate about whether or not a familiar can attune to an item. Not trying to thread jack with that discussion, just noting it’s out there. And also debate about it being able to maintain concentration.
So there’s going to need to be some DM rulings in there to make it work.
And, as Sposta points out, combats don’t usually last that long. The enemy will probably be dead from getting beat up by swords and fireballs before you could pull off tiring it to death.
A DM might frowny face it because it's specifically the sort of cheese that makes DMs hate familiars. A first-level ritual spell is generally not intended to give you an entire second free spellcast and second concentration slot in any given combat. Besides, if you're using a Ring of Spell Storing there's no reason to give it to a familiar. Just let someone else in your party have the ring and call for Lazy Sunday when you want to pull the combo.
Wind Wall doesn't prevent creatures from walking through it, nor does it inflict any damage when those creatures pass through it. It's not even difficult terrain.
Regarding attunement, it’s a fuzzy area. The rules only specifically cover attunement in relation to PC’s, and so we’re getting into extrapolating intent from non-existence. I believe when casting from the ring, the wearer also needs to provide any V or S components, so there’s the matter of if the typical animal familiars can do that as well.
Which is fair, in that case it wouldn't be allowed most likely. But I got a sprite familiar. Also, regarding attunment
Attuning to an item requires a creature to spend a short rest focused on only that item while being in physical contact with it (this can't be the same short rest used to learn the item's properties). This focus can take the form of weapon practice (for a weapon), meditation (for a wondrous item), or some other appropriate activity. (DMG pg. 138)
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I firmly rule that any creature capable of the intent can attune to magic items. So a spider or a shambling mound, not so much. But something like a sprite, or heck, even an awakened shrub, sure, no problem.
It's not us you have to convince, it's your DM. Whether it's RAW or not is honestly immaterial. Pact of the Chain familiars can get away with more BS than regular wizard familiars, but that doesn't mean the BS is not BS. Every DM will have a different tolerance for it.
It's not us you have to convince, it's your DM. Whether it's RAW or not is honestly immaterial. Pact of the Chain familiars can get away with more BS than regular wizard familiars, but that doesn't mean the BS is not BS. Every DM will have a different tolerance for it.
this, having allowed this combo, its really strong, so best bet is to check with dm for it
Which is fair, in that case it wouldn't be allowed most likely. But I got a sprite familiar. Also, regarding attunment
Attuning to an item requires a creature to spend a short rest focused on only that item while being in physical contact with it (this can't be the same short rest used to learn the item's properties). This focus can take the form of weapon practice (for a weapon), meditation (for a wondrous item), or some other appropriate activity. (DMG pg. 138)
Like I said, vigorous debate. And requires a DM ruling. A sprite might work. The question is more, can a frog with its 1int (or I should say a spirit, shaped like a frog with its 1int) sit and concentrate on something for an hour. And certainly none of the base familiars can provide V or S components, as others have said. Chainlock stuff could probably work as far as attunement. Probably also paladin’s mount, drake warden’s drake, probably a few other pets might qualify.
Wind Wall and Sickening Radiance. Is this viable maybe? Or another wall spell for that matter.
Have your familiar cast wind wall with a ring of spell storing. Then cast sickening radiance trapping the victim in the Sick AoE. Rinse repeat for around 6 rounds and they just die. Also have something like a summon, (From another caster perhaps) grapple the opponent.
This means you are blasting them with something like Eldritch Blast whilst they are being trapped by the wall, they're also being pummeled and grappled by the summon
Any issues with this?
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Wind Wall wouldn't work because they can get through, they just take damage. Wall of Force would though, assuming they don't have a caster with Disintegrate or Teleport or similar.
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Of course, wind wall is just one the spells i have so i was suggesting, but a 3d8 just to get out of some of the AoE? just for me to reppelling blast them back in? I take that
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I don’t think a familiar can cast spells, even with the ring. Another player, sure.
Considering most combats only last 3.5 rounds on average, it doesn’t seem like an efficient use of resources.
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Agreed.
There’s also some pretty vigorous debate about whether or not a familiar can attune to an item. Not trying to thread jack with that discussion, just noting it’s out there.
And also debate about it being able to maintain concentration.
So there’s going to need to be some DM rulings in there to make it work.
And, as Sposta points out, combats don’t usually last that long. The enemy will probably be dead from getting beat up by swords and fireballs before you could pull off tiring it to death.
I mean, if you can trap two or three reasonably tough enemies in one go it’s a touch lengthy but resource efficient.
Why wouldn't it be? Its a creature, creatures can attune to items last time i checked
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A DM might frowny face it because it's specifically the sort of cheese that makes DMs hate familiars. A first-level ritual spell is generally not intended to give you an entire second free spellcast and second concentration slot in any given combat. Besides, if you're using a Ring of Spell Storing there's no reason to give it to a familiar. Just let someone else in your party have the ring and call for Lazy Sunday when you want to pull the combo.
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The issue is that most party memebers already have there slots used, so I just use my familiar because its just easier
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Wind Wall doesn't prevent creatures from walking through it, nor does it inflict any damage when those creatures pass through it. It's not even difficult terrain.
Regarding attunement, it’s a fuzzy area. The rules only specifically cover attunement in relation to PC’s, and so we’re getting into extrapolating intent from non-existence. I believe when casting from the ring, the wearer also needs to provide any V or S components, so there’s the matter of if the typical animal familiars can do that as well.
Which is fair, in that case it wouldn't be allowed most likely. But I got a sprite familiar. Also, regarding attunment
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I firmly rule that any creature capable of the intent can attune to magic items. So a spider or a shambling mound, not so much. But something like a sprite, or heck, even an awakened shrub, sure, no problem.
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It's not us you have to convince, it's your DM. Whether it's RAW or not is honestly immaterial. Pact of the Chain familiars can get away with more BS than regular wizard familiars, but that doesn't mean the BS is not BS. Every DM will have a different tolerance for it.
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this, having allowed this combo, its really strong, so best bet is to check with dm for it
Like I said, vigorous debate. And requires a DM ruling.
A sprite might work. The question is more, can a frog with its 1int (or I should say a spirit, shaped like a frog with its 1int) sit and concentrate on something for an hour. And certainly none of the base familiars can provide V or S components, as others have said.
Chainlock stuff could probably work as far as attunement. Probably also paladin’s mount, drake warden’s drake, probably a few other pets might qualify.
Well, this combo allows my character to face off with any martial without concern
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Which also where a DM needs to adjudicate if allowing the combo will break combat too much
I agree with that, and as a DM myself. Say this comes out to one of my games, how do I disallow this without just saying no?
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