Concerning Partnered Content and the 2024 Core Rules

Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft

• Lineages have been split into separate pieces; the Dhampir, Hexblood, and Reborn species will now appear separately on the website and in the Character Builder.

So it seems from the above change that I have lost the Lineages I purchased when individual items were for sale. I guess I'm not getting the Lineages back and will have to purchase the whole book if I want them moving forward, even though my other individually purchased items are still available?

Or is this a glitch?

Many thanks! I'll wait to see what happens.

Its possible this may need to be posted elsewhere but is anyone having luck pulling up the listed Subclasses in the Listings section of the app? Echo Knight, Chornurgy Magic and Graviturgy Magic all give the 'We couldn't load data for this item' error for their respective 5.5e subclasses. Tried deleting and re-downloading the Wildemount book but no change.

Humblewood is having the same issue. View through the 5e class and it works fine, 5.5e and it fails.

To help others that may be having the same issue, I had to force close the app in the Phone Settings, clear the cache for the app, and only THEN did it show an Update Available for the Explorer's Guide. Can confirm what spam said, once it was properly updated, the subclasses are now showing viewable in the Listings for the 5.5 classes.

The updated partner subclasses are not listed on the website under the 2024 classes while in the app they are listed und ther 2024 classes.

Recently, I started a new group with people new to D&D and some used the website, while others used the app and they were very confused why they saw a different set of subclasses.

p.s.
Also as a note, the subclasses on the website could use a marker from which book they come from. I think they are the only entries in the websites rules section that don't have such a marker.

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The updated partner subclasses are not listed on the website under the 2024 classes while in the app they are listed und ther 2024 classes.

Recently, I started a new group with people new to D&D and some used the website, while others used the app and they were very confused why they saw a different set of subclasses.

p.s.
Also as a note, the subclasses on the website could use a marker from which book they come from. I think they are the only entries in the websites rules section that don't have such a marker.

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

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Quote from Zero_D_Karma >>

The updated partner subclasses are not listed on the website under the 2024 classes while in the app they are listed und ther 2024 classes.

Recently, I started a new group with people new to D&D and some used the website, while others used the app and they were very confused why they saw a different set of subclasses.

p.s.
Also as a note, the subclasses on the website could use a marker from which book they come from. I think they are the only entries in the websites rules section that don't have such a marker.

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

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Quote from Zero_D_Karma >>

The updated partner subclasses are not listed on the website under the 2024 classes while in the app they are listed und ther 2024 classes.

Recently, I started a new group with people new to D&D and some used the website, while others used the app and they were very confused why they saw a different set of subclasses.

p.s.
Also as a note, the subclasses on the website could use a marker from which book they come from. I think they are the only entries in the websites rules section that don't have such a marker.

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

But my point is, that it's not consistend between tool where you make the same query:
Website: Rules -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> only subclasses from 2024 books
App: Listings -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> xxx subclasses -> all subclasses from 2024 books + the adjusted subclasses from 2014 books

So should I tell my players that use the website "you can use the subclasses under the 2024 class and the ones under the 2014 class, but not the ones that were not adjusted (which you can find in a changelog entry)"?
That's not very player friendly...

Quote from Fenrys87 >>

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

Unless Heliana's did something unusual, that would actually be considered a bug.

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Quote from Athanar90 >>

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

But my point is, that it's not consistend between tool where you make the same query:
Website: Rules -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> only subclasses from 2024 books
App: Listings -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> xxx subclasses -> all subclasses from 2024 books + the adjusted subclasses from 2014 books

So should I tell my players that use the website "you can use the subclasses under the 2024 class and the ones under the 2014 class, but not the ones that were not adjusted (which you can find in a changelog entry)"?
That's not very player friendly...

 Either have them use the app to look up the list, let them view the list in the character builder, or teach them the rules of the game and set them loose on the site's lookup. Because if they don't understand that subclasses which aren't updated are still considered usable by the rules, that's a player understanding problem anyway. 

I'm not saying it couldn't be done better, but rather that complaining about it in a partnered source thread is the wrong place.

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Quote from Fenrys87 >>

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

Unless Heliana's did something unusual, that would actually be considered a bug.

 

Quote from Zero_D_Karma >>

Quote from Athanar90 >>

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

But my point is, that it's not consistend between tool where you make the same query:
Website: Rules -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> only subclasses from 2024 books
App: Listings -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> xxx subclasses -> all subclasses from 2024 books + the adjusted subclasses from 2014 books

So should I tell my players that use the website "you can use the subclasses under the 2024 class and the ones under the 2014 class, but not the ones that were not adjusted (which you can find in a changelog entry)"?
That's not very player friendly...

 Either have them use the app to look up the list, let them view the list in the character builder, or teach them the rules of the game and set them loose on the site's lookup. Because if they don't understand that subclasses which aren't updated are still considered usable by the rules, that's a player understanding problem anyway. 

I'm not saying it couldn't be done better, but rather that complaining about it in a partnered source thread is the wrong place.

 Yea, it's weird because it's the first instance I've seen of it showing on the subclass list for both versions on the class pages. Just checked and Skinshifter is showing on both Sorcerer pages as well.

Quote from Fenrys87>>

Quote from Athanar90>>

Quote from Fenrys87>>

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

Unless Heliana's did something unusual, that would actually be considered a bug.

 Yea, it's weird because it's the first instance I've seen of it showing on the subclass list for both versions on the class pages. Just checked and Skinshifter is showing on both Sorcerer pages as well.

 Looks like Heliana's Part 2 did, indeed, do something weird. All 5 subclasses are showing up in both.

Quote from Athanar90 >>

Quote from Fenrys87>>

Quote from Athanar90>>

Quote from Fenrys87>>

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

Unless Heliana's did something unusual, that would actually be considered a bug.

 Yea, it's weird because it's the first instance I've seen of it showing on the subclass list for both versions on the class pages. Just checked and Skinshifter is showing on both Sorcerer pages as well.

 Looks like Heliana's Part 2 did, indeed, do something weird. All 5 subclasses are showing up in both.

 That's interesting, wonder if they're gonna start doing that in general when it comes to older content, especially now that some of it has gotten updated to be usable on 2024 classes even if the subclass hasn't changed at all

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I'm not saying it couldn't be done better, but rather that complaining about it in a partnered source thread is the wrong place.

The recent update was the cause for a "Hey you did a change last month for all the partnered contened and you don't have feature parity between the two platforms for this change. It might improve player friendliness if you did."
Especially since some of the partnered subclasses didn't get an update since they get a remake in another book.
That's why I choose the thread about the partnered content.

Quote from Athanar90 >>

Quote from Fenrys87 >>

 Weirdly, it appears the The Parasite Warlock from Heliana's Guide pt2 does appear under both 2014 Warlock and 2024 Warlock, at least it was this morning, so there is some inconsistency there.

Unless Heliana's did something unusual, that would actually be considered a bug.

 

Quote from Zero_D_Karma >>

Quote from Athanar90 >>

The top part of your post is consistent with how official subclasses are displayed.

But my point is, that it's not consistend between tool where you make the same query:
Website: Rules -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> only subclasses from 2024 books
App: Listings -> Classes -> any 2024 class -> xxx subclasses -> all subclasses from 2024 books + the adjusted subclasses from 2014 books

So should I tell my players that use the website "you can use the subclasses under the 2024 class and the ones under the 2014 class, but not the ones that were not adjusted (which you can find in a changelog entry)"?
That's not very player friendly...

 Either have them use the app to look up the list, let them view the list in the character builder, or teach them the rules of the game and set them loose on the site's lookup. Because if they don't understand that subclasses which aren't updated are still considered usable by the rules, that's a player understanding problem anyway. 

I'm not saying it couldn't be done better, but rather that complaining about it in a partnered source thread is the wrong place.

 This inference is wrong though as yes mainline 2014 subclasses are not displayed with the 2024 class pages on the website unless they have had an update tp 2024. What pepple are discussing here is alot of 2014 partnered subclasses have recieved mechanical updates for 2024 see earlier in this thread but you will only see that on the character builder, and that is why folks are asking for them to be in the 2024 class pages.