The description reads: When you use an action to throw a handful of the dust into the air, you and each creature that needs to breathe within 30 feet of you must succeed on a DC 15 Constitution saving throw or become unable to breathe, while sneezing uncontrollably. A creature affected in this way is incapacitated and suffocating. As long as it is conscious, a creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on it on a success. The lesser restoration spell can also end the effect on a creature.
A - Would it activate if eaten and not breathed in?
B - Would the magic even activate if not 'triggered' by 'throw a handful of the dust into the air'?
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I don’t know about RAW, but anyone who’s ever eaten a powdered doughnut can tell you how difficult it is to not breath in a powdered substance while you’re eating it.
The description reads: When you use an action to throw a handful of the dust into the air, you and each creature that needs to breathe within 30 feet of you must succeed on a DC 15 Constitution saving throw or become unable to breathe, while sneezing uncontrollably. A creature affected in this way is incapacitated and suffocating. As long as it is conscious, a creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on it on a success. The lesser restoration spell can also end the effect on a creature.
A - Would it activate if eaten and not breathed in?
B - Would the magic even activate if not 'triggered' by 'throw a handful of the dust into the air'?
The pipes are connected, so I’d rule the same effect applies but just to the person that ate it...but it’s a grey area so others might rule differently
I don’t know about RAW, but anyone who’s ever eaten a powdered doughnut can tell you how difficult it is to not breath in a powdered substance while you’re eating it.
Fair - and yet we don't. So (RAW aside) once someone realized it was powder/powdered, would it be fair to assume they hold their breath until the mouth is cleared. (And again - does it have a chance to activate if the trigger (thrown in the air) isn't used)
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There are lots of thing that the rules don't cover, on the assumption that they are not expected to be common enough to worry about. This is one of them. I would probably make it work normally and would consider giving the victim disadvantage on saves.
Having reread it a few times, here is my ruling as a DM. This is by no means RAW, just one DM’s interpretation:
The action of throwing it into the air is the required trigger for the AoE. If a player at my table had their character attempt to consume something I knew to be [Tooltip Not Found], I would rule that not only would it work, if they failed their save I might even have them be poisoned until the end of their next Long Rest. I like Pentagruel666’s suggestion of disadvantage on the save too.
What if you ate the dust of sneezing and choking and then quickly drunk a bottle of water? Would it cancel out the dust and the dust wouldn't be able to choke you or make you sneeze?
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What if you ate [Tooltip Not Found] and then quickly drunk a bottle of water? Would it cancel out the dust and the dust wouldn't be able to choke you or make you sneeze?
I don’t know, that [Tooltip Not Found] is pretty dangerous stuff.
No. A creature only needs to be stabilized if they hit 0 HP. This powder does no damage.
If it causes the victim to be suffocating, they do drop to 0 hp and then can't stabilize until they recover from suffocating (though there doesn't seem to be any specific prohibition on making death saves, you just can't stabilize).
What if you ate [Tooltip Not Found] and then quickly drunk a bottle of water? Would it cancel out the dust and the dust wouldn't be able to choke you or make you sneeze?
I don’t know, that [Tooltip Not Found] is pretty dangerous stuff.
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Incidentally, Dust of Sneezing and Choking is actually hilariously deadly, because it sends you directly to Suffocating, bypassing the normal ability to hold your breath, and thus reduces you to 0 hp after (con modifier, minimum 1) rounds.
No. A creature only needs to be stabilized if they hit 0 HP. This powder does no damage.
If it causes the victim to be suffocating, they do drop to 0 hp and then can't stabilize until they recover from suffocating (though there doesn't seem to be any specific prohibition on making death saves, you just can't stabilize).
They have a guaranteed minimum of 6 saving throws (and up to a potential maximum of 66 saving throws) before that happens. And who do you know picks Con as a dump stat? The chances of not saving (even with disadvantage) before dying are exceedingly low.
Incidentally, Dust of Sneezing and Choking is actually hilariously deadly, because it sends you directly to Suffocating, bypassing the normal ability to hold your breath, and thus reduces you to 0 hp after (con modifier, minimum 1) rounds.
You’re right. I just rechecked the rules for suffocating and you’re absolutely right. I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time. Thank you for helping me learn.
With Con 12 and no proficiency, which is about as low as I see on PCs, 35% chance to save, or 12% with disadvantage. It takes I think two failed saves to drop to 0 hp (one to start choking, one to remain choking for a round). After that, the only difference is the chance of dying when you would otherwise have stabilized, which means you succeeded at 3+ death saves (or got at least one natural 20) and failed at least three times, so yes, doesn't matter very much in less than 8 rounds. With disadvantage, that could still be an issue (hm..actually, can't roll saves once unconscious).
Incidentally, Dust of Sneezing and Choking is actually hilariously deadly, because it sends you directly to Suffocating, bypassing the normal ability to hold your breath, and thus reduces you to 0 hp after (con modifier, minimum 1) rounds.
You’re right. I just rechecked the rules for suffocating and you’re absolutely right. I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time. Thank you for helping me learn.
With Con 12 and no proficiency, which is about as low as I see on PCs, 35% chance to save, or 12% with disadvantage. It takes I think two failed saves to drop to 0 hp (one to start choking, one to remain choking for a round). After that, the only difference is the chance of dying when you would otherwise have stabilized, which means you succeeded at 3+ death saves (or got at least one natural 20) and failed at least three times, so yes, doesn't matter very much in less than 8 rounds. With disadvantage, that could still be an issue (hm..actually, can't roll saves once unconscious).
Incidentally, Dust of Sneezing and Choking is actually hilariously deadly, because it sends you directly to Suffocating, bypassing the normal ability to hold your breath, and thus reduces you to 0 hp after (con modifier, minimum 1) rounds.
You’re right. I just rechecked the rules for suffocating and you’re absolutely right. I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time. Thank you for helping me learn.
This is the actual question: Lv3 PC mistakes powder for dip/chew tobacco and chews it. Fails the save to stop the powder, fails the save to not suffocate - goes to 0hp. Then it seems to be instant death (assuming the powder is still active once the PC is making saves) since they can't stabilize.
That's the reason for backing up one step and asking if (via RAW) it even should have started choking them (minus the trigger of throwing a handful in the air) or if eaten (and not breathed in)?
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Back when I started D&Ding in the ‘90s it felt like have the game could kill us with one failed saving throw. If a PC actually survived to 3rd level we would get optimistically cautious that they might mike it to 5th. This edition is different, less deadly in general.
But they basically ate a mouthful of powdered mustard gas.
If someone ate this, what would happen?
The description reads: When you use an action to throw a handful of the dust into the air, you and each creature that needs to breathe within 30 feet of you must succeed on a DC 15 Constitution saving throw or become unable to breathe, while sneezing uncontrollably. A creature affected in this way is incapacitated and suffocating. As long as it is conscious, a creature can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on it on a success. The lesser restoration spell can also end the effect on a creature.
A - Would it activate if eaten and not breathed in?
B - Would the magic even activate if not 'triggered' by 'throw a handful of the dust into the air'?
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I don’t know about RAW, but anyone who’s ever eaten a powdered doughnut can tell you how difficult it is to not breath in a powdered substance while you’re eating it.
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The pipes are connected, so I’d rule the same effect applies but just to the person that ate it...but it’s a grey area so others might rule differently
Fair - and yet we don't. So (RAW aside) once someone realized it was powder/powdered, would it be fair to assume they hold their breath until the mouth is cleared.
(And again - does it have a chance to activate if the trigger (thrown in the air) isn't used)
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I don’t know as to the RAW on that.
But I choke and cough a little every time I eat a powdered doughnut no matter what. And that isn’t even a magic powder designed to make me choke.
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There are lots of thing that the rules don't cover, on the assumption that they are not expected to be common enough to worry about. This is one of them. I would probably make it work normally and would consider giving the victim disadvantage on saves.
Having reread it a few times, here is my ruling as a DM. This is by no means RAW, just one DM’s interpretation:
The action of throwing it into the air is the required trigger for the AoE. If a player at my table had their character attempt to consume something I knew to be [Tooltip Not Found], I would rule that not only would it work, if they failed their save I might even have them be poisoned until the end of their next Long Rest. I like Pentagruel666’s suggestion of disadvantage on the save too.
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Serves the PC right for not double checking the chewing tobacco was actually tobacco.
Insert your best "tobacco kills" memes here ;)
Follow-up question - would this mean they were unable to stabilize due to the magical choking? So death with no death saves?
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No. A creature only needs to be stabilized if they hit 0 HP. This powder does no damage.
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What if you ate the dust of sneezing and choking and then quickly drunk a bottle of water? Would it cancel out the dust and the dust wouldn't be able to choke you or make you sneeze?
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I don’t know, that [Tooltip Not Found] is pretty dangerous stuff.
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If it causes the victim to be suffocating, they do drop to 0 hp and then can't stabilize until they recover from suffocating (though there doesn't seem to be any specific prohibition on making death saves, you just can't stabilize).
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Incidentally, Dust of Sneezing and Choking is actually hilariously deadly, because it sends you directly to Suffocating, bypassing the normal ability to hold your breath, and thus reduces you to 0 hp after (con modifier, minimum 1) rounds.
They have a guaranteed minimum of 6 saving throws (and up to a potential maximum of 66 saving throws) before that happens. And who do you know picks Con as a dump stat? The chances of not saving (even with disadvantage) before dying are exceedingly low.Never mind, I was wrong.
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You’re right. I just rechecked the rules for suffocating and you’re absolutely right. I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time. Thank you for helping me learn.
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With Con 12 and no proficiency, which is about as low as I see on PCs, 35% chance to save, or 12% with disadvantage. It takes I think two failed saves to drop to 0 hp (one to start choking, one to remain choking for a round). After that, the only difference is the chance of dying when you would otherwise have stabilized, which means you succeeded at 3+ death saves (or got at least one natural 20) and failed at least three times, so yes, doesn't matter very much in less than 8 rounds. With disadvantage, that could still be an issue (hm..actually, can't roll saves once unconscious).
I have no idea if it's meant to be that deadly.
That’s irrelevant. It is that deadly.
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This is the actual question: Lv3 PC mistakes powder for dip/chew tobacco and chews it. Fails the save to stop the powder, fails the save to not suffocate - goes to 0hp. Then it seems to be instant death (assuming the powder is still active once the PC is making saves) since they can't stabilize.
That's the reason for backing up one step and asking if (via RAW) it even should have started choking them (minus the trigger of throwing a handful in the air) or if eaten (and not breathed in)?
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Back when I started D&Ding in the ‘90s it felt like have the game could kill us with one failed saving throw. If a PC actually survived to 3rd level we would get optimistically cautious that they might mike it to 5th. This edition is different, less deadly in general.
But they basically ate a mouthful of powdered mustard gas.
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