Seems like if you want to become a lich your best bet would be playing a wizard who takes the school of necromancy. Becoming a lich requires years of study and work, no one as weak as a level 1 character could be a lich. Becoming a lich as an end goal for your character is definitely possible.
This is the second thread ( OK , looks like 4 :p ) you've thrown up in the forums asking about whether Liches are an allowable Character race - and the opinion in your first thread was pretty clearly "No, as a DM I wouldn't allow a Player to start as a Lich". Not sure why you needed to spin up another one.
However, our opinions don't matter.
If your DM is willing to let you play a Lich, on an Ancient Red Dragon, or a Dracolich- that's their call. If they're not willing to allow it, that's their call as well.
There's no such thing as objectively "legal" or "illegal", there's only what the DM will allow or disallow.
Pointing to the forums and claiming "well, these people seemed to think it was OK, so I should be allowed to do it" (although no one is saying it sounds OK, anyways) is irrelevant. It's her/his game, not ours.
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ok thx, and I started multiple threads to get the max amount of responses.
I would recommend not doing this in future as it counts as spamming which is against forum rules.
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When you create an account, there are terms of service, and forum rules posted all over. The honest answer is not "I didn't know" and is instead "I didn't bother to read the rules."
As a DM, if one of my players acted in this way, they would prove to me they couldn't handle the responsibility of playing such a powerful character in one of my games where one does not just flippantly roll up a lich and explore the world with the rest of the adventuring party.
I may, if requested by my players, have a sort of "battle royale" scenario where everyone just picks a monster to control and go at it, but this would only be done for gits and shiggles, would have no impact on the story and would get pretty boring pretty fast cause it's just a bunch of OP monsters duking it out with no stakes involved.
I am think you just want to play a powerful undead magic user. My first question would be what level are you playing? And what other classes are playing?
I couldn't resist the challenge of doing something about becoming a Lich.....
Feel free to use if you are a DM. If you are a player feel free to pass it to your DM and see if they can work something into the campaign if you want to try becoming a Lich, there are two options, the Tome Bound Lich based on the Magic the Gathering card of the same name and using feats (which i was thinking about early Sept) and one based on the Monster Manual Lich using rituals and spells and culminates with a final grand ritual when you reach level 18 as a spell caster.
Questions, comments, feedback etc welcome but please post them on that post to save bouncing between the two.
Simply put ...no...The Book of Vile Darkness is a incredibly powerful and sentient artifact, it would be a quest/campaign in and of itself to find it, you could have the book of vile darkness as your subject of study so the book it gives you as part of the equipment could be "A history of Necromancy, part 1" which give a veiled hint about the Book of Vile Darkness and you then go on a scavenger hunt seeking out clues and puzzles and dungeon delving to locate it but you won't be able to start of with it. But no amount of library access is going to let you start of with the Book of Vile Darkness and waltzing into a library asking for source material on it will likely get the librarians to politely ask you to leave the premises as as the books name implies it's an incredibly evil item.
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I would really, seriously, consider talking to your DM, Kafue. Wanting to be an immortal lich god with a Book of Vile Darkness from level 1 day 1 of a new campaign is...well, you can want it, but pushing for it is not okay unless the DM is running a very bizarre game indeed.
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Seems like if you want to become a lich your best bet would be playing a wizard who takes the school of necromancy. Becoming a lich requires years of study and work, no one as weak as a level 1 character could be a lich. Becoming a lich as an end goal for your character is definitely possible.
You have made 4 nearly identical threads about this in about a day. You aren’t going to learn anything new by doing this over and over
Whatever your DM agrees to is what you can do
Yes - ask your DM about it - not us.
This is the
second thread( OK , looks like 4 :p ) you've thrown up in the forums asking about whether Liches are an allowable Character race - and the opinion in your first thread was pretty clearly "No, as a DM I wouldn't allow a Player to start as a Lich". Not sure why you needed to spin up another one.However, our opinions don't matter.
If your DM is willing to let you play a Lich, on an Ancient Red Dragon, or a Dracolich- that's their call. If they're not willing to allow it, that's their call as well.
There's no such thing as objectively "legal" or "illegal", there's only what the DM will allow or disallow.
Pointing to the forums and claiming "well, these people seemed to think it was OK, so I should be allowed to do it" (although no one is saying it sounds OK, anyways) is irrelevant. It's her/his game, not ours.
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ok thx, and I started multiple threads to get the max amount of responses.
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
I would recommend not doing this in future as it counts as spamming which is against forum rules.
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ok thx i didn't know
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
When you create an account, there are terms of service, and forum rules posted all over. The honest answer is not "I didn't know" and is instead "I didn't bother to read the rules."
As a DM, if one of my players acted in this way, they would prove to me they couldn't handle the responsibility of playing such a powerful character in one of my games where one does not just flippantly roll up a lich and explore the world with the rest of the adventuring party.
I may, if requested by my players, have a sort of "battle royale" scenario where everyone just picks a monster to control and go at it, but this would only be done for gits and shiggles, would have no impact on the story and would get pretty boring pretty fast cause it's just a bunch of OP monsters duking it out with no stakes involved.
Let me clarify: I didn't know what I as doing was considered spamming
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
Let me clarify: It is in the rules you didn't bother to read.
k yea ur probably right :p
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
Hi there,
I've merged all your threads on this same topic together, to consolidate the discussion and help prevent you being penalized for spamming the forums.
Have fun with the liches! 😀
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I am think you just want to play a powerful undead magic user. My first question would be what level are you playing? And what other classes are playing?
Liches get stitches
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Morning/Afternoon/Evening folks...
I couldn't resist the challenge of doing something about becoming a Lich.....
Feel free to use if you are a DM. If you are a player feel free to pass it to your DM and see if they can work something into the campaign if you want to try becoming a Lich, there are two options, the Tome Bound Lich based on the Magic the Gathering card of the same name and using feats (which i was thinking about early Sept) and one based on the Monster Manual Lich using rituals and spells and culminates with a final grand ritual when you reach level 18 as a spell caster.
Questions, comments, feedback etc welcome but please post them on that post to save bouncing between the two.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/homebrew-house-rules/46304-tinkering-with-a-series-of-feats
New even weirder question: Using the Cloistered Scholar Background, SCAG page 146, could you get the Book of Vile Darkness? It doesn't specify.
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
Simply put ...no...The Book of Vile Darkness is a incredibly powerful and sentient artifact, it would be a quest/campaign in and of itself to find it, you could have the book of vile darkness as your subject of study so the book it gives you as part of the equipment could be "A history of Necromancy, part 1" which give a veiled hint about the Book of Vile Darkness and you then go on a scavenger hunt seeking out clues and puzzles and dungeon delving to locate it but you won't be able to start of with it. But no amount of library access is going to let you start of with the Book of Vile Darkness and waltzing into a library asking for source material on it will likely get the librarians to politely ask you to leave the premises as as the books name implies it's an incredibly evil item.
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D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
I would really, seriously, consider talking to your DM, Kafue. Wanting to be an immortal lich god with a Book of Vile Darkness from level 1 day 1 of a new campaign is...well, you can want it, but pushing for it is not okay unless the DM is running a very bizarre game indeed.
Please do not contact or message me.