Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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RAW, Plaguescarred is right for the reasons he's giving. RWinnie explained also how it works. Does it make sense or not in this specific case? Silence...
Anyway, I don't see this is an actual problem. Probably, it's an advantage for players.
I remember discussing the 5.5e rule for Potions in Using a bonus action as an action?
RWinnie's argument is not convincing. It may be RAI, but Goodberry does not tie healing to using a Bonus Action. The only requirement is that the berry is eaten. The ability to eat the berry as a Bonus Action creates no conflict with the ability to eat normally and therefore Specific beat General cannot be invoked.
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Are you still arguing that an unconscious person can eat a berry?
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I am saying that the healing is tied to eating a berry and not a particular action. Any way a creature can be made to eat a berry confers the healing. If anyone wants a RAW reason to allow the use of Goodberry to provide first aid to an unconscious creature, that is it.
Whether you allow it at your table makes no difference to me.
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Yeah, I read this reply you wrote. TBH, it could be a way of ruling it, but IMO, the two sentences are linked.
Personally I say yes. There’s a surprising amount of times that my party a) doesn’t have a lot of healing spells b) is out of potions or c) forgets to heal people as they fall unconscious. This feels like a good way to honour the player’s intentions. I think it makes sense.
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It seems pretty clear that you could eat it with a different action, though that's clearly the realm of DM rulings. But then, so is all other eating. Can you take a bite of ration with a utilize action? Sure, probably. Can you pop a blackberry (not goodberry) in your mouth as a bonus action? Sure, probably. Can you choose to eat a goodberry with a regular action? Sure, why not?
Thing is, the notion that you can feed anything to an unconscious person is an open question. There's an explicit rule about administering potions to other people (and potions are special magic), but some might view "force feed a solid to your dying friend" as unrealistic. Like, I know it's a trope, especially a gaming trope, to be able to do it, but there's no rule for or against it.
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I don't remember if the below exemples was reprinted in the 5.5E Player's Handbook, but drinking and eating was originally cited as doable in tandem with your movement and action.
However having to specifically take a Bonus Action to eat a Goodberry or drink a Potion of Healing means you can't do it with an action, or as a free item interaction during movement or action even if you normally can do similar thing.
So the statement of requiring a bonus action to consume a berry is in the rules just for funzies?
What kind of advantage are you trying to acquire by saying the type of action doesn't matter?
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It doesn't say a Bonus Action is required. It says it can be done as a Bonus Action. Whether it takes a Utilize Action to otherwise eat a berry or Short Rest, it is still an option.
As Plaguescarred posted, from 2014, shoving food in your mouth (which does not constitute eating) takes a utilize action. Thus, a single utilize action would not be sufficient if those guidelines still carry over.
As I already stated, anyone looking for a RAW method for using Goodberry for first aid can utilize the separate sentences to justify the ruling.
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Whenever a game feature say you can take a Bonus Action to do something, it requires a Bonus Action.
I'm not sure that the two questions are connected, since the rules for goodberry at no point (in either 2014 or 2024) state that it can be used to heal anyone other than the person taking the action, but feeding an unconscious person is certainly possible (if potentially tricky) in reality, and in D&D it plausibly fits under help (administer first aid), which is an action.
Think about it, if you could just use your free Item Interaction to eat a Goodberry or drink a Potion of Healing like you eat or drink anything else, why would you ever waste your Bonus Action to do so?! 😃
Circumventing Bonus Action to eat or drink as your Free Item Interaction and or action would means you could eat multiple Goodberry or drink multiple Potions on your turn;
While your DM makes a face as a Reaction to you bypassing the Bonus Action 1/turn limitation...
Why is Bonus Action specified? Shouldn't they have mentioned all the other types of actions also like you are saying?
You cannot use it as first aid.
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Worth noting that eating is not actually an option in that list, only putting the food in your mouth is.
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No one ever argued that.
A Harengon can Jump as a Bonus Action. That doesn't prevent them from jumping normally. Being able to eat as a Bonus Action does not prevent you from eating normally.
Most Bonus Actions are new activities that you could not otherwise do, such as teleporting via Misty Step. For those activities, you cannot substitute another action type for the Bonus Action.
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The Harengon's Rabbit Hop is a special jump exclusive to them. It is not a normal Jump. Just like Goodberry is a magical berry, not a normal one. The spells only do what they say they can do and it specifies that a BA can be used, not an Free Action, which does not exist in the 2024 rules, if I recall correctly.
With the Unconscious Condition, you are unaware of your surroundings. As in, no one can feed you a Goodberry because you would not be aware that it is there to eat in the first place. You also cannot take Actions and using the Magic Action falls into that category. Utilize Action would not be a qualifying Action because it is a magical object. Help would not work either and would be the Action most closely aligned with helping someone eat, but it is only able to be used for assisting with Ability Checks and Attack Rolls, neither of which are available to an Unconscious creature.
Plaguescarred's post is accurate that while someone else could put the berry in an Unconscious creature's mouth, the creature would still need to use their BA to consume it, which they cannot do because while Unconscious, a creature has the Incapacitated Condition.
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Yes, a Rabbit Hop can only be performed as a Bonus Action. That Bonus Action allows the Harengon to jump. This does not mean that the Harengon is now required to use a Bonus Action to jump.
The Spell says that eating a berry provides healing. It is not explicitly tied to the Bonus Action. You can make the argument that it is implied or that it is RAI that a Bonus Action is required and that's fine at your table.
For anyone who wants it to work per RAW, you can take the separation of the Bonus Action and the effect of eating the berry to rule that any eating of the berry (including being fed a berry) provides the healing.
If you are counting on this tactic, talk to your DM.
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