This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
they already harm humans by letting us generate brainrot. (I don"t do it!!!)
Why are you criticizing AI if you're using it for a PFP? I do agree with you all that it sucks tho.
My PFP or AI? If its about the PFP, can you by chance help me or do you have ideas for a new one?
Oh wait I thought you were a different person mb
I'm not much of an art guy so can't help you much, but Moon suggested Dark Souls art so I'd look into that. If you're at a loss for art to use you could just do a meme image too. If you have a favorite game or show or movie you could do a character from that? Those are some of the first things that come to my mind.
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Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
they already harm humans by letting us generate brainrot. (I don"t do it!!!)
Why are you criticizing AI if you're using it for a PFP? I do agree with you all that it sucks tho.
My PFP or AI? If its about the PFP, can you by chance help me or do you have ideas for a new one?
Oh wait I thought you were a different person mb
I'm not much of an art guy so can't help you much, but Moon suggested Dark Souls art so I'd look into that. If you're at a loss for art to use you could just do a meme image too. If you have a favorite game or show or movie you could do a character from that? Those are some of the first things that come to my mind.
Thanks for the help.
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I have wrestled Hellhounds and I have slain dragons, but that one kobold killed me with a dagger!! A DAGGER!!!!
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
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Yo, I’m Himy, He/Him. I enjoy reading books, understanding why and how things work, anime/manga, video games and obviously, TTRPGS. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I like to think Im close. I’m good at trivia, history and science
I struggle with empathy. If you’re not sure what I mean by that, it basically means it’s hard for me to understand the mental state of others and respond with the right emotions
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
I completely agree but just read the second book of mortal engines or the clone wars
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I have wrestled Hellhounds and I have slain dragons, but that one kobold killed me with a dagger!! A DAGGER!!!!
Monster concept: a Pygmy Bear that is in a near perpetual state of sleep, but with a psionic ability are able to create an incorporeal Giant Bear construct when slumbering.
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
I mean I think they're already making physical bodies for some robots (Tesla and Boston Dynamics I think?) I do agree on the other points tho.
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Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
I mean I think they're already making physical bodies for some robots (Tesla and Boston Dynamics I think?) I do agree on the other points tho.
I think people scared of ai taking over aren’t really noticing the much more likely scenario where we become to reliant on it, like a wall e situation
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Hello, I’m The mighty Dragon bard!
Music nerd, bookworm, dragon lover and avid shoe wearer. I also like drawing and playing guitar.
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
I mean I think they're already making physical bodies for some robots (Tesla and Boston Dynamics I think?) I do agree on the other points tho.
I think people scared of ai taking over aren’t really noticing the much more likely scenario where we become to reliant on it, like a wall e situation
True, and of course there's already AI trying to replace jobs and art and stuff
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
I mean I think they're already making physical bodies for some robots (Tesla and Boston Dynamics I think?) I do agree on the other points tho.
I think people scared of ai taking over aren’t really noticing the much more likely scenario where we become to reliant on it, like a wall e situation
True, and of course there's already AI trying to replace jobs and art and stuff
Yep. We rule tec and then tec rules us
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Hello, I’m The mighty Dragon bard!
Music nerd, bookworm, dragon lover and avid shoe wearer. I also like drawing and playing guitar.
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
Yes, but the stuff AI is trained on is flawed. Technically there is a lot of bias in AI. If the people that its trained on hate others and might want to harm them, then AI could very well act on that
I don't disagree with you necessarily though, I'm just saying
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
Yes, but the stuff AI is trained on is flawed. Technically there is a lot of bias in AI. If the people that its trained on hate others and might want to harm them, then AI could very well act on that
I don't disagree with you necessarily though, I'm just saying
For that to be the case, the person who trained the AI would have to be a bad person, and in that case, that’s just on us
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Yo, I’m Himy, He/Him. I enjoy reading books, understanding why and how things work, anime/manga, video games and obviously, TTRPGS. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I like to think Im close. I’m good at trivia, history and science
I struggle with empathy. If you’re not sure what I mean by that, it basically means it’s hard for me to understand the mental state of others and respond with the right emotions
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Somewhat unrelated, but I never really understood people who think AI will kill us all. It’s very avoidable and difficult to do on accident
I mean, yeah, I don't believe that AI is just gonna one day be like, "lets just murder every human." and then succeed at it, but the risks of AI deliberately trying to harm humans isn't that unrealistic. And on a small scale I'm sure there could be some success
Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
Yes, but the stuff AI is trained on is flawed. Technically there is a lot of bias in AI. If the people that its trained on hate others and might want to harm them, then AI could very well act on that
I don't disagree with you necessarily though, I'm just saying
For that to be the case, the person who trained the AI would have to be a bad person, and in that case, that’s just on us
So I CAN MAKE AI TAKE OVER THE WORLD????? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! *choke* *cough, cough* *Inhales deeply* Ok I'm all good now. ---AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
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I have wrestled Hellhounds and I have slain dragons, but that one kobold killed me with a dagger!! A DAGGER!!!!
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Kills the environment
Sure, AI is terrible for the environment, especially if you ignore all the other elements that impact it. The truth is *Data Centers* are bad for the environment, and AI Data Centers make up a very small percentage of the overall number. Plus, while AI usage is increasing, Power demand is decreasing, All of the claims that AI is going to drain the worlds water away are based on increasing usage WITHOUT compensating for decreased power demand, and it also ignores the fact that the majority of water used is recycled. It's no worse for the environment than watching Youtube or Tiktok videos. Claiming that AI is killing the environment while ignoring the things that are ACTUALLY doing so is literally the same as claiming plastic straws are killing the turtles, and not all the other industrial level environmental problems.
Very Unethical
Very matter of opinion. I'm sure your claim that it's "unethical" stems from "AI is theft". Theft requires loss. Training AI on existing art doesn't result in any loss. Nor is the absurd claim that it steals pixels and recreates art using those stolen pixels. That's just not how it works. And there's the idea that AI art is unethical because "it's not real art", based on the fact that that it's created with the push of a button. Technically, you can say the same about any photograph - are you going to claim photographers aren't artists? The claim that it's not "art" has been made every time a new way to create art has come on the scene. In 20 years, AI will be the norm, and everyone will be complaining about some new method that's "unethical"
Infringes on Copyright Laws
It doesn't. If it did, they wouldn't be trying to rewrite copyright laws to better define AIs place in the matter. Currently, AI is undefined as far as copyright is concerned. The whole "AI was trained on data without the users permission" has failed in courts over and over again. Currently, Disney is suing midjourney in a case that MIGHT succeed, but the details of that are that people are using Midjourney to create exact copies of their IP. Yes, creating an image of Darth Vader using AI does, in fact, infringe on Copyright laws, But then, creating an image of Darth Vader using Photoshop also infringes on Copyright laws, for the same reason. That doesn't mean *photoshop* infringes on Copyright simply for existing. (There's actually some additional aspects of that case that make it very interesting, can't wait to see how it plays out.)
May evolve to eventually try to kill humans
Heh, sure. And the sun may expand to eventually swallow the earth. Better to stop using solar power now! This one is the one that made me decide to reply, because the whole "it might eventually evolve and kill everyone!!" gives me the same feeling as "Women can't be in charge of countries, they might kill everyone in a fit of PMS!" You know who's killing humans right now, no evolution needed? That's right - other humans. Guess that's a great reason to not use Human artists.
Among other problems
Not really. The simple fact of the matter is that the "problems" that people contribute to AI is overblown because they're afraid of new technology. It's funny, when the Matrix came out, part of the prequel showed people attacking AI and robots out of fear and hatred, because Automation was disrupting society. A lot of people laughed at that, claiming it would never happen like that - people would be happy when robots were doing all the work! Yet, here we are, living out the beginnings of the Animatrix. Yes, AI is going to change things, just like the Industrial revolution changed things in the 1900s, and just like the digital revolution and the Internet changed things in the 80s and 90s. Eventually, people will accept it and appreciate the changes - and hopefully will make things better along the way.
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Kills the environment
Sure, AI is terrible for the environment, especially if you ignore all the other elements that impact it. The truth is *Data Centers* are bad for the environment, and AI Data Centers make up a very small percentage of the overall number. Plus, while AI usage is increasing, Power demand is decreasing, All of the claims that AI is going to drain the worlds water away are based on increasing usage WITHOUT compensating for decreased power demand, and it also ignores the fact that the majority of water used is recycled. It's no worse for the environment than watching Youtube or Tiktok videos. Claiming that AI is killing the environment while ignoring the things that are ACTUALLY doing so is literally the same as claiming plastic straws are killing the turtles, and not all the other industrial level environmental problems.
Very Unethical
Very matter of opinion. I'm sure your claim that it's "unethical" stems from "AI is theft". Theft requires loss. Training AI on existing art doesn't result in any loss. Nor is the absurd claim that it steals pixels and recreates art using those stolen pixels. That's just not how it works. And there's the idea that AI art is unethical because "it's not real art", based on the fact that that it's created with the push of a button. Technically, you can say the same about any photograph - are you going to claim photographers aren't artists? The claim that it's not "art" has been made every time a new way to create art has come on the scene. In 20 years, AI will be the norm, and everyone will be complaining about some new method that's "unethical"
Infringes on Copyright Laws
It doesn't. If it did, they wouldn't be trying to rewrite copyright laws to better define AIs place in the matter. Currently, AI is undefined as far as copyright is concerned. The whole "AI was trained on data without the users permission" has failed in courts over and over again. Currently, Disney is suing midjourney in a case that MIGHT succeed, but the details of that are that people are using Midjourney to create exact copies of their IP. Yes, creating an image of Darth Vader using AI does, in fact, infringe on Copyright laws, But then, creating an image of Darth Vader using Photoshop also infringes on Copyright laws, for the same reason. That doesn't mean *photoshop* infringes on Copyright simply for existing. (There's actually some additional aspects of that case that make it very interesting, can't wait to see how it plays out.)
May evolve to eventually try to kill humans
Heh, sure. And the sun may expand to eventually swallow the earth. Better to stop using solar power now! This one is the one that made me decide to reply, because the whole "it might eventually evolve and kill everyone!!" gives me the same feeling as "Women can't be in charge of countries, they might kill everyone in a fit of PMS!" You know who's killing humans right now, no evolution needed? That's right - other humans. Guess that's a great reason to not use Human artists.
Among other problems
Not really. The simple fact of the matter is that the "problems" that people contribute to AI is overblown because they're afraid of new technology. It's funny, when the Matrix came out, part of the prequel showed people attacking AI and robots out of fear and hatred, because Automation was disrupting society. A lot of people laughed at that, claiming it would never happen like that - people would be happy when robots were doing all the work! Yet, here we are, living out the beginnings of the Animatrix. Yes, AI is going to change things, just like the Industrial revolution changed things in the 1900s, and just like the digital revolution and the Internet changed things in the 80s and 90s. Eventually, people will accept it and appreciate the changes - and hopefully will make things better along the way.
This is exactly the reason I tried for years (successfully) to convince my friends that AI isn't the problem.
This thing might never end. Might as well give me the chicken.
Man, don't use AI profile pictures. That might be human art, I apologize if it is, but several things don't make a whole lot of sense, and the general way it looks is very AI like
I don't want to just yell at anyone who uses AI because thats rude, but there are many negative effects of using AI
(Kills the enviroment, very unethical, infringes on copyright laws, may evolve to eventually try to kill humans, among other problems)
Kills the environment
Sure, AI is terrible for the environment, especially if you ignore all the other elements that impact it. The truth is *Data Centers* are bad for the environment, and AI Data Centers make up a very small percentage of the overall number. Plus, while AI usage is increasing, Power demand is decreasing, All of the claims that AI is going to drain the worlds water away are based on increasing usage WITHOUT compensating for decreased power demand, and it also ignores the fact that the majority of water used is recycled. It's no worse for the environment than watching Youtube or Tiktok videos. Claiming that AI is killing the environment while ignoring the things that are ACTUALLY doing so is literally the same as claiming plastic straws are killing the turtles, and not all the other industrial level environmental problems.
Very Unethical
Very matter of opinion. I'm sure your claim that it's "unethical" stems from "AI is theft". Theft requires loss. Training AI on existing art doesn't result in any loss. Nor is the absurd claim that it steals pixels and recreates art using those stolen pixels. That's just not how it works. And there's the idea that AI art is unethical because "it's not real art", based on the fact that that it's created with the push of a button. Technically, you can say the same about any photograph - are you going to claim photographers aren't artists? The claim that it's not "art" has been made every time a new way to create art has come on the scene. In 20 years, AI will be the norm, and everyone will be complaining about some new method that's "unethical"
Infringes on Copyright Laws
It doesn't. If it did, they wouldn't be trying to rewrite copyright laws to better define AIs place in the matter. Currently, AI is undefined as far as copyright is concerned. The whole "AI was trained on data without the users permission" has failed in courts over and over again. Currently, Disney is suing midjourney in a case that MIGHT succeed, but the details of that are that people are using Midjourney to create exact copies of their IP. Yes, creating an image of Darth Vader using AI does, in fact, infringe on Copyright laws, But then, creating an image of Darth Vader using Photoshop also infringes on Copyright laws, for the same reason. That doesn't mean *photoshop* infringes on Copyright simply for existing. (There's actually some additional aspects of that case that make it very interesting, can't wait to see how it plays out.)
May evolve to eventually try to kill humans
Heh, sure. And the sun may expand to eventually swallow the earth. Better to stop using solar power now! This one is the one that made me decide to reply, because the whole "it might eventually evolve and kill everyone!!" gives me the same feeling as "Women can't be in charge of countries, they might kill everyone in a fit of PMS!" You know who's killing humans right now, no evolution needed? That's right - other humans. Guess that's a great reason to not use Human artists.
Among other problems
Not really. The simple fact of the matter is that the "problems" that people contribute to AI is overblown because they're afraid of new technology. It's funny, when the Matrix came out, part of the prequel showed people attacking AI and robots out of fear and hatred, because Automation was disrupting society. A lot of people laughed at that, claiming it would never happen like that - people would be happy when robots were doing all the work! Yet, here we are, living out the beginnings of the Animatrix. Yes, AI is going to change things, just like the Industrial revolution changed things in the 1900s, and just like the digital revolution and the Internet changed things in the 80s and 90s. Eventually, people will accept it and appreciate the changes - and hopefully will make things better along the way.
First off: Wow, the man who started it all. I didn’t even think you were still on here
Second: People say AI is unethical because it’s plagiarism and while technically not a crime, it is undeniably morally wrong. It also puts lots of people out of their jobs, which sounds pretty unethical to me. I wouldn’t say Im against the usage of AI per se, but I am not a fan of putting creative people out of work with uncreative work
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Yeah, I agree, I would say I'm against AI and I doubt I'd use an AI art generator these days. I'll admit I often have an AI profile picture (the Flint and Cato ones, not the current one) though, but I certainly wouldn't make myself a new AI one now I am more informed about the downsides of AI. It's more like 'yeah it sucks that I used to do that, but I might as well utilise what I'd got the machine to make'.
Oh wait I thought you were a different person mb
I'm not much of an art guy so can't help you much, but Moon suggested Dark Souls art so I'd look into that. If you're at a loss for art to use you could just do a meme image too. If you have a favorite game or show or movie you could do a character from that? Those are some of the first things that come to my mind.
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Actually, it is pretty unrealistic. In order for an AI to deliberately harm a human being it must 1. Have the necessary means to do so (a body, or at least some way to meaningfully interact with the physical world) and 2. True free will. The absolute ability to form thoughts completely on its own. Take a look at ChatGPT. It will tell you false information if it makes you happy, and can be gaslight to believe 1+1=3. It also can’t really grow on its own, so the odds of it forming a chain of thought that ends up with: kill humans are pretty low.
Of course, let’s assume that they are sentient enough to form their own complete thoughts. Chances are, there would be some kind of blocker to stop it from reaching such a point. Think of something like the 3 Laws of Robotics, or just a program that terminates the current process if it would lead to a human being harmed
Of course this is all just speculation, and I could be completely wrong come 2093 as the androids rise against us
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I completely agree but just read the second book of mortal engines or the clone wars
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I read that 3 times as Domenic creatures and was starting to think I guessed correctly and it had been named already.
That aside, I wouldn't be surprised if you were right.
Could also be Barley the Burr. Either way, it'd be some kind of furry bard.
I mean I think they're already making physical bodies for some robots (Tesla and Boston Dynamics I think?) I do agree on the other points tho.
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I think people scared of ai taking over aren’t really noticing the much more likely scenario where we become to reliant on it, like a wall e situation
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True, and of course there's already AI trying to replace jobs and art and stuff
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Yep. We rule tec and then tec rules us
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Yes, but the stuff AI is trained on is flawed. Technically there is a lot of bias in AI. If the people that its trained on hate others and might want to harm them, then AI could very well act on that
I don't disagree with you necessarily though, I'm just saying
forgot about a simple twist of fate
For that to be the case, the person who trained the AI would have to be a bad person, and in that case, that’s just on us
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So I CAN MAKE AI TAKE OVER THE WORLD????? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! *choke* *cough, cough* *Inhales deeply* Ok I'm all good now. ---AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
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Sure, AI is terrible for the environment, especially if you ignore all the other elements that impact it. The truth is *Data Centers* are bad for the environment, and AI Data Centers make up a very small percentage of the overall number. Plus, while AI usage is increasing, Power demand is decreasing, All of the claims that AI is going to drain the worlds water away are based on increasing usage WITHOUT compensating for decreased power demand, and it also ignores the fact that the majority of water used is recycled. It's no worse for the environment than watching Youtube or Tiktok videos. Claiming that AI is killing the environment while ignoring the things that are ACTUALLY doing so is literally the same as claiming plastic straws are killing the turtles, and not all the other industrial level environmental problems.
Very matter of opinion. I'm sure your claim that it's "unethical" stems from "AI is theft". Theft requires loss. Training AI on existing art doesn't result in any loss. Nor is the absurd claim that it steals pixels and recreates art using those stolen pixels. That's just not how it works. And there's the idea that AI art is unethical because "it's not real art", based on the fact that that it's created with the push of a button. Technically, you can say the same about any photograph - are you going to claim photographers aren't artists? The claim that it's not "art" has been made every time a new way to create art has come on the scene. In 20 years, AI will be the norm, and everyone will be complaining about some new method that's "unethical"
It doesn't. If it did, they wouldn't be trying to rewrite copyright laws to better define AIs place in the matter. Currently, AI is undefined as far as copyright is concerned. The whole "AI was trained on data without the users permission" has failed in courts over and over again. Currently, Disney is suing midjourney in a case that MIGHT succeed, but the details of that are that people are using Midjourney to create exact copies of their IP. Yes, creating an image of Darth Vader using AI does, in fact, infringe on Copyright laws, But then, creating an image of Darth Vader using Photoshop also infringes on Copyright laws, for the same reason. That doesn't mean *photoshop* infringes on Copyright simply for existing. (There's actually some additional aspects of that case that make it very interesting, can't wait to see how it plays out.)
Heh, sure. And the sun may expand to eventually swallow the earth. Better to stop using solar power now! This one is the one that made me decide to reply, because the whole "it might eventually evolve and kill everyone!!" gives me the same feeling as "Women can't be in charge of countries, they might kill everyone in a fit of PMS!" You know who's killing humans right now, no evolution needed? That's right - other humans. Guess that's a great reason to not use Human artists.
Not really. The simple fact of the matter is that the "problems" that people contribute to AI is overblown because they're afraid of new technology. It's funny, when the Matrix came out, part of the prequel showed people attacking AI and robots out of fear and hatred, because Automation was disrupting society. A lot of people laughed at that, claiming it would never happen like that - people would be happy when robots were doing all the work! Yet, here we are, living out the beginnings of the Animatrix. Yes, AI is going to change things, just like the Industrial revolution changed things in the 1900s, and just like the digital revolution and the Internet changed things in the 80s and 90s. Eventually, people will accept it and appreciate the changes - and hopefully will make things better along the way.
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This is exactly the reason I tried for years (successfully) to convince my friends that AI isn't the problem.
First off: Wow, the man who started it all. I didn’t even think you were still on here
Second: People say AI is unethical because it’s plagiarism and while technically not a crime, it is undeniably morally wrong. It also puts lots of people out of their jobs, which sounds pretty unethical to me. I wouldn’t say Im against the usage of AI per se, but I am not a fan of putting creative people out of work with uncreative work
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I struggle with empathy. If you’re not sure what I mean by that, it basically means it’s hard for me to understand the mental state of others and respond with the right emotions
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Yeah, I agree, I would say I'm against AI and I doubt I'd use an AI art generator these days. I'll admit I often have an AI profile picture (the Flint and Cato ones, not the current one) though, but I certainly wouldn't make myself a new AI one now I am more informed about the downsides of AI. It's more like 'yeah it sucks that I used to do that, but I might as well utilise what I'd got the machine to make'.
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