I know it had been in a couple of video games (Dark Alliance 2), but why not a subclass for barbarian, or fighter, which can wield melee weapons with 'two-handed' property with one-hand, possibly excluding weapons with the 'reach' property.
For those, who will now show shout 'overpowered' or 'broken', imho it's is quite a long way to a Valour Bard (with a certain build), or a Moon Druid right now, so why not imagining?
Since the Dual Wielder feat as well as the Two-Weapon Fighting style only work with weapons, which have the 'light' property, this should be covered by subclass feats, probably at 3rd and 7th level. The lvl 10 subclass feat should have defensive function, while the level 15 capstone might be an innate 'nick' mastery altered to fit heavy weapons.
It feels more like a feat to me than something to build a whole subclass around.
Actually I disagree. Dual wielding 2 handed weapons as a feat, can get broken, but as a subclass, this is all it does, so I can assume you can better balance it. Maybe even prevent fighter feats to limit getting even more powerful and to limit dips via multiclass.
e.g. at 3rd Lvl Can not not access the upcoming 4th level ASI/Feat. Can only the 6th level fighter ASI/Feat.
I really doubt they're gonna make features that change up class feature progression like that. The model has been very consistently "you gain X feature/option or Y existing feature is buffed or otherwise positively modified". I doubt they'd make a feature that then hamstrings a separate feature.
It feels more like a feat to me than something to build a whole subclass around.
Actually I disagree. Dual wielding 2 handed weapons as a feat, can get broken, but as a subclass, this is all it does, so I can assume you can better balance it. Maybe even prevent fighter feats to limit getting even more powerful and to limit dips via multiclass.
e.g. at 3rd Lvl Can not not access the upcoming 4th level ASI/Feat. Can only the 6th level fighter ASI/Feat.
Dual wielder feat already has language that would stop you from doing this.
Basically we’d be talking about sword and board going from a d8 damage to a d12 or 2d6. Average damage would go from 4.5 to 6.5 or 7. Doesn’t really seem game breaking to me. Unless I’m missing something.
It feels more like a feat to me than something to build a whole subclass around.
Actually I disagree. Dual wielding 2 handed weapons as a feat, can get broken, but as a subclass, this is all it does, so I can assume you can better balance it. Maybe even prevent fighter feats to limit getting even more powerful and to limit dips via multiclass.
e.g. at 3rd Lvl Can not not access the upcoming 4th level ASI/Feat. Can only the 6th level fighter ASI/Feat.
Dual wielder feat already has language that would stop you from doing this.
Basically we’d be talking about sword and board going from a d8 damage to a d12 or 2d6. Average damage would go from 4.5 to 6.5 or 7. Doesn’t really seem game breaking to me. Unless I’m missing something.
You are missing GWM while not giving up the AC bonus provided by a shield. Nothing is gamebreaking, but this build would be objectively better than others.
It feels more like a feat to me than something to build a whole subclass around.
Actually I disagree. Dual wielding 2 handed weapons as a feat, can get broken, but as a subclass, this is all it does, so I can assume you can better balance it. Maybe even prevent fighter feats to limit getting even more powerful and to limit dips via multiclass.
e.g. at 3rd Lvl Can not not access the upcoming 4th level ASI/Feat. Can only the 6th level fighter ASI/Feat.
Dual wielder feat already has language that would stop you from doing this.
Basically we’d be talking about sword and board going from a d8 damage to a d12 or 2d6. Average damage would go from 4.5 to 6.5 or 7. Doesn’t really seem game breaking to me. Unless I’m missing something.
You are missing GWM while not giving up the AC bonus provided by a shield. Nothing is gamebreaking, but this build would be objectively better than others.
Ahhh. Yes at that point it would be better than sword at board or 2-handed (except reach weapons, which the OP was excluding). And you could add in dueling fighting style to really pile on some damage. Though we’re also talking about 2 feats to pull that off, and potentially a fighting style. That’s a pretty big investment. And in exchange you add like 6 damage per attack, up to 10 or 12 something. Still doesn’t seem like a subclass. But as a feat it would be the obvious choice for a sword-and-board — if they’re trying to maximize damage and don’t have other priorities.
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I know it had been in a couple of video games (Dark Alliance 2), but why not a subclass for barbarian, or fighter, which can wield melee weapons with 'two-handed' property with one-hand, possibly excluding weapons with the 'reach' property.
For those, who will now show shout 'overpowered' or 'broken', imho it's is quite a long way to a Valour Bard (with a certain build), or a Moon Druid right now, so why not imagining?
Since the Dual Wielder feat as well as the Two-Weapon Fighting style only work with weapons, which have the 'light' property, this should be covered by subclass feats, probably at 3rd and 7th level. The lvl 10 subclass feat should have defensive function, while the level 15 capstone might be an innate 'nick' mastery altered to fit heavy weapons.
It feels more like a feat to me than something to build a whole subclass around.
Actually I disagree. Dual wielding 2 handed weapons as a feat, can get broken, but as a subclass, this is all it does, so I can assume you can better balance it. Maybe even prevent fighter feats to limit getting even more powerful and to limit dips via multiclass.
e.g. at 3rd Lvl Can not not access the upcoming 4th level ASI/Feat. Can only the 6th level fighter ASI/Feat.
I really doubt they're gonna make features that change up class feature progression like that. The model has been very consistently "you gain X feature/option or Y existing feature is buffed or otherwise positively modified". I doubt they'd make a feature that then hamstrings a separate feature.
Dual wielder feat already has language that would stop you from doing this.
Basically we’d be talking about sword and board going from a d8 damage to a d12 or 2d6. Average damage would go from 4.5 to 6.5 or 7. Doesn’t really seem game breaking to me. Unless I’m missing something.
You are missing GWM while not giving up the AC bonus provided by a shield. Nothing is gamebreaking, but this build would be objectively better than others.
Ahhh. Yes at that point it would be better than sword at board or 2-handed (except reach weapons, which the OP was excluding). And you could add in dueling fighting style to really pile on some damage. Though we’re also talking about 2 feats to pull that off, and potentially a fighting style. That’s a pretty big investment. And in exchange you add like 6 damage per attack, up to 10 or 12 something. Still doesn’t seem like a subclass. But as a feat it would be the obvious choice for a sword-and-board — if they’re trying to maximize damage and don’t have other priorities.