From a storytelling perspective a normal wizard should always be smarter than a normal fighter, from a mechanics persepctive the wizards versitility trumps the fighters, from what i can see the fighter needs to hit the wizard which won't work if he contigency leomuds tiny hut or something similer.
in a fair fight im strongly on team wizard, if the fighter gets a surprise round and wins initive than i can see them one shoting a sqishy wizard
Assuming both have time to prepare the Wizard would almost always win, unless the Fighter can kill the wizard before the wizard acts. Essentially the Wizard needs to stay alive long enough to use Power Word Kill. So the Wizard probably needs a scroll or two.
Depends. The fighter gets at least 8 attacks and possibly a bonus action. Which means depending on the magic equipment held by the fighter, the fighter could potentially drop the wizard round one.
All that still depends on the wizard being optimized for the combat (i.e. high dex or proficiency in armor) and the Fighter not going first. If the fighter wins initiative, then it may go to the fighter depending on the circumstances. If the fighter loses initiative, then yeah its all wizard.
Of course, a warlock with eldritch blast and the right Invocations can kill practically anything that needs to get close to attack. That same warlock also stands a pretty good chance against any other spellcaster.
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The fighter can break Shapechange just by hitting the wizard. Longbows have 150 foot normal range.
Forcecage can trap the fighter, but the wizard can't do anything to the fighter if they choose the box, and the fighter can shoot through the cage (and will shoot on the turn the wizard cast the spell.) Reverse Gravity doesn't help much for the same reason.
I'm not sure Meteor Swarm is actually meant to damage worn equipment. Edit: It's not
Prismatic Wall is probably the best bet since the fighter will come out of it blinded.
The fighter can break Shapechange just by hitting the wizard. Longbows have 150 foot normal range.
Forcecage can trap the fighter, but the wizard can't do anything to the fighter if they choose the box, and the fighter can shoot through the cage (and will shoot on the turn the wizard cast the spell.) Reverse Gravity doesn't help much for the same reason.
I'm not sure Meteor Swarm is actually meant to damage worn equipment. Edit: It's not
Prismatic Wall is probably the best bet since the fighter will come out of it blinded.
Okay, you're right; it's important to distinguish between a Str-based fighter with feats, a Dex-based fighter with feats, and a fighter with max Str and Dex.
I think this is one of those cases where the rules lean much more on natural language than logic. True Polymorph is does the same thing; says "nonmagical object" once at the very top, and never mentions it again. But it's very obviously not meant to be able to create magical objects, because not even Wish can do that.
I didn't think that was RAI because it'd allow breaking magic items that are still being held. That's super dumb and Jeremy's stated it shouldn't be possible for your magic items to be inadvertently broken.
I think this is one of those cases where the rules lean much more on natural language than logic. True Polymorph is does the same thing; says "nonmagical object" once at the very top, and never mentions it again. But it's very obviously not meant to be able to create magical objects, because not even Wish can do that.
I didn't think that was RAI because it'd allow breaking magic items that are still being held. That's super dumb and Jeremy's stated it shouldn't be possible for your magic items to be inadvertently broken.
When did I mention magic items?
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This is very possible. The Wizard does not have as much health as a fighter. But, wizards can raise their armor class using Mage Armor or even the devastating the Fireball could easily be a big loss for the fighter. To be honest with you, the Wizard might have the advantage. The Fighter usually has heavy armor, making disadvantages on stealth rolls and even movement. If your fighter has light armor, you might have a chance.
I think this is one of those cases where the rules lean much more on natural language than logic. True Polymorph is does the same thing; says "nonmagical object" once at the very top, and never mentions it again. But it's very obviously not meant to be able to create magical objects, because not even Wish can do that.
I didn't think that was RAI because it'd allow breaking magic items that are still being held. That's super dumb and Jeremy's stated it shouldn't be possible for your magic items to be inadvertently broken.
When did I mention magic items?
You didn't. I was just explaining how I knew that damaging worn equipment couldn't be RAI for Meteor Swarm.
I think this is one of those cases where the rules lean much more on natural language than logic. True Polymorph is does the same thing; says "nonmagical object" once at the very top, and never mentions it again. But it's very obviously not meant to be able to create magical objects, because not even Wish can do that.
I didn't think that was RAI because it'd allow breaking magic items that are still being held. That's super dumb and Jeremy's stated it shouldn't be possible for your magic items to be inadvertently broken.
When did I mention magic items?
You didn't. I was just explaining how I knew that damaging worn equipment couldn't be RAI for Meteor Swarm.
Okay. You're arguing that, RAI, meteor swarm doesn't deal 40d6 damage to worn and carried items because the guy who makes the rules says that it doesn't. I'm not going to dispute that.
I'm arguing that, RAW, meteor swarmdoes deal 40d6 damage to worn and carried items because it doesn't say that it doesn't and every other spell that could does say that it doesn't.
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I'm arguing that, RAW, meteor swarmdoes deal 40d6 damage to worn and carried items because it doesn't say that it doesn't and every other spell that could does say that it doesn't.
meteor swarm has the same phrasing as fireball does regarding worn and carried items (specifically "ignites flammable objects that aren't being worn or carried"), though I suppose the explicit stating of "damages objects in the area" which is actually unnecessary because it doesn't contradict the general rule that spells can damage objects (except for when their target choosing specifies creatures) could be causing some confusion.
For examples of spells that don't say they don't deal damage to worn and carried items, but that could, I present these: acid arrow, aganazzar's scorcher.
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From a storytelling perspective a normal wizard should always be smarter than a normal fighter, from a mechanics persepctive the wizards versitility trumps the fighters, from what i can see the fighter needs to hit the wizard which won't work if he contigency leomuds tiny hut or something similer.
in a fair fight im strongly on team wizard, if the fighter gets a surprise round and wins initive than i can see them one shoting a sqishy wizard
Assuming both have time to prepare the Wizard would almost always win, unless the Fighter can kill the wizard before the wizard acts. Essentially the Wizard needs to stay alive long enough to use Power Word Kill. So the Wizard probably needs a scroll or two.
I think a sorcerer could take them both though.
20th level Wizard ends it in a turn.
Shapechange into a pit fiend and out-fighter the fighter--or into an ancient white dragon or ancient brass dragon and strafe him for the duration. Prismatic wall and snipe from the other side. Meteor swarm does 40d6, Dex save for half, to the fighter and his gear. Forcecage is pretty much game over for the fighter. Reverse gravity and snipe. Wish. If the wizard doesn't have any of those prepared, though, he's in trouble.
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All that still depends on the wizard being optimized for the combat (i.e. high dex or proficiency in armor) and the Fighter not going first. If the fighter wins initiative, then it may go to the fighter depending on the circumstances. If the fighter loses initiative, then yeah its all wizard.
Of course, a warlock with eldritch blast and the right Invocations can kill practically anything that needs to get close to attack. That same warlock also stands a pretty good chance against any other spellcaster.
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If the fighter has a ring of 3 wishes, they can wish for an anti-magic field. That would screw over the wizard.
Disclaimer: Some common sense may have been applied to that rewriting, specifically in the repetition of the phrase in the area.
Clearly, the spell damages objects regardless of whether or not those objects are being worn or carried.
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I think this is one of those cases where the rules lean much more on natural language than logic. True Polymorph is does the same thing; says "nonmagical object" once at the very top, and never mentions it again. But it's very obviously not meant to be able to create magical objects, because not even Wish can do that.
I didn't think that was RAI because it'd allow breaking magic items that are still being held. That's super dumb and Jeremy's stated it shouldn't be possible for your magic items to be inadvertently broken.
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This is very possible. The Wizard does not have as much health as a fighter. But, wizards can raise their armor class using Mage Armor or even the devastating the Fireball could easily be a big loss for the fighter. To be honest with you, the Wizard might have the advantage. The Fighter usually has heavy armor, making disadvantages on stealth rolls and even movement. If your fighter has light armor, you might have a chance.
hmmm Eldritch Knight does get Counterspell as long as we are gravedigging this thread :)
Perpetually annoyed that Eldritch Knights can't use Eldritch Blast, Eldritch Smite, and Eldritch Sight.
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RAW seem to indicate that that both the two phrases only come into play when they are not being worn or carried
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