Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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The movie has nothing to do with the OGL. The turnout for the movie has literally no effect on the OGL situation.
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What "agenda politics" are you referring to exactly?
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Yep.
I thought the "modern comic book movie" feel of the trailer and the corny music they put along with it was terrible so I never planned to see it in the first place. Now that Hasbro is making these terrible decisions for the future of our community, I am actively telling other people to boycott the movie.
It would really help if you were to actually explain what you mean.
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I am lucky our local library has a new release machine. I just go online and scroll through the new releases and put a save on the ones I want and then I have 5 hours hold on it to go pick it up for free. I have not paid for a movie or tv series show in 2 decades. So if boycotting means seeing it at the movie theaters then yes.
I will however watch it when it becomes available at the library as it looks awesome!
And here I thought I was on my best behavior. BUT NO I got scolded and threatened with corner time. I guess we are not allowed to express our feelings or opinions on anything here. All hugs and kisses every body's special every one gets a ribbon that says 'Your a winner" Not here more then a week and I got naughty points twice. How many points do I get?
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No, I really have no idea what you're on about. Please don't threaten to block people because you don't want to elaborate.
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Okay, but would you mind explaining how boycotting the movie will have even the slightest effect on the OGL?
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I think the hypothetical behind talking about boycotting the movie is that the discussion gets picked up by news media. That would likely draw attention of the studio(s) involved and hasbro investors, who would tell the c-suite people to stop messing around and fix this mess they created.
If the movie doesn't do well at the box office or it looks like the target audience is going to pass on the film, the studio would likely shelf any future projects for the D&D IP.
At least that's the thinking as I understand it.
If anything, when investors feel dividends are threatened, they typically start talking about replacing the people running things.
Who knows, this is all conjecture based on the interwebz.
I'm not going to argue whether or not boycotting will have any effect on the OGL, or if it is morally sound given all the people worked on it presumably worked pretty hard. All I'm going to say is that I've wanted a new D&D movie for a while, I'm looking forward to seeing it, and I'm not going to let some corporate greed get in the way of me enjoying products that I enjoy. I don't typically buy things because I want to support a company, I buy things because they are good products that I want/need.
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- Litany Against Fear, Frank Herbert
They think that we are an obstacle to their money, I say let's make that thought a reality. At this point it's not even about the OGL any more, it's about sending a message. We will not stand for the gaslighting. We will not put up with the lies and the deceit. The time has come to take the fight to "The Dragon" and Paizo is rallying the troops. I know where I stand, where do you?
Sure thing ~ So, typically when a movie comes out, if more people go see it, it's considered more successful. If less people see it, it's considered less successful, and that's bad.
So if WotC and Hasbro were expecting a lot of people to go see the new D&D movie (and I do expect they are watching, since it's their IP and they should care about it's general popularity and success of the brand) and then not many people actually do, despite the fact that it was well reviewed and had a lot of buzz - they might go 'Hmmm, what happened? We were set up for so much success here, we even had Chris Pine in it!'
And the answer will be 'You got mega greedy and decided to slap the face of your most ardent fans right before releasing a movie, and in turn, they decided they didn't want to support you or your brand anymore and they didn't pay to see it.'
Now, if instead the movie is very successful because the mainstream audience who has no idea any of this OGL stuff is going on go see it, AND the D&D nerds like you who don't care about this OGL stuff go and see it, and the numbers are just fine - then there's a significantly less likely chance that WotC/Hasbro will ever have to ask themselves that question. Which means it's much less likely that they'll learn from their greedy mistakes.
Which means I hope you have deep pockets, because if they think they can get away with being THIS greedy, they'll do worse in the future.
Does that help?
It may be more effective to just not buy the movie merchandise toys they release. From what I've seen of them I probably wouldn't buy anyway. They look like happymeal toys
https://hasbropulse.com/collections/1027-collection/products/dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves-d-d-dicelings-white-owlbear-figure
Joker moment
But seriously, the whole paladin-knight thing you've got going on is just cringe. Do whatever, I don't care. But don't expect the Hasbro executives to be thinking "oh the movie did poorly? I guess we gotta change the OGL"
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(pink edit mine) Is it possible that executives will put 2 and 2 together that the movie's response is related to the OGL? Sure, absolutely, especially if you can get some major news coverage. Wont dismiss it as an impossible notion, especially seeing the progress made so far. At the same time, though, there's no guarantee that will happen since the movie and the OGL are part of two separate products made from their IP (one being a way to market to general audiences and the other being a legal document related to the TTRPG itself). Who knows, if the movie bombs badly enough, maybe they will see microtransactions on D&D Beyond as the only viable way to make more money off of D&D. But thats just speculation on my part.
The movie being a flop will not impact the OGL in any way. All the boycotting would achieve is we might never again get a D&D movie. Which is just a great disservice in my opinion. High fantasy movie with action, comedy and monsters we recognise from the games like oozes, owlbears and dragons? Maybe even a Beholder? I want more of that, not less.
I understand the anger, but go too far and you just kill D&D.
And Hasbro? Even if every D&D player in the world boycotted absolutely everything Hasbro is involved in --- They'll still make billions. For them it's just unfortunate, but nothing they can't handle. D&D is just one, relatively small, avenue of profit from the many they have.
So cancelling subs and stuff to feedback the OGL? Understandable. Makes sense. And they listened - yay.
But this boycotting everything, rage against them, off with their heads stuff? Hurts D&D community far more than even the OGL 1.1 would have. Greedy company being greedy I can deal with. Cancel-Culture Warrior-Wannabes trying (even if unintentionally) to destroy the hobby, I'm not OK with. I mean, nothing I can do about it, but I just wanted to vent about the hypocrisy - since y'all are worse than Hasbro in my eyes.
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I mean, given that WotC has brought in a substantial amount for Hasbro -- a company that, as I recall (but correct me if I'm wrong), hasn't been doing all too well in their other pursuits -- I'd imagine they'll keep following the DnD money. I reject the premise that Hasbro are so dang huge that boycotting the movie would only hurt the community while Hasbro shrugs it off. They want the movie to succeed; given recent loud community backlash the shareholders are watching. But let's say they are a behemoth, and the boycotting does little to their profit margin. So what? So another DnD movie doesn't get made? We'll never see oozes and owlbears and dragons on the big screen again?
Like just to put things into perspective here, because some of y'all are equating DnD to the nose on your face: you're calling people warrior-wannabes, destroyers of a hobby, and worse than lying money-grabbing litigious corporates because they're: potentially in the way of you seeing an owl+bear combo in a two hour action-fantasy?
The movie isn't the hobby. The owlbear or dragon aren't the hobby. Hollywood output isn't the hobby. And neither are the DnD books WotC has been releasing.
The hobby is the friends playing online or at the table, and the community that is really hurting right now. Just admit you're emotionally invested in those DnD elements you associate with fun times with your friends at the table. It's ok to feel invested. But plenty of us are still here playing at our tables, and with a thriving community unencumbered by restrictive corporate practice, I might get to see owlbears and bearowls, maybe with rich backstories and adventures. And I think that is pretty swell.
I think you're being a bit reactionary here, and overly emotional. Frankly, the idea that a failed D&D movie is somehow going to take down the hobby is just silly; we've survived Jeremy Irons doing the hammiest acting I've ever seen, and I love watching Mst3k, so my bar for movies is pretty low. If the D&D movie does poorly now, it's not going to tank the franchise and kill the hobby - this hobby has always existed on the outside of the mainstream and what is popular, to matter how close to the stream it manages to get it's still just too dorky for most people to actually get into or participate in in a meaningful way.
The people who are drawn to D&D will still be drawn to TTRPG's of any stripe because it's the action of playing together and being creative in fantasy settings that draws people in, not the IP of Dungeons and Dragons with Beholders and whatever - like, no one cares about any of the 'unique' things D&D actually has ownership of, I promise you. No one could give less of a crap about mindflayers. They care about the experience of roleplaying with friends and having fantasy adventures the likes of which real life will never manage to deliver. That's it.
And frankly, all the more reasons that WotC should know their place as 'stewards of the game' and not try this overreach, as if they were somehow bringing something miraculous to life and not simply feeding off of the creative endeavors of thousands of people who collectively came together for decades.
If you think that the executives will have zero idea all of this is going on, then you must think they REALLY live in a bubble.
Dude, they lost 40,000 subsruptions in a WEEK. Based on some other things I've seen, that looks like it was roughly 10% of their subscribers. No company loses 10% of it's subscribers without having to put in a little note about why that happened somewhere, on some report. More likely they at least had one board room meeting about it to tell the Boss what gives.
If you want to assume though they'll never know WHY we didn't go and see the movie because they lack the ability to look at their own forums or google D&D at all, then sure, oh no, they won't want to invest in another Dungeons and Dragons movie. How sad. How awful.
Maybe they'll start investing in the game then, instead of stupid stuff that I don't care about and does NOTHING to add to my ttrpg experience. How awful.