I want wotc to come forward with a reasuring and ironclad solution that gives 3rd party creators peace of mind and protection from this happening again. I want the hobby and game I love to thrive. But in the current turmoil and in its current hands it won't.
All WotC has to do is sign the ORC.
They don't need to do that in order to use it, if it's truly open.
COMICS fans. Surely you understand the difference between a comic book and a movie??
???? We need them to sign it if we're going to publish D&D content under it. Obviously. Without an accompanying SRD, how would anyone know what they could use?? It's to protect us, not them.
Are you sure you understand how any of this works??
I want wotc to come forward with a reasuring and ironclad solution that gives 3rd party creators peace of mind and protection from this happening again. I want the hobby and game I love to thrive. But in the current turmoil and in its current hands it won't.
All WotC has to do is sign the ORC.
They don't need to do that in order to use it, if it's truly open.
COMICS fans. Surely you understand the difference between a comic book and a movie??
???? We need them to sign it if we're going to publish D&D content under it. Obviously. Without an accompanying SRD, how would anyone know what they could use?? It's to protect us, not them.
Are you sure you understand how any of this works??
1) You think the MCU didn't benefit COMICS fans in any way?
2) If ORC is truly open, WotC does not need to endorse or contribute to it to use it. Nobody does. Yes, you would need to "sign it" (which would mean putting it in whatever book they publish through it, and abiding by its stipulations) but that costs nothing.
I don't like the culture of boycotting things especially if they are just loosely related. I will wait how the reviews for the movie turn out and then I will watch it or I won't. If it is a great movie that people poured in a lot of love making it, why should I boycott it, because of some corporate decision? I would mainly be hurting the people making the movie.
Same thing with the whole Hogwarts Legacy bullshit. I care about the game, if it is good I will buy it. I just won't watch the movie to support the brand or go buy a game to support the author of the books. Corporations are not your friend. They are not "good". They just want to sell you stuff. I am not here to "support" them, I buy their stuff, if I like it.
What point would you be making? You think suits at Hasbro/WotC are gonna be like "Whelp, the movie didn't do well, guess we'll go back to OGL 1.0 and drop all plans to monetize DnD..."
I actually hope the movie does well, showing that there ARE good ways to monetize the IP without pissing off their fan-base.
Exactly. This is the same as when people flooded that Clockwork Soul guide with requests to return to the old OGL.
People just don't understand that that isn't how things work. I swear people are getting dumber.
It won't make a difference. WotC and Hasbro has already made their money after being paid to allow their trademarks and copyright to be licensed by the producer. Hasbro didn't even want the movie to be produced in the first place because they wanted to produce a different film with a different studio and tried to sue to get it to stop being developed but lost and were ordered to develop this one instead.
Do you have a reference on that legal situation you can point me to?
It won't make a difference. WotC and Hasbro has already made their money after being paid to allow their trademarks and copyright to be licensed by the producer. Hasbro didn't even want the movie to be produced in the first place because they wanted to produce a different film with a different studio and tried to sue to get it to stop being developed but lost and were ordered to develop this one instead.
Do you have a reference on that legal situation you can point me to?
Hard to get a reference to things that are made up to fit someone's narrative.
It won't make a difference. WotC and Hasbro has already made their money after being paid to allow their trademarks and copyright to be licensed by the producer. Hasbro didn't even want the movie to be produced in the first place because they wanted to produce a different film with a different studio and tried to sue to get it to stop being developed but lost and were ordered to develop this one instead.
If you don't want to read the article: Hasbro had a deal with Universal but no actual movie yet, while Warner had a script they liked but no deal with Hasbro. They tried to end-around Hasbro/Universal by using "sequel" rights to the old flop film from 2000. Nobody "lost" the case; the judge didn't make a ruling and told the two sides they'd be better off working something out, and they did
If Hasbro had lost the case, the film wouldn't be using Faerun as its setting
BTW, the movie that ended up getting made isn't with either Warner or Universal (it's at Paramount), and isn't using the WB script that sparked the case, so the lawsuit is basically irrelevant to the final film
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I was planning on dropping the ridiculous $80 that it costs to take my family to the movies and get popcorn and everything for it - costs are so insane these days we almost never go, but I'm such a huge D&D nerd and my sister loves going to the movies, it was just a given that we'd go see this one. Now, I just... don't want to. Not even really a boycott from me, just like... disheartened and uninterested in the IP now =/ they're really ruining it for me the longer they drag this out. Another week or two or more bad choices and they're going to fully wreck it, like... I can't divorce the handlers of the property from the property, because ultimately the people who handle the property fully control your experience and access to it, and I've been burned way too many times to not see what's going on with all this bullshit. They're going to hyper monetize it and suck all the life and soul out of the experience to nickel and dime us - I'm not signing up for more of that.
Ah yes, cancel culture, the... *checks notes* choice of people to not participate in something that they don't like, that's... so bad?
What do you have against 'cancel culture' anyway? Every time I see someone whining about 'cancel culture', they're really unaware of what it even is or how it's genuinely existed in humanity from the dawn of time. We literally have studies showing how humans invented language so they could gossip and 'cancel' Ooog for stealing too much meat or being too much of a dick all the time, because at the end of the day 'cancel culture' is literally just socially punishing people who behave poorly and ruin the experience of the group as a whole for their own benefit or enjoyment. Wow, so terrible.
Like... I really do not get the pushback against cancel culture, it seems really obvious to me that we've had it forever. What the hell do you guys think you'd call the Salem Witch Trials if not cancel culture? Ladies got straight up burned at the stake, is that not being cancelled enough? xD
Believe it or not, I actually enjoyed the first 'Dungeons & Dragons' movie from 2K.
A movie like that can be restored today, and I believe would do well returning back to the theaters with a few changes:
1. In the 1st ACT; the scene where Jeremy Irons' wizard character, Profion, is speaking draconic to a captured yound red dragon; let's read his translation through subtitles and the red dragon's reply to him when the dragon breaks free.
2. All of the scenes where the computer generated characters can be remodeled and enhanced.
The actor's performances in the entire movie can remain untouched.
Believe it or not, I actually enjoyed the first 'Dungeons & Dragons' movie from 2K.
A movie like that can be restored today, and I believe would do well returning back to the theaters with a few changes:
1. In the 1st ACT; the scene where Jeremy Irons' wizard character, Profion, is speaking draconic to a captured yound red dragon; let's read his translation through subtitles and the red dragon's reply to him when the dragon breaks free.
2. All of the scenes where the computer generated characters can be remodeled and enhanced.
The actor's performances in the entire movie can remain untouched.
I also enjoyed it even as cheesy as it was with the poor cgi
I'm good now, I'll read the Wiki summary of the movie or watch a recap sites take on the movie. I haven't liked WotC behavior since 2020 and the current iteration just added on complete lack of knowledge of the customer to my list of complaints. WotC is in my avoid giving money list now.
Regarding the ORC, I think you both, Psyren and Backcountry, talk about different things.
Psyren talks about WotC using the ORC, Backcountry about WotC offering D&D within the ORC.
Did I get that right?
I believe he is wanting D&D to be offered exclusively via ORC. I don't see that happening unless ORC reaches a level of popularity unheard of for a non-WotC license.
The more likely scenarios are that, either ORC will be a success and WotC can create some non-D&D product line through it (e.g. d20 Modern), or it will remain an also-ran and WotC will largely ignore it in favor of promoting OGL 2.0. Alternatively, ORC gets popular enough that they may simply release a conversion guide of some kind through it to let you translate stuff from ORC's SRD to the new OGL's.
On-topic: I will definitely be seeing the movie, though I'm sure any success or failure on its part will be difficult to separate from the community's views on the OGL now.
I also enjoyed it even as cheesy as it was with the poor cgi
CG effects in filmmaking is all about increasing the color palette resolution and motion; y'know, frames per second motion capture and trillions and trillions of color on a 3 dimensional model, adding light and shadow, etcetera...
The only movie from the time 'Dungeons & Dragons' released that displays incredible photo-realistic color resolution combined with light and shadow along with life-like motion capture that holds up strong today was the Jar Jar Binks character from 'Star Wars: Episode I'.
Would even suggest the CG effects in 'Star Wars: Episode I' is stronger, more impressive than 'Avatar'; to me 'Avatar is showing its age in visual effects in some scenes.
COMICS fans. Surely you understand the difference between a comic book and a movie??
???? We need them to sign it if we're going to publish D&D content under it. Obviously. Without an accompanying SRD, how would anyone know what they could use?? It's to protect us, not them.
Are you sure you understand how any of this works??
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1) You think the MCU didn't benefit COMICS fans in any way?
2) If ORC is truly open, WotC does not need to endorse or contribute to it to use it. Nobody does. Yes, you would need to "sign it" (which would mean putting it in whatever book they publish through it, and abiding by its stipulations) but that costs nothing.
Regarding the ORC, I think you both, Psyren and Backcountry, talk about different things.
Psyren talks about WotC using the ORC, Backcountry about WotC offering D&D within the ORC.
Did I get that right?
I don't like the culture of boycotting things especially if they are just loosely related. I will wait how the reviews for the movie turn out and then I will watch it or I won't. If it is a great movie that people poured in a lot of love making it, why should I boycott it, because of some corporate decision? I would mainly be hurting the people making the movie.
Same thing with the whole Hogwarts Legacy bullshit. I care about the game, if it is good I will buy it. I just won't watch the movie to support the brand or go buy a game to support the author of the books. Corporations are not your friend. They are not "good". They just want to sell you stuff. I am not here to "support" them, I buy their stuff, if I like it.
Exactly. This is the same as when people flooded that Clockwork Soul guide with requests to return to the old OGL.
People just don't understand that that isn't how things work. I swear people are getting dumber.
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I still plan to see the movie (assuming the reviews are positive). Boycotting the movie won't do anything useful, and the movie itself looks great.
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Do you have a reference on that legal situation you can point me to?
This is utterly not what happened
If you don't want to read the article: Hasbro had a deal with Universal but no actual movie yet, while Warner had a script they liked but no deal with Hasbro. They tried to end-around Hasbro/Universal by using "sequel" rights to the old flop film from 2000. Nobody "lost" the case; the judge didn't make a ruling and told the two sides they'd be better off working something out, and they did
If Hasbro had lost the case, the film wouldn't be using Faerun as its setting
BTW, the movie that ended up getting made isn't with either Warner or Universal (it's at Paramount), and isn't using the WB script that sparked the case, so the lawsuit is basically irrelevant to the final film
Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
This all sounds like cancel culture to me and I'm not with you.
Choosing not to financially support businesses that do non-partisan generally shitty things is just... basic market capitalism.
They did something that is 100% definitely bad, so people are discussing not giving them money/buying alternatives.
I'm very interested in if there would be a way for me to see the movie without helping hasbro.
Literally just market capitalism.
I was planning on dropping the ridiculous $80 that it costs to take my family to the movies and get popcorn and everything for it - costs are so insane these days we almost never go, but I'm such a huge D&D nerd and my sister loves going to the movies, it was just a given that we'd go see this one. Now, I just... don't want to. Not even really a boycott from me, just like... disheartened and uninterested in the IP now =/ they're really ruining it for me the longer they drag this out. Another week or two or more bad choices and they're going to fully wreck it, like... I can't divorce the handlers of the property from the property, because ultimately the people who handle the property fully control your experience and access to it, and I've been burned way too many times to not see what's going on with all this bullshit. They're going to hyper monetize it and suck all the life and soul out of the experience to nickel and dime us - I'm not signing up for more of that.
Ah yes, cancel culture, the... *checks notes* choice of people to not participate in something that they don't like, that's... so bad?
What do you have against 'cancel culture' anyway? Every time I see someone whining about 'cancel culture', they're really unaware of what it even is or how it's genuinely existed in humanity from the dawn of time. We literally have studies showing how humans invented language so they could gossip and 'cancel' Ooog for stealing too much meat or being too much of a dick all the time, because at the end of the day 'cancel culture' is literally just socially punishing people who behave poorly and ruin the experience of the group as a whole for their own benefit or enjoyment. Wow, so terrible.
Like... I really do not get the pushback against cancel culture, it seems really obvious to me that we've had it forever. What the hell do you guys think you'd call the Salem Witch Trials if not cancel culture? Ladies got straight up burned at the stake, is that not being cancelled enough? xD
Believe it or not, I actually enjoyed the first 'Dungeons & Dragons' movie from 2K.
A movie like that can be restored today, and I believe would do well returning back to the theaters with a few changes:
1. In the 1st ACT; the scene where Jeremy Irons' wizard character, Profion, is speaking draconic to a captured yound red dragon; let's read his translation through subtitles and the red dragon's reply to him when the dragon breaks free.
2. All of the scenes where the computer generated characters can be remodeled and enhanced.
The actor's performances in the entire movie can remain untouched.
I also enjoyed it even as cheesy as it was with the poor cgi
I'm good now, I'll read the Wiki summary of the movie or watch a recap sites take on the movie. I haven't liked WotC behavior since 2020 and the current iteration just added on complete lack of knowledge of the customer to my list of complaints. WotC is in my avoid giving money list now.
I believe he is wanting D&D to be offered exclusively via ORC. I don't see that happening unless ORC reaches a level of popularity unheard of for a non-WotC license.
The more likely scenarios are that, either ORC will be a success and WotC can create some non-D&D product line through it (e.g. d20 Modern), or it will remain an also-ran and WotC will largely ignore it in favor of promoting OGL 2.0. Alternatively, ORC gets popular enough that they may simply release a conversion guide of some kind through it to let you translate stuff from ORC's SRD to the new OGL's.
On-topic: I will definitely be seeing the movie, though I'm sure any success or failure on its part will be difficult to separate from the community's views on the OGL now.
CG effects in filmmaking is all about increasing the color palette resolution and motion; y'know, frames per second motion capture and trillions and trillions of color on a 3 dimensional model, adding light and shadow, etcetera...
The only movie from the time 'Dungeons & Dragons' released that displays incredible photo-realistic color resolution combined with light and shadow along with life-like motion capture that holds up strong today was the Jar Jar Binks character from 'Star Wars: Episode I'.
Would even suggest the CG effects in 'Star Wars: Episode I' is stronger, more impressive than 'Avatar'; to me 'Avatar is showing its age in visual effects in some scenes.