I completely understand the reasons people are upset, and why they want to boycott it.
But I've been looking forward to it my whole life and I'm not going to give it up because of the OGL.
I'll give you a hint, that has never been a DnD Movie that wasn't shear and utter crap. I didn't want to spoil it for you, but its likely to go down that way. WotC sold the movie studio that made the show before it was released, so you make your own decision.
I completely understand the reasons people are upset, and why they want to boycott it.
But I've been looking forward to it my whole life and I'm not going to give it up because of the OGL.
I'll give you a hint, that has never been a DnD Movie that wasn't shear and utter crap. I didn't want to spoil it for you, but its likely to go down that way. WotC sold the movie studio that made the show before it was released, so you make your own decision.
I actually liked the original, it was cringey, but in an awesome and totally fun way.
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Quokkas are objectively the best animal, anyone who disagrees needs a psychiatric evaluation
I mean, people can boycott/stop buying whatever they want, whenever they want, for whatever damn fool reason they want
Once you shut off your critical thinking though and just blindly follow the mob, it becomes that much easier for someone else to come along and turn your "cause" into a grift, so you end up out the money anyway
A sound point, history's littered with examples of it. You have finite time and energy, and ideally choose to fight the battles that both align with your values and stand the test of your own scrutiny. As a Brian once said, 'You're all individuals, you've got to think for yourselves'. I get it. But it's interesting seeing boycotting next to the above words of caution. And other posts akin to 'corps will be corps' arguments (which is kinda similar to 'boys will be boys'). And it makes me think many people see loud people on TV/online and associate only that with 'boycotting' - makes sense, loud angry people get more attention. But it's like we've become desensitised to it, like 'ugh, another issue, another thing that sucks, well what'd you expect, this is how the world works', and I don't think we really take in, or at times easily find, those victories where people's boycotting actually did make a difference, big or small. Hell, Hasbro paints their latest loss as 'we both won', and is probably telling themselves and their stakeholders that what they have is a 'mob' that will soon die down.
I won't be disappointed if people go see the movie. People can spend their money and time how they like. I won't be angry or disheartened if it gets raving reviews and makes Hasbro lots of money, like it'll suck but I won't dwell on it. I'm not exactly expecting change for the better here; the point is I do what my time, energy, values and self-scrutiny tells me. I sense some people on here are inclined to think people who choose to boycott the movie are naive about the world, or foolishly optimistic or easily swayed by angry energy. Sure, ok. I wasn't gonna post a whole thing about this as it's about a movie, but the way boycotting is framed in this discussion so far is honestly really interesting. Lastly, people's boycotting and/or displeasure with WotC is not a personal attack on any of y'all.
Or maybe like, it will prove you shouldn't do something that horrendously offends the majority of your fanbase shortly before you're going to drop a movie? Like... It's not rocket science here people.
Like if Marvel had a big movie coming out, and they... idk, had Chris Pratt and Rockett Racoon do a commercial for Subway right before, saying that all Marvel Fans are tubby lardbodies that need to really start eating at Subway so they can lose some weight and look ripped like Starlord - do you think that'd endear their fanbase to them at all? Calling them names, assuming things (negative things too) about them like they're a homogenous mass instead of individuals, using characters that they love to hurt them with this cheap gimmick for a couple of bucks from Subway? I don't think it'd make anyone too inclined to see the new Marvel movie coming out.
Or maybe like, it will prove you shouldn't do something that horrendously offends the majority of your fanbase shortly before you're going to drop a movie? Like... It's not rocket science here people.
Like if Marvel had a big movie coming out, and they... idk, had Chris Pratt and Rockett Racoon do a commercial for Subway right before, saying that all Marvel Fans are tubby lardbodies that need to really start eating at Subway so they can lose some weight and look ripped like Starlord - do you think that'd endear their fanbase to them at all? Calling them names, assuming things (negative things too) about them like they're a homogenous mass instead of individuals, using characters that they love to hurt them with this cheap gimmick for a couple of bucks from Subway? I don't think it'd make anyone too inclined to see the new Marvel movie coming out.
Maybe don't do stuff that insults your fans, idk.
Oh yeah lol I actually forgot they insulted us on several occasions now
The point has been made. Give them a chance to change course. Boycotting the movie will simply ensure that no studio will touch D&D for 20 years. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Or maybe like, it will prove you shouldn't do something that horrendously offends the majority of your fanbase shortly before you're going to drop a movie? Like... It's not rocket science here people.
Like if Marvel had a big movie coming out, and they... idk, had Chris Pratt and Rockett Racoon do a commercial for Subway right before, saying that all Marvel Fans are tubby lardbodies that need to really start eating at Subway so they can lose some weight and look ripped like Starlord - do you think that'd endear their fanbase to them at all? Calling them names, assuming things (negative things too) about them like they're a homogenous mass instead of individuals, using characters that they love to hurt them with this cheap gimmick for a couple of bucks from Subway? I don't think it'd make anyone too inclined to see the new Marvel movie coming out.
Maybe don't do stuff that insults your fans, idk.
Actually I would laugh pretty hard at that commercial.
As others have said the people who worked on the movie had nothing to do with the OGL. There are a lot of people who worked hard on it (again these people are totally unconnected to the OGL) and I hope it is good.
Nah bro here is the point we are making. It doesn't matter what it is, if it has Hasbo or Wizard of the Coast on it, they dont deserve a dime. If all they care about is money we going to do a part to starve them out. All they had to do was leave OGL alone, but they got greedy. Not just greedy they got Evil Empire greedy. They need to wake up, cause this is never going to stop, at least not until they respect the community that built them. To those who still support them, well obviously you are to blind to see what your supporting. But don't worry you will. Especially if Wizards of Hasbro keeps doing business like they have been.
The idea that boycotting something would be pointless is one that Hasbro's counting on, and at this point if I don't want to give them another penny for the WotC books then I won't give them another penny for any other DnD thing they bring out. Sure, I'd like to see the movie, and I'm still feeling emotionally tied to DnD and a part of me wants to see something I've loved for years thrive even more. I'm attached, and conflicted, and that is okay. But honestly, there's plenty of great DnD content to watch already, and plenty of it to read, and play. I can do without the movie (or paying to see it), and if it turns out to be a turd I won't feel even more annoyed for paying for a turd.
Boycotting's not some meaningless endeavour and it's not some cancel culture woke lefty snowflake whatever you wanna call it. Like jfc we've just come together to make WotC/Hasbro scramble with pathetic damage control. Community action has impact. And we can turn down 2 hours of cinematic gratification to add single little splinters to the corporate finger.
F*** corporate greed. I may have only pennies but they're my f***ing pennies and the ancient fat dragon's not getting a single one.
I would too, but you get the point I'm trying to make; it's just not smart business to make poor choices shortly before you release a product.
It doesn't matter if your fans are geeks or the live laugh love crowd, and since Hasbro/WotC own the IP for Dungeons & Dragons and they're currently trying to hyper monetize it, I think spanking them with not showing up to their movie in response is actually not a bad way to withhold money from WotC and prove a point. It's not like we can go and return our D&D books that we bought throughout the years or anything, the best you can do is simply not participate in D&D related things until they change their tune. And unforutnately for this movie, it's going to be on the chopping block becuase guess what, Hasbro hasn't changed it's tune, not even a note.
The people who worked on the movie already got paid, the only people who truly suffer from not funding a movie are the big names in it and funders, and I think Chris Pine will be just fine.
The point has been made. Give them a chance to change course. Boycotting the movie will simply ensure that no studio will touch D&D for 20 years. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Considering that when they're actually looking at the IP and paying attention to it they want to start charging players $30 a month to participate and removing all content so they can sell it to you as a microtransaction, maybe it's actually a good thing that no studio will want to touch D&D for another 20 years.
I'd love a good D&D movie, I remember the Michael Irons incident in theaters kids, so trust me - I wouldn't be against one being successful.
However - since Hasbro/WotC seem literally incapable of not being greedy little piglets, I'd far rather D&D return to obscurity so that it can be cheap, accessible, and GOOD - instead of this hyper monetized BS that they're trying to force us all into. Maybe if the D&D movie fails and the mainstream decides it's not worth their time, we can get our hobby back and it won't be stolen out from under us by people who think it's okay to charge $60 for a subpar adventure book with tons of errors in it like they couldn't even run it through a spellchecker!
If D&D being popular means it's expensive and stupid, then I want no part of it.
The point has been made. Give them a chance to change course. Boycotting the movie will simply ensure that no studio will touch D&D for 20 years. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Considering that when they're actually looking at the IP and paying attention to it they want to start charging players $30 a month to participate and removing all content so they can sell it to you as a microtransaction, maybe it's actually a good thing that no studio will want to touch D&D for another 20 years.
Paramount+ picked up eOne’s Dungeons & Dragons TV series, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
This series was first announced back in 2022 with Rawson Marshall Thurber writing, directing, and executive producing the pilot.
This is the kind of deal Hasbro wants to pursue; Hasbro put eOne's non-core entertainment assets up for sale recently.
The organizers of SXSW Film & TV Festival have announced that Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves will headline the opening night film slate at their 2023 event, which runs from March 10 to March 19.
Paramount+ picked up eOne’s Dungeons & Dragons TV series, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
This series was first announced back in 2022 with Rawson Marshall Thurber writing, directing, and executive producing the pilot.
This is the kind of deal Hasbro wants to pursue; Hasbro put eOne's non-core entertainment assets up for sale recently.
The organizers of SXSW Film & TV Festival have announced that Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves will headline the opening night film slate at their 2023 event, which runs from March 10 to March 19.
If they fear that there current fan base of players can cause there plan to turn d&d into a more mainstream brand to fail they will understand the importance of not killing there current community
Rumors from several different sources that were right about many other things, like the OGL leak. Also, it's a rumor that's been floating around for several days now and WotC has done virtually nothing to actually set the story straight. All we keep getting is delay delay delay, no real info from them on any of this. If they aren't planning on jacking up the price to 30$ a month, it seems like it'd be pretty easy for them to say so...
If they fear that there current fan base of players can cause there plan to turn d&d into a more mainstream brand to fail they will understand the importance of not killing there current community
The D&D television show is a go; I might consider Paramount+
The D&D movie is a go; definitely going to see it; not in the theaters 'cause it's too dangerous on my side of the monitor but on DVD.
The D&D video game is a go; my STEAM account has kept me updated.
If they fear that there current fan base of players can cause there plan to turn d&d into a more mainstream brand to fail they will understand the importance of not killing there current community
The D&D television show is a go; I might consider Paramount+
The D&D movie is a go; definitely going to see it; not in the theaters 'cause it's too dangerous on my side of the monitor but on DVD.
The D&D video game is a go; my STEAM account has kept me updated.
The D&D merchandising is a steady go.
This is the best time to be a D&D fan. ❤
And the worst possible time to stab 3rd parties creators that have built your fan base in the back. Yet they did.
Worst time to enrage your face base that supports those same creators. Yet they did.
Wotc could right now be bringing in people by the thousands Yet instead people are canceling subs fast and putting them in damage control mode and what did they give us. Silence not an immediate clarification because they new they where caught with there hand in the jar.
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I completely understand the reasons people are upset, and why they want to boycott it.
But I've been looking forward to it my whole life and I'm not going to give it up because of the OGL.
Quokkas are objectively the best animal, anyone who disagrees needs a psychiatric evaluation
I'll give you a hint, that has never been a DnD Movie that wasn't shear and utter crap. I didn't want to spoil it for you, but its likely to go down that way. WotC sold the movie studio that made the show before it was released, so you make your own decision.
The only thing that boycotting the movie will "prove" is that D&D movies are not worth making because it didn't make money.
Then we have to wait a generation before somebody else tries again.
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Naw, they have an idea of sentiment and interest in the movie BEFORE OGL and AFTER OGL. They will know how much they lost by pulling the OGL facefall.
I actually liked the original, it was cringey, but in an awesome and totally fun way.
Quokkas are objectively the best animal, anyone who disagrees needs a psychiatric evaluation
A sound point, history's littered with examples of it. You have finite time and energy, and ideally choose to fight the battles that both align with your values and stand the test of your own scrutiny. As a Brian once said, 'You're all individuals, you've got to think for yourselves'. I get it. But it's interesting seeing boycotting next to the above words of caution. And other posts akin to 'corps will be corps' arguments (which is kinda similar to 'boys will be boys'). And it makes me think many people see loud people on TV/online and associate only that with 'boycotting' - makes sense, loud angry people get more attention. But it's like we've become desensitised to it, like 'ugh, another issue, another thing that sucks, well what'd you expect, this is how the world works', and I don't think we really take in, or at times easily find, those victories where people's boycotting actually did make a difference, big or small. Hell, Hasbro paints their latest loss as 'we both won', and is probably telling themselves and their stakeholders that what they have is a 'mob' that will soon die down.
I won't be disappointed if people go see the movie. People can spend their money and time how they like. I won't be angry or disheartened if it gets raving reviews and makes Hasbro lots of money, like it'll suck but I won't dwell on it. I'm not exactly expecting change for the better here; the point is I do what my time, energy, values and self-scrutiny tells me. I sense some people on here are inclined to think people who choose to boycott the movie are naive about the world, or foolishly optimistic or easily swayed by angry energy. Sure, ok. I wasn't gonna post a whole thing about this as it's about a movie, but the way boycotting is framed in this discussion so far is honestly really interesting. Lastly, people's boycotting and/or displeasure with WotC is not a personal attack on any of y'all.
Or maybe like, it will prove you shouldn't do something that horrendously offends the majority of your fanbase shortly before you're going to drop a movie? Like... It's not rocket science here people.
Like if Marvel had a big movie coming out, and they... idk, had Chris Pratt and Rockett Racoon do a commercial for Subway right before, saying that all Marvel Fans are tubby lardbodies that need to really start eating at Subway so they can lose some weight and look ripped like Starlord - do you think that'd endear their fanbase to them at all? Calling them names, assuming things (negative things too) about them like they're a homogenous mass instead of individuals, using characters that they love to hurt them with this cheap gimmick for a couple of bucks from Subway? I don't think it'd make anyone too inclined to see the new Marvel movie coming out.
Maybe don't do stuff that insults your fans, idk.
Oh yeah lol I actually forgot they insulted us on several occasions now
The point has been made. Give them a chance to change course. Boycotting the movie will simply ensure that no studio will touch D&D for 20 years. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Actually I would laugh pretty hard at that commercial.
As others have said the people who worked on the movie had nothing to do with the OGL. There are a lot of people who worked hard on it (again these people are totally unconnected to the OGL) and I hope it is good.
Nah bro here is the point we are making. It doesn't matter what it is, if it has Hasbo or Wizard of the Coast on it, they dont deserve a dime. If all they care about is money we going to do a part to starve them out. All they had to do was leave OGL alone, but they got greedy. Not just greedy they got Evil Empire greedy. They need to wake up, cause this is never going to stop, at least not until they respect the community that built them. To those who still support them, well obviously you are to blind to see what your supporting. But don't worry you will. Especially if Wizards of Hasbro keeps doing business like they have been.
Read my comments again
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I would too, but you get the point I'm trying to make; it's just not smart business to make poor choices shortly before you release a product.
It doesn't matter if your fans are geeks or the live laugh love crowd, and since Hasbro/WotC own the IP for Dungeons & Dragons and they're currently trying to hyper monetize it, I think spanking them with not showing up to their movie in response is actually not a bad way to withhold money from WotC and prove a point. It's not like we can go and return our D&D books that we bought throughout the years or anything, the best you can do is simply not participate in D&D related things until they change their tune. And unforutnately for this movie, it's going to be on the chopping block becuase guess what, Hasbro hasn't changed it's tune, not even a note.
The people who worked on the movie already got paid, the only people who truly suffer from not funding a movie are the big names in it and funders, and I think Chris Pine will be just fine.
Considering that when they're actually looking at the IP and paying attention to it they want to start charging players $30 a month to participate and removing all content so they can sell it to you as a microtransaction, maybe it's actually a good thing that no studio will want to touch D&D for another 20 years.
I'd love a good D&D movie, I remember the Michael Irons incident in theaters kids, so trust me - I wouldn't be against one being successful.
However - since Hasbro/WotC seem literally incapable of not being greedy little piglets, I'd far rather D&D return to obscurity so that it can be cheap, accessible, and GOOD - instead of this hyper monetized BS that they're trying to force us all into. Maybe if the D&D movie fails and the mainstream decides it's not worth their time, we can get our hobby back and it won't be stolen out from under us by people who think it's okay to charge $60 for a subpar adventure book with tons of errors in it like they couldn't even run it through a spellchecker!
If D&D being popular means it's expensive and stupid, then I want no part of it.
Rumours dude, rumours
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'D&D' MOVIE WILL OPEN SXSW; 'D&D' SERIES ORDERED
by Jeffrey Dohm-Sanchez
Paramount+ picked up eOne’s Dungeons & Dragons TV series, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
This series was first announced back in 2022 with Rawson Marshall Thurber writing, directing, and executive producing the pilot.
This is the kind of deal Hasbro wants to pursue; Hasbro put eOne's non-core entertainment assets up for sale recently.
The organizers of SXSW Film & TV Festival have announced that Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves will headline the opening night film slate at their 2023 event, which runs from March 10 to March 19.
https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/53082/d-d-movie-will-open-sxsw-d-d-series-ordered-quantumania-moon-girl-devil-dinosaur-trailers-phineas-ferb-revived-berlanti-signs-long-term-warners
If they fear that there current fan base of players can cause there plan to turn d&d into a more mainstream brand to fail they will understand the importance of not killing there current community
Rumors from several different sources that were right about many other things, like the OGL leak. Also, it's a rumor that's been floating around for several days now and WotC has done virtually nothing to actually set the story straight. All we keep getting is delay delay delay, no real info from them on any of this. If they aren't planning on jacking up the price to 30$ a month, it seems like it'd be pretty easy for them to say so...
The D&D television show is a go; I might consider Paramount+
The D&D movie is a go; definitely going to see it; not in the theaters 'cause it's too dangerous on my side of the monitor but on DVD.
The D&D video game is a go; my STEAM account has kept me updated.
The D&D merchandising is a steady go.
This is the best time to be a D&D fan. ❤
And the worst possible time to stab 3rd parties creators that have built your fan base in the back. Yet they did.
Worst time to enrage your face base that supports those same creators. Yet they did.
Wotc could right now be bringing in people by the thousands Yet instead people are canceling subs fast and putting them in damage control mode and what did they give us. Silence not an immediate clarification because they new they where caught with there hand in the jar.