Could the Raven Queen create an angle? They say only benevolent gods can create Angles. As Lawful Neutral maybe this rules out the Raven Queen. Possibly she could recruit a fallen Angle as a servant?
Different planes and different campaigns are going to have different rules for what gods create angels - in some games, non-Good aligned gods will be able to create them, in others perhaps they can only corrupt angels created by others. That is a decision your DM will have to make about their worldbuilding and lore. For example, in Critical Role’s world, I believe the Raven Queen can create angels. In 4e’s worldbuilding, I do not recall her having any angels she created - though that would still be something a DM could decide to add.
Typically, the alignment of an angel’s benefactor manifests through the personality and appearance of the angel. A good god might have acute angel, with their physical appearance representing a positive visual ideal of that god; an evil or neutral god might have an obtuse angel, whose personality is a bit aloof and unempathetic to mortals.
Well, as the Raven Queen is not the goddess of math, I doubt she could create angles. But angels? That’s a question for the DM/decision you make if you are the DM. Personally, I don’t see why not? Death angels sound cool. Remind of the angels from the Ravnica sourcebook that served the Orzhov syndicate. They were cool.
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The RAW on them, as I read it, is: Angels are formed from the astral essence of benevolent gods and are thus divine beings of great power and foresight.
So, is the Raven queen a benevolent god is the question.
Theres also the line: Even chaotic good deities command lawful good angels, knowing that the angels’ dedication to order best allows them to fulfill divine commands.
So, might not apply to Raven Queen, but does open the idea that not Lawful Good gods can still have angels working for them. Though if that means the god has to be “good” to be considered “benevolent “ is a whole nother question.
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in Essence a Deity can take the soul of a petitioner (a dead persons soul) and turn into an angelic form. Given the Raven Queen dwells in the Shadowfell she could probably make a few angels from the throngs of Shadar kair that live and/or worship her there, you could even take the Kenku and have particularly powerful Kenku actually be the Raven Queens "Angels in Disguise".
This reminds me of Pope Gregory, according to the Venerable Bede: “Non angli, sed angeli”.
From what I’ve read in 5th edition, the nature of the Raven Queen is (probably deliberately) kept vague, so it’s not completely clear whether she would be regarded as a deity. However, portraying her as a goddess with angel-making powers wouldn’t seem to break 5e lore.
My only other thought is that angels are usually denizens of the Outer Planes. However, introducing angels of the more inward planes could create some interesting concepts, like various elemental and Feywild angels.
On the intended question, the Raven Queen isn't a goddess in the FR cosmology and thus doesn't have angels. In the Nerath (4e) cosmology she's a goddess and has angelic servitors, but 4th edition angels aren't reliably good aligned so that doesn't tell you much. She also seems to have been a goddess in Exandria but I'm not all that familiar with that lore.
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Could the Raven Queen create an angle? They say only benevolent gods can create Angles. As Lawful Neutral maybe this rules out the Raven Queen. Possibly she could recruit a fallen Angle as a servant?
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Different planes and different campaigns are going to have different rules for what gods create angels - in some games, non-Good aligned gods will be able to create them, in others perhaps they can only corrupt angels created by others. That is a decision your DM will have to make about their worldbuilding and lore. For example, in Critical Role’s world, I believe the Raven Queen can create angels. In 4e’s worldbuilding, I do not recall her having any angels she created - though that would still be something a DM could decide to add.
Typically, the alignment of an angel’s benefactor manifests through the personality and appearance of the angel. A good god might have acute angel, with their physical appearance representing a positive visual ideal of that god; an evil or neutral god might have an obtuse angel, whose personality is a bit aloof and unempathetic to mortals.
Well, as the Raven Queen is not the goddess of math, I doubt she could create angles. But angels? That’s a question for the DM/decision you make if you are the DM. Personally, I don’t see why not? Death angels sound cool. Remind of the angels from the Ravnica sourcebook that served the Orzhov syndicate. They were cool.
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The RAW on them, as I read it, is: Angels are formed from the astral essence of benevolent gods and are thus divine beings of great power and foresight.
So, is the Raven queen a benevolent god is the question.
Theres also the line: Even chaotic good deities command lawful good angels, knowing that the angels’ dedication to order best allows them to fulfill divine commands.
So, might not apply to Raven Queen, but does open the idea that not Lawful Good gods can still have angels working for them. Though if that means the god has to be “good” to be considered “benevolent “ is a whole nother question.
What's important is your campaign. If you wish for the Raven Queen to have angel why not?
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There is a little section in this wiki about angelic creation: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Angel
in Essence a Deity can take the soul of a petitioner (a dead persons soul) and turn into an angelic form. Given the Raven Queen dwells in the Shadowfell she could probably make a few angels from the throngs of Shadar kair that live and/or worship her there, you could even take the Kenku and have particularly powerful Kenku actually be the Raven Queens "Angels in Disguise".
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From what I’ve read in 5th edition, the nature of the Raven Queen is (probably deliberately) kept vague, so it’s not completely clear whether she would be regarded as a deity. However, portraying her as a goddess with angel-making powers wouldn’t seem to break 5e lore.
My only other thought is that angels are usually denizens of the Outer Planes. However, introducing angels of the more inward planes could create some interesting concepts, like various elemental and Feywild angels.
On the intended question, the Raven Queen isn't a goddess in the FR cosmology and thus doesn't have angels. In the Nerath (4e) cosmology she's a goddess and has angelic servitors, but 4th edition angels aren't reliably good aligned so that doesn't tell you much. She also seems to have been a goddess in Exandria but I'm not all that familiar with that lore.