Looks good... only had a few minutes to take a peek, but my first inclination would be that your class / racial abilities could be expanded on.
I.E. I made a random character that came up with a Lvl 10 Cleric/Ranger/Sorcerer I get the following list: (sorry so long)
Sorcerer: - Draconic Resilience - Dragon Ancestor - Hit Points - Proficiencies - Sorcerous Origin - Spellcasting - Sorcery Points Cleric: - Bonus Proficiency - Disciple of Life - Divine Domain - Hit Points - Proficiencies - Spellcasting - Channel Divinity - Channel Divinity: Preserve Life Ranger: - Favored Enemy - Hit Points - Natural Explorer - Proficiencies - Fighting Style - Spellcasting - Hunter’s Prey - Primeval Awareness - Ranger Archetype - Ability Score Improvement - Extra Attack Racial Traits: - Darkvision - Keen Senses - Fey Ancestry - Trance - Elf Weapon Training - Mask of the Wild
I'd really like the descriptions as well.
Some of these aren't needed (spellcasting / proficiencies / hit points, etc)
But Disciple of life... kind of important to know what it does "Also starting at 1st level, your healing spells are more effective. Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to 2 + the spell’s level."
Could be abbreviated somehow. We all have out favorite sheets, and one of the reasons I like some of them is when I enter a class feature, racial trait, feat, etc.. it autofills some good info for me.
This would be HUGE help to beginning players. And would cut down on the amount of editing needed to get the sheet to be in a workable format for the table.
Going to be very hard to list full descriptions for class features in the space that's provided in the PDF. Those other "favorite" sheets have different layouts that allow for expanded descriptions.
We will offer other types of formats in the future and we will certainly look for ways to get more information that would be useful into the export.
Thanks!
While abbreviated descriptions would be nice, basic info for certain things like fighting style (what style?), pact magic ( what pact?), archetypes ( what archetype?), favored enemies and so on are essential.
Same thing happens on iOS 10. Don't think it's a Beyond issue--the iOS built in PDF viewer doesn't like form filled PDFs in general. Try to open the output file into another app--PDF Expert, OneNote, Evernote etc.
Opened the file with Reader and everything shows up!
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Interesting. On my sheets they are checked properly when exported.
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Interesting. On my sheets they are checked properly when exported.
AD
I had that issue earlier as well however all of the characters are showing up with the proper skills checked now. so either it was something they addressed, or I had a funky export.
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Interesting. On my sheets they are checked properly when exported.
AD
I had that issue earlier as well however all of the characters are showing up with the proper skills checked now. so either it was something they addressed, or I had a funky export.
If it happened to be a Bard, we are currently filling in the bubbles for Jack of All Trades.
We went back and forth over what was more useful - the official sheet doesn't really have a way for it to work. If we get the feedback that marking it all as a reminder for Jack of All Trades, we can make the change.
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Interesting. On my sheets they are checked properly when exported.
AD
I had that issue earlier as well however all of the characters are showing up with the proper skills checked now. so either it was something they addressed, or I had a funky export.
If it happened to be a Bard, we are currently filling in the bubbles for Jack of All Trades.
We went back and forth over what was more useful - the official sheet doesn't really have a way for it to work. If we get the feedback that marking it all as a reminder for Jack of All Trades, we can make the change.
Thanks!
Ha that's it, and it isn't that bothersome especially since it is only with Bards. Thanks for the clarification on that BadEye.
Given that irregular proficiency handling isn't too uncommon, perhaps a couple of alternative treatments? Filled dot for "proficient", side line ( / ) for "half proficient" like Jack of All Trades, and perhaps something else (a star? A cross over a filled dot?) for "Expertise'd in this"?
What I'd like, however, is for the list of "proficiencies" in the box at the bottom left to only include "other proficiencies" (as it's labelled, too :p ). I don't need to see that I'm proficient in "Athletics" in two places, the dot is filled. The whole thing over there, however, prevents me from getting reminded at a glance if I'm proficient in Thieves' Tools. Or the flute.
Given that irregular proficiency handling isn't too uncommon, perhaps a couple of alternative treatments? Filled dot for "proficient", side line ( / ) for "half proficient" like Jack of All Trades, and perhaps something else (a star? A cross over a filled dot?) for "Expertise'd in this"?
Small dot in middle of bubble for half proficiency; filled bubble for proficiency; filled, circled bubble for double proficiency.
What I'd like, however, is for the list of "proficiencies" in the box at the bottom left to only include "other proficiencies" (as it's labelled, too :p ). I don't need to see that I'm proficient in "Athletics" in two places, the dot is filled. The whole thing over there, however, prevents me from getting reminded at a glance if I'm proficient in Thieves' Tools. Or the flute.
Agreed most vehemently.
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Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Interesting. On my sheets they are checked properly when exported.
AD
I had that issue earlier as well however all of the characters are showing up with the proper skills checked now. so either it was something they addressed, or I had a funky export.
If it happened to be a Bard, we are currently filling in the bubbles for Jack of All Trades.
We went back and forth over what was more useful - the official sheet doesn't really have a way for it to work. If we get the feedback that marking it all as a reminder for Jack of All Trades, we can make the change.
Thanks!
Ha that's it, and it isn't that bothersome especially since it is only with Bards. Thanks for the clarification on that BadEye.
Overall -- very very cool. Near perfect for use at tonight's game! Solid job and big thank you!!!
Ok, quick weigh in on "features and traits" discussion with a few suggestions:
1. Dump the listings that are covered on other parts of the sheet. For example: My mage lists: Arcane Recovery, Hit points, Proficiencies, and Spellcasting. But only Arcane recovery is not covered on other parts of the sheet. So, removing some of the other ones will make more room. Same with many of the racial traits.
2. Use a smaller font. The Proficiency list does require my "old man glasses," but it fits a lot in the space. I realize we may still have problems as we near 20th level, but given that most games are 1st to 12th (per Perkins and Mearl's many tweets), I think we can fit most in.
3. I know this adds to Data to enter, update, etc. But we don't need full descriptions. On my hand written sheets, for Arcane Recovery, I have # times per day, max level to recover, and phb page#. Just enough so I don't have to look it up every time I use.
Same thoughts go with proficiencies. Don't need to list skills or saving throws as they are other places on the sheet. Great to have all the tools and weapons known, but you can save space.
Other notes: DnD "Official" sheet lacks space, but I usually use Additional features and traits for" Background chosen, Background special feature, Deity chosen, etc. Maybe a poll for best place, but I would like those on sheet.
Took a look at my 11th level cleric and have one more suggestion: Features that affect combat can print under Attacks and Spellcasting. Example: Divine Strike fits better there. Halfling lucky would fit in both the margin of saving throws and attacks. etc.
I know this adds data complexity, additional parms on every feat, but it would help if data needed to play was in the right place and had info to avoid having to open book. Everything that affects saves in the margin of that box, everything that affects an attack in that box, etc.
Again, Big thanks!!!! Wish I could either buy the team a beer or grant them inspiration in their next play session!
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I still don't see why it should be form fillable though. I envisaged this as something to print before a game so that I don't get players distracted by their phones the whole time.
But to achieve that then the values for things likely to change during the game would need to be formatted differently. E.g. hit points, gold, etc could be printed but in half tone/grey so they can easily be overwritten by hand.
Also consider using checkboxes for spell slots, perhaps?
So make it not form fillable...? I'm using DDB to make the character so why would I care if the pdf can be form filled?
I'm guessing they would need to add an extra level of rendering to do this. Not impossible, but it would be a generic sheet that gets dynamically filled, thus the form fillable. This also allows players to modify pre printing. I definitely see it as more as a desktop thing than mobile.
My two thoughts were to second being able to duplicate characters (for a template and practical) and to have maybe an extra page on the character sheets that is basically the elaboration of all the titles. So you could have say "Fey Ancestry" only (pr anything) and on the last page have the title and full description for reference, basically, just a reference sheet attached to the end.
From my point of view, it doesn't need to be a PDF but it should be printable. It could be a printable version of the web page that includes the full feature text, but I would prefer the extraneous features/traits removed (ie Hit Points) and summarised descriptions rather than full descriptions. Feature names do little for me (still new to 5e).
Loving the work so far.
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Thanks!
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I just made a random character to try out the export, it has not been shared.
Looks like the only bug I can find in it so far is that when you export the sheet, all the skills are ticked as proficient. The totals are tallied properly, they just all have the bubble filled in.
Given that irregular proficiency handling isn't too uncommon, perhaps a couple of alternative treatments? Filled dot for "proficient", side line ( / ) for "half proficient" like Jack of All Trades, and perhaps something else (a star? A cross over a filled dot?) for "Expertise'd in this"?
What I'd like, however, is for the list of "proficiencies" in the box at the bottom left to only include "other proficiencies" (as it's labelled, too :p ). I don't need to see that I'm proficient in "Athletics" in two places, the dot is filled. The whole thing over there, however, prevents me from getting reminded at a glance if I'm proficient in Thieves' Tools. Or the flute.
Small dot in middle of bubble for half proficiency; filled bubble for proficiency; filled, circled bubble for double proficiency.
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Overall -- very very cool. Near perfect for use at tonight's game! Solid job and big thank you!!!
Ok, quick weigh in on "features and traits" discussion with a few suggestions:
1. Dump the listings that are covered on other parts of the sheet. For example: My mage lists: Arcane Recovery, Hit points, Proficiencies, and Spellcasting. But only Arcane recovery is not covered on other parts of the sheet. So, removing some of the other ones will make more room. Same with many of the racial traits.
2. Use a smaller font. The Proficiency list does require my "old man glasses," but it fits a lot in the space. I realize we may still have problems as we near 20th level, but given that most games are 1st to 12th (per Perkins and Mearl's many tweets), I think we can fit most in.
3. I know this adds to Data to enter, update, etc. But we don't need full descriptions. On my hand written sheets, for Arcane Recovery, I have # times per day, max level to recover, and phb page#. Just enough so I don't have to look it up every time I use.
Same thoughts go with proficiencies. Don't need to list skills or saving throws as they are other places on the sheet. Great to have all the tools and weapons known, but you can save space.
Other notes: DnD "Official" sheet lacks space, but I usually use Additional features and traits for" Background chosen, Background special feature, Deity chosen, etc. Maybe a poll for best place, but I would like those on sheet.
Took a look at my 11th level cleric and have one more suggestion: Features that affect combat can print under Attacks and Spellcasting. Example: Divine Strike fits better there. Halfling lucky would fit in both the margin of saving throws and attacks. etc.
I know this adds data complexity, additional parms on every feat, but it would help if data needed to play was in the right place and had info to avoid having to open book. Everything that affects saves in the margin of that box, everything that affects an attack in that box, etc.
Again, Big thanks!!!! Wish I could either buy the team a beer or grant them inspiration in their next play session!
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DM -- Elanon -- Homebrew world
Gronn -- Tiefling Warlock -- Amarath
Slim -- Halfling Cleric -- CoS (future Lord of Waterdeep 😁)
Bran -- Human Wizard - RoT
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So make it not form fillable...? I'm using DDB to make the character so why would I care if the pdf can be form filled?
File works on iOS when opened in Adobe Acrobat.
I still don't see why it should be form fillable though. I envisaged this as something to print before a game so that I don't get players distracted by their phones the whole time.
But to achieve that then the values for things likely to change during the game would need to be formatted differently. E.g. hit points, gold, etc could be printed but in half tone/grey so they can easily be overwritten by hand.
Also consider using checkboxes for spell slots, perhaps?
HartlessD20, even if I wait a minute between retries to export the character sheet it consistently says 403.
My two cents on features and traits on export:
From my point of view, it doesn't need to be a PDF but it should be printable. It could be a printable version of the web page that includes the full feature text, but I would prefer the extraneous features/traits removed (ie Hit Points) and summarised descriptions rather than full descriptions. Feature names do little for me (still new to 5e).
Loving the work so far.