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When you use the scimitar-ish weapon from flame blade, you do not take the attack action, so you cannot use it with two weapon fighting.

 

Can you cite a source for that?  Because I can cite a source saying you do take the Attack action:

You use the Attack action to make a melee or ranged attack.

The action flame blade enables has no specified name but is used to make a melee attack.

So barring additional information to the contrary, that sounds like the Attack action to me. 

 Flame Blade specifically use your action to attack, so you can't take Attack action as well.

Can't take the attack action? Uh...

You can absolutely take the attack action to attack with it. You can attack with anything. You think you can't make an attack with a blade that is similar in size and shape to a scimitar? Why? Says who?

Is there a default Action option built into the spell? Yes. Is that action the Attack Action? No. Can you instead attack with the flame blade with an Attack Action anyway? Sure, of course.

Will it do exactly the damage the spell says? NOPE. You're instead following improvised weapon rules. So your DM will need to adjudicate the result.

For a Scimitar-like blade, made of flame? I'd treat it exactly like a scimitar except it deals fire instead of slashing damage, obviously. That's how I'd rule it as a DM. But DMs could have varying opinions on that. I'd lean into this rule:

Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.

 

So you'd treat it exactly like you would any other improvised weapon if they opt to use the attack action to attack with it. You wouldn't use the spell's damage in this case because you're not using it as prescribed by the spell, and instead opting to use it as an improvised weapon, so it would deal damage as prescribed for improvised weapons.

 So, by that logic, the Tavern Brawler feat makes you proficient with every weapon and lets you grapple as a bonus action. 

If your DM says so, sure.

Improvised Weapon rules give your DM a ton of creative freedom to just decide how things work. He can decide to treat the object you're attacking with like a weapon, or an improvised weapon, he can allow or not allow proficiency. He can set the damage die. Lots of freedom is granted, by RAW, to the DM here.

So much so that they're free to treat a magically conjured blade of flame as a scimitar if they so choose. It'd be entirely inline with the RAW if they did too.

As written, you can use your action to make a melee spell attack with the fiery blade. Using your action to do anything else with it is not within the spell's purview and would thus require DM's adjucation if a flame blade can be used as an improvised weapon or not.

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Using your action to do anything else with it is not within the spell's purview and would thus require DM's adjucation if a flame blade can be used as an improvised weapon or not.

Yes exactly. In precisely the same RAW way the DM must adjudicate all improvised weapon usage.

Quick question. I am trying out a TWF and me and my dm were confused on something.... Do i still add my proficiency bonus to the hit roll for my free action attack?

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Quick question. I am trying out a TWF and me and my dm were confused on something.... Do i still add my proficiency bonus to the hit roll for my free action attack?

 Yes, your to-hit for the bonus action TWF attack is the same as if you were making a regular attack: proficiency bonus + ability modifier. You just don't add your ability modifier to the damage roll, unless you have the Two-Weapon Fighting Style.

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Quick question. I am trying out a TWF and me and my dm were confused on something.... Do i still add my proficiency bonus to the hit roll for my free action attack?

 let's us be clear... you dont have a free attack action !
if you use the attack action, you can then make 1 attack using your bonus action.
thats not free. it requires your bonus action to do it.

so let's say you use action surge... you cannot make a second bonus action attack if you have already used it.

I have a blade singer wizard in my party. he is 8th level. he has two weapon fighting (light weapons). using extra attack, is he able to make his melee attack, cast a cantrip as a bonus action, and then make his second swing of his off-hand weapon? or any order of that: cast a spell and then make two melee attacks, or make two melee attacks and then cast.... basically, can he get three attacks per turn, every turn? --two weapons attacks plus his spell/cantrip?

i was saying no, even with all the new 5e rules. am i wrong? 3 attacks (2 melee attacks and a spell/cantrip every turn seems a bit broken to me).

thanks

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I have a blade singer wizard in my party. he is 8th level. he has two weapon fighting (light weapons). using extra attack, is he able to make his melee attack, cast a cantrip as a bonus action, and then make his second swing of his off-hand weapon? or any order of that: cast a spell and then make two melee attacks, or make two melee attacks and then cast.... basically, can he get three attacks per turn, every turn? --two weapons attacks plus his spell/cantrip?

i was saying no, even with all the new 5e rules. am i wrong? 3 attacks (2 melee attacks and a spell/cantrip every turn seems a bit broken to me).

thanks

Yep. 3 attacks.

Attack+Extra Attack+Bonus Action OffhandTWF Attack
or
Attack+Cantrip+Bonus Action OffhandTWF Attack

The only real restriction here is that the bonus action TWF attack can't come before he makes at least one attack with his melee weapon in his other hand first. But he can otherwise mix up the order a good bit. And for sure do 3 attacks by using both his action and bonus action.

Thank you for the prompt and helpful reply! game on!! :) 

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I have a blade singer wizard in my party. he is 8th level. he has two weapon fighting (light weapons). using extra attack, is he able to make his melee attack, cast a cantrip as a bonus action, and then make his second swing of his off-hand weapon? or any order of that: cast a spell and then make two melee attacks, or make two melee attacks and then cast.... basically, can he get three attacks per turn, every turn? --two weapons attacks plus his spell/cantrip?

i was saying no, even with all the new 5e rules. am i wrong? 3 attacks (2 melee attacks and a spell/cantrip every turn seems a bit broken to me).

thanks

Yep. 3 attacks.

Attack+Extra Attack+Bonus Action OffhandTWF Attack
or
Attack+Cantrip+Bonus Action OffhandTWF Attack

The only real restriction here is that the bonus action TWF attack can't come before he makes at least one attack with his melee weapon in his other hand first. But he can otherwise mix up the order a good bit. And for sure do 3 attacks by using both his action and bonus action.

 This is broadly true but there is a wrinkle to watch out for as a Bladesinger. Be careful about the spell components required by the cantrip you cast. Fire Bolt for example has verbal and somatic components and so requires a free hand (unless you have the Warcaster feat.) Similarly, spells that require material components need to have the material component satisfied. This means finding a Ruby of the War Mage or similar.

Freshly back in a campaign after years of not playing. Ran a quick one shot with Half-Orc Paladin to get reacquainted, but now that we're starting the campaign I need some help on this:

I have a Halfling Bard. Level 1. 0 xp.

--> if I have a short sword in one hand, dagger in the other, I can /ACTION:Attack once with short sword, using bonuses, and then use my/BONUS ACTION: Attack with my dagger? 

Do you have any source material reference to back this? The verbiage I've found just seems to be kind of vague-- two weapon fighting is referenced as afeat and also sort of isolated from 'feat-talk', so I'm just looking for some guidance... And maybe a page number so I can point to it at my session tomorrow when I start owning Icewind Dale

Two-Weapon fighting is something that anyone can do. Yes, you could make an attack with either weapon and apply both your Dex modifier and your PB to the attack roll, and add your Dex modifier to the damage roll. Then you could make an attack with the other weapon adding both to the attack roll again, but you would add nothing to the die roll for damage for the bonus action attack.

Two-Weapon Fighting (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/combat#TwoWeaponFighting)

When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand. You don’t add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus attack, unless that modifier is negative.

If either weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon, instead of making a melee attack with it.

If you also had the Two-Weapon Fighting Style too, then you would add your Dex modifier to the damage roll for the bonus action attack.

Two-Weapon Fighting (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/classes#TwoWeaponFighting)

When you engage in two-weapon fighting, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of the second attack.

If you had the Dual Wielder feat, then you could do additional things, such as using two rapiers for example: (https://www.dndbeyond.com/feats/dual-wielder).

Baseline TWF that everyone can do with no investment:

• Both weapons must have the Light property
• Main hand damage is the weapon's damage + ability modifier
• Off hand damage is the weapon's damage without the ability modifier unless it's negative

TWF with the Two-Weapon Fighting Style class feature: 

• Both weapons must have the Light property
• Main hand and off hand damage is the weapon's damage + ability modifier

TWF with the Dual Wielder feat:

• Neither weapon needs the Light property. You can use Versatile weapons such as the Longsword
• Main hand damage is the weapon's damage + ability modifier
• Off hand damage is the weapon's damage without the ability modifier unless it's negative

TWF with Dual Wielder and Two-Weapon Fighting Style:

• Neither weapon needs the Light property. You can use Versatile weapons such as the Longsword
• Main hand and off hand damage is the weapon's damage + ability modifier

I already said that 3 hours ago.

It's a six-year-old thread, so I think we've moved well past who said it first.

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It's a six-year-old thread, so I think we've moved well past who said it first.

 
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In regards to this topic. I have a 3rd leve Ranger that is dule welding he has two weapon fighting as well. My GM has said that my off hand doesn't get my to hit modiferim unsure why! The rules say to gain the full bouns the off hand is a different weapon. Is that saying the character has to have different light weapons short sword and one other light weapon or can the character weild two short swords and get all bouns. I'm just trying to figure out why he's saying it as I can't find it it the book. 

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In regards to this topic. I have a 3rd leve Ranger that is dule welding he has two weapon fighting as well. My GM has said that my off hand doesn't get my to hit modiferim unsure why! The rules say to gain the full bouns the off hand is a different weapon. Is that saying the character has to have different light weapons short sword and one other light weapon or can the character weild two short swords and get all bouns. I'm just trying to figure out why he's saying it as I can't find it it the book. 

 If you are proficient in both weapons (which I assume you are) and have the Light property, your “to-hit” is roll a d20 and add your ability score modifier + Proficiency bonus. This applies to both weapons. Only the damage of the second weapon would not get your ability score modifier if you don’t have the TWF style (which you said you do so would add the modifier to both weapon rolls). Once you hit level 5 in Ranger you get extra attack so will have 3 attacks (2 as the Attack action and 1 as bonus action) 

That's what I thought thank you. 

Hello from 2025!

I know there’s been adjustments to GWF since 2014 but I had a question re: your averages, Inquisitive. 
How did you arrive at (8.66+Mod)?

I looked at it as 1/3 of the time you’d reroll and get an average of 3.5, and 2/3 of the time you’d keep the result and get an average of 4.5. When taking the combined average that’s (1/3*3.5)+(2/3*4.5) or 4.167. Times two gives me 8.33. I was wondering if I was missing something or if a simple error was made in entering in your initial post. Let me know!