I'd give it even odds between a Psion class and psionic subclasses, since they said they abandoned the Mystic and incorporated its remains into spells and subclass features, but the demand for a class is still high. I think the three classes I've seen the most demand for is a 4e Warlord-esque class, which we haven't seen anything for, Psionics in some fashion, which got cannibalized into subclasses, and a dedicated Summoner class, which seems to be going the same way as Psion right now as spread subclasses rather than a dedicated class.
Or my sample size is just the loudest people in the forums and I have no idea what I'm talking about
As another fun aside, what is a UA that would feel completely out of left field right now?
Something unexpected, but not entirely unreasonable
Something that has actual quality.
Jokes aside, WotC barely listen to UA feedback anyway (and when they do, they don't listen well, a la Strixhaven), so I'd be actually somewhat surprised to see any UA of any type come out before 5.2e (assuming M3 means we're in 5.1e now), but if we DO see a UA, it won't be for subclasses or anything, it will all be for lineages. Or rather, races, as WotC has decided to continue calling them a scientific and culturally inaccurate name, despite all the work done to change it in 2020 with Tasha's and again in 2021 with Van Richten's.
We won't see anything other than races from UA for the remainder of 5.1e is my bet.
I think UA for the next two years will largely be revisions to PHB/DMG/MM material. We know new versions of those books are coming in 2024, and I believe one of the events they held mentioned that a lot of revisions would be dependent on community feedback. That sounds like UA and surveys to me.
I think UA for the next two years will largely be revisions to PHB/DMG/MM material. We know new versions of those books are coming in 2024, and I believe one of the events they held mentioned that a lot of revisions would be dependent on community feedback. That sounds like UA and surveys to me.
Hopefully we will see a lot of this soon. Two years may seem like a long time, but it really isn't for a project as big as this.
I think UA for the next two years will largely be revisions to PHB/DMG/MM material. We know new versions of those books are coming in 2024, and I believe one of the events they held mentioned that a lot of revisions would be dependent on community feedback. That sounds like UA and surveys to me.
While I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some UA for material for the core book revisions, we are also suppose to be getting two more older campaign setting revised for 5e this year, (three were announce and Ravenloft was the first), as well as one returning setting book from a setting that was already touched on in 5e (so Forgotten Realms, Eberron, and Exandria as those are the big three), as well as two whole new campaign settings. While it was mentioned that not every single one of these might pan out, some of them at least should.
We already have the races of the multiverse UA that heavily implies Spelljammer, though also has potential elements of Planescape (Astral Elves) and Dark Sun (Thri-kreen). It isn’t even a stretch that this could be for multiple books. The Feywild races UA ended up covering three books (Fairy and Harengon for Beyond the Witchlight, Owlin for Strixhaven, and Hobgoblin for Multiverse of Monsters).
So I think that they will sprinkle UA for the revised core books among UA for the new setting books (and other potential books such as more player option heavy books similar to Tasha’s or Xanathar’s).
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Critically, I think it's worth pointing out that Thri-Kreen were also an option in Spelljammer. I believe the only races in the Multiverse UA that weren't were Astral Elves, or more critically, their obvious antecedents, Star Elves. However, with a name like that, they could easily slide in thematically.
Now that said, I still think we aren't getting Spelljammer or Planescape, but rather a hybrid. A Spellscape or Planejammer. Something where your ship travels within the wildspace of a Crystal Sphere (or similar concept), then the phlogiston connects not only Crystal Spheres containing other worlds of the Material Plane (Krynn, Toril, Athas, etc) but other planes as well, and Sigil is a sort of hub station or spaceport within the phlogiston, something like Knowhere in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
I know that'll cheese off the grogs, but I think if nothing else, Ravenloft proved that's not a huge concern of WotC's.
I actually picture not so much a merger of literal planescape and spelljammer; but rather a 'setting' book that's more a guide to getting around to different prime material worlds and planes. So you can keep the crystal sphere phlogiston cosmology, but scrap Sigil and the Factions and instead introduce Spelljamming ships, Dream of the Blue Veil, gates, the Infinite Staircase, the River Styx etc. Planescape is dense even with just its core book and I see a product that more about facilitating planar travel and intra prime material travel with some reference to inter planar or inter world markets and society and conspiracies and the like, but remove any sense of canonical governanance or structure. It'd ultimately be more a toolkit for travel among worlds than a defined setting.
I also don't believe the Thri-Kreen were brought in as a race for Dark Sun. They're already a monster in the MM as setting agnostic setting and savana dwellers. With the plasmoid and hadozeen, you got the core races of Star Frontiers so I'm picturing more races that travel amongst the phlogiston than a race bound to a specific setting (especially since it's already been unbound as a monster).
I also don't believe the Thri-Kreen were brought in as a race for Dark Sun. They're already a monster in the MM as setting agnostic setting and savana dwellers.
They were originally introduced as a playable race for Dark Sun forever ago. However, I doubt their inclusion in the UA heralds Dark Sun for all the reasons most people don’t think we’ll be getting DS as a supported setting anytime soon.
Right, I meant the Thri Kreen weren't brought into the UA for DS, but as a Vrusk stand in alongisde the Plasmoid and Yazireans whose D&D name I keep forgetting Hazwhateveree.
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It gives everyone Pack Tactics and makes everyone a Rogue, which essentially devalues both those things. My concern is less that it's overpowered (it is, but not really a lot) so much as that it steps on toes and makes existing choices less impactful.
One way to incorporate it but not make it overtly crazy is instead of ADV its a +2 to hit....kind of like reverse cover.
You know that mathematically, advantage is only a +3.5ish bonus, right? I worked it out when the Avenger came out for 4e. Yeah just double checked, +3.325
It gives everyone Pack Tactics and makes everyone a Rogue, which essentially devalues both those things. My concern is less that it's overpowered (it is, but not really a lot) so much as that it steps on toes and makes existing choices less impactful.
One way to incorporate it but not make it overtly crazy is instead of ADV its a +2 to hit....kind of like reverse cover.
You know that mathematically, advantage is only a +3.5ish bonus, right? I worked it out when the Avenger came out for 4e.
The PHB (or maybe its the DMG) states that advantage/disadvantage is closer to a +5/-5 to the roll
That's for simplicity's sake, it doesn't represent any accurate math.
I suppose thats fair. I havent seen the math in either case, so I really dont know.
That being said, with respect to Charwoman_Gene's original comment advantage/disadvantage is still stronger than a +/- 3.5 bonus because rolling an additional die gives you another chance to crit/crit fail that a flat bonus does not, which is big for characters like rogues and paladins
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I do admit that the increased crits and situational bonuses do make advantage better than just the increased average die results. There is also the factor of the possibility different target numbers might show ranges where advantage is better or worse than a flat bonus. I’m not somewhere I can easily do the math but there is a lot to consider.
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I'd give it even odds between a Psion class and psionic subclasses, since they said they abandoned the Mystic and incorporated its remains into spells and subclass features, but the demand for a class is still high. I think the three classes I've seen the most demand for is a 4e Warlord-esque class, which we haven't seen anything for, Psionics in some fashion, which got cannibalized into subclasses, and a dedicated Summoner class, which seems to be going the same way as Psion right now as spread subclasses rather than a dedicated class.
Or my sample size is just the loudest people in the forums and I have no idea what I'm talking about
As another fun aside, what is a UA that would feel completely out of left field right now?
Something unexpected, but not entirely unreasonable
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A dwarf focused UA would be a huge surprise.
I haven't seen much about them in some time and no setting that is anticipated has special dwarves so it would be completely unexpected.
Another attempt at non-spellcasting Psionics would be a shocker.
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I'd love this. My current campaign could really use some 5e arctic and wild dwarfs, and I wouldn't say no to urdunnir and/or mul either.
Something that has actual quality.
Jokes aside, WotC barely listen to UA feedback anyway (and when they do, they don't listen well, a la Strixhaven), so I'd be actually somewhat surprised to see any UA of any type come out before 5.2e (assuming M3 means we're in 5.1e now), but if we DO see a UA, it won't be for subclasses or anything, it will all be for lineages. Or rather, races, as WotC has decided to continue calling them a scientific and culturally inaccurate name, despite all the work done to change it in 2020 with Tasha's and again in 2021 with Van Richten's.
We won't see anything other than races from UA for the remainder of 5.1e is my bet.
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I think UA for the next two years will largely be revisions to PHB/DMG/MM material. We know new versions of those books are coming in 2024, and I believe one of the events they held mentioned that a lot of revisions would be dependent on community feedback. That sounds like UA and surveys to me.
Hopefully we will see a lot of this soon. Two years may seem like a long time, but it really isn't for a project as big as this.
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I mean, how long was the totality of the D&DNext project?
It's a long time for the plebes waiting to see it, not remotely a long time for the people having to actually write and publish it.
Exactly
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While I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some UA for material for the core book revisions, we are also suppose to be getting two more older campaign setting revised for 5e this year, (three were announce and Ravenloft was the first), as well as one returning setting book from a setting that was already touched on in 5e (so Forgotten Realms, Eberron, and Exandria as those are the big three), as well as two whole new campaign settings. While it was mentioned that not every single one of these might pan out, some of them at least should.
We already have the races of the multiverse UA that heavily implies Spelljammer, though also has potential elements of Planescape (Astral Elves) and Dark Sun (Thri-kreen). It isn’t even a stretch that this could be for multiple books. The Feywild races UA ended up covering three books (Fairy and Harengon for Beyond the Witchlight, Owlin for Strixhaven, and Hobgoblin for Multiverse of Monsters).
So I think that they will sprinkle UA for the revised core books among UA for the new setting books (and other potential books such as more player option heavy books similar to Tasha’s or Xanathar’s).
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Critically, I think it's worth pointing out that Thri-Kreen were also an option in Spelljammer. I believe the only races in the Multiverse UA that weren't were Astral Elves, or more critically, their obvious antecedents, Star Elves. However, with a name like that, they could easily slide in thematically.
Now that said, I still think we aren't getting Spelljammer or Planescape, but rather a hybrid. A Spellscape or Planejammer. Something where your ship travels within the wildspace of a Crystal Sphere (or similar concept), then the phlogiston connects not only Crystal Spheres containing other worlds of the Material Plane (Krynn, Toril, Athas, etc) but other planes as well, and Sigil is a sort of hub station or spaceport within the phlogiston, something like Knowhere in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
I know that'll cheese off the grogs, but I think if nothing else, Ravenloft proved that's not a huge concern of WotC's.
I actually picture not so much a merger of literal planescape and spelljammer; but rather a 'setting' book that's more a guide to getting around to different prime material worlds and planes. So you can keep the crystal sphere phlogiston cosmology, but scrap Sigil and the Factions and instead introduce Spelljamming ships, Dream of the Blue Veil, gates, the Infinite Staircase, the River Styx etc. Planescape is dense even with just its core book and I see a product that more about facilitating planar travel and intra prime material travel with some reference to inter planar or inter world markets and society and conspiracies and the like, but remove any sense of canonical governanance or structure. It'd ultimately be more a toolkit for travel among worlds than a defined setting.
I also don't believe the Thri-Kreen were brought in as a race for Dark Sun. They're already a monster in the MM as setting agnostic setting and savana dwellers. With the plasmoid and hadozeen, you got the core races of Star Frontiers so I'm picturing more races that travel amongst the phlogiston than a race bound to a specific setting (especially since it's already been unbound as a monster).
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They were originally introduced as a playable race for Dark Sun forever ago. However, I doubt their inclusion in the UA heralds Dark Sun for all the reasons most people don’t think we’ll be getting DS as a supported setting anytime soon.
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Right, I meant the Thri Kreen weren't brought into the UA for DS, but as a Vrusk stand in alongisde the Plasmoid and Yazireans whose D&D name I keep forgetting Hazwhateveree.
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You know that mathematically, advantage is only a +3.5ish bonus, right? I worked it out when the Avenger came out for 4e. Yeah just double checked, +3.325
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The PHB (or maybe its the DMG) states that advantage/disadvantage is closer to a +5/-5 to the roll
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That's for simplicity's sake, it doesn't represent any accurate math.
I suppose thats fair. I havent seen the math in either case, so I really dont know.
That being said, with respect to Charwoman_Gene's original comment advantage/disadvantage is still stronger than a +/- 3.5 bonus because rolling an additional die gives you another chance to crit/crit fail that a flat bonus does not, which is big for characters like rogues and paladins
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I do admit that the increased crits and situational bonuses do make advantage better than just the increased average die results. There is also the factor of the possibility different target numbers might show ranges where advantage is better or worse than a flat bonus. I’m not somewhere I can easily do the math but there is a lot to consider.
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