I also haven't heard of them not being sold or to stop being sold down the line, I believe that if you wantvto use the races the way they are now if you purchase all of the books you can. I believe that for those that have all of the books listed making a character is a choice the player makes during generation.
Dnd beyond has gone on record as saying that the content from the Monster of the Multiverse book will be kept separate from all the other content on dndbeyond even if there is overlap. You will be able to use either without one overriding the other, so both will be valid character creation options. You will still be able to purchase any of the books, so long as Dndbeyond maintains its contract with Wizards of the Coast and/or is able to stay in business.
Besides, those books include stuff other than player races. Volo's even has dungeon maps! It's not as if the books will become obsolete when MMM drops, even if you do feel that the races will effectively be overwritten by their MMM counterparts.
Apparently it was mentioned in a recent dev update. I haven't watched them myself (can't) and there are no transcripts, but if someone who has watched it wants to comment, if not a staff member or mod, that'd be the place to look for a quote.
Apparently it was mentioned in a recent dev update. I haven't watched them myself (can't) and there are no transcripts, but if someone who has watched it wants to comment, if not a staff member or mod, that'd be the place to look for a quote.
I saw that comment in another forum post. I watch the dev updates (as VOD), and do not remember this ever being said. I thought maybe it was said in yesterday’s update, which I hadn’t watched yet. But when I checked this morning, there wasn’t one from yesterday. So I’m not sure where that idea originated from.
I didn't see the dev update, but I did see it raised, and folks reacting to raising in the comments to Davyd's FAQ for the release, though that FAQ didn't imply in any way that the books would be removed from the marketplace. You need to drill down, but both books are still listed on WotC's website. The books are available in similar numbers as everything else 5e at my FLGS, and are listed in Amazon etc.
My sense is this is conjecture, not wild conjecture, it's entirely plausible that WotC would stop printing Volo's and Mord'sFoeTome when MMM goes into general release (given that the bestiary content is updates to those two books), but really the real question to be asked is "Are Volo's and Mord's going out of print with the release of MMM, and if so what is to become of the the versions available on D&D Beyond's Marketplace?"
I think the answer is sorta on WotC and real markets. Both books are still on shelves, I don't think WotC can order (and reimburse) print outlets, including Amazon, to return the books to WotC so WotC could pulp these remainders, so even if MMM "officially replaces" the two books, I think there's enough inventory in physical retail that the books will be available for some time (maybe at a clearance level, I don't know). I imagine DDB will have to comply with their relationship with WotC; but we've been told owners of the older content will still have access to them (at least I think so, the FAQ was longer than it needed to be and was oddly circuitous in some parts especially on the races, and in the comment thread it seems to have furthered some confusion, even on stuff I thought the FAQ made solid articulations). If that is true, it may be a weird place for DDB where some users will have access to "legacy" content, and newer users may have to homebrew said content, etc.
If the books are going out of print, I don't know if we'll know from DDB soon as it took them some time for DDB to state when they'd be offering MMM and even longer (yesterday) to give an effort at explaining how that's going to work.
I gotta say for a "look at the future" WotC has done a spectacular hash in explaining MMM. I'm not just talking about here on DDB, the broader gaming press seems sorta lost on the book, and it's actually in print. I haven't seen a 5e release in the past two years, including Tasha's, where there was more confusion about the book's purpose and function.
On the dev update on Thursday, it was announced that the old books will still be accessible to you on DDB if you've purchased them but would no longer be available for purchase once the new book is released.
On the dev update on Thursday, it was announced that the old books will still be accessible to you on DDB if you've purchased them but would no longer be available for purchase once the new book is released.
On the dev update on Thursday, it was announced that the old books will still be accessible to you on DDB if you've purchased them but would no longer be available for purchase once the new book is released.
That's a shame. MMM if I remember lacks the deeper dives into Blood War, Elven History, etc you found in the earlier books (yeah, the MM touches on some of that ground but MToF or VGtM do provide a deeper layer). I get the setting agnostic drive, but these "legacy lore books", are good inspiration of how to think about fleshing out a given monster in your campaign, whether you adopt the particulars in the book or do you own thing (which was tacitly encouraged in the disclaimer at least for Volo's that the whole work "is, like one dude's opinion, man"). I wonder if a compromise could be had where the compendium content of such legacy books could be maintained in the marketplace. It's moot for me, as I have them (and the ones in print are lack the errata aside from the sheets I printed out and inserted into them) but on the non stat block side there is some good stuff to mine, including in the current post errata controversy versions).
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I'm not sure if it's uploaded to YouTube yet. I was there live and heard it with my own ears though if that helps!
It does not, you can link the twitch VOD tho
There is no twitch VOD for a dev update on Thursday March 24. At least not that I can find. And I listen to the Dev Updates by VOD every week, so I usually know where to find them.
On Twitter they announced they were doing a dev update about MMM on the 24th, but it doesn't seem like there is any video of it yet.
Makes me think there may have been some wrong information in it because the team is usually very quick about getting it to youtube ( sine twitch has a direct pipeline to upload vod to youtube) and the vod is gone from twitch. This purely conjecture on my part though.
After researching this additionally, two people (one person in this thread and one person in the comments of the FAQ for Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse) heard D&D Beyond state in their 3/24 dev update that Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes will become unpurchaseable on D&D Beyond when Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse releases. Trying to validate this, I could not, as the dev update appears to be missing/withdrawn/not posted.
So is this fake news? Or did D&D Beyond speak out of turn?
Assuming this is not fake news, I can understand why WotC would stop printing physicals copies, but why would they stop allowing further distribution of electronic copies?
After researching this additionally, two people (one person in this thread and one person in the comments of the FAQ for Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse) heard D&D Beyond state in their 3/24 dev update that Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes will become unpurchaseable on D&D Beyond when Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse releases. Trying to validate this, I could not, as the dev update appears to be missing/withdrawn/not posted.
So is this fake news? Or did D&D Beyond speak out of turn?
Assuming this is not fake news, I can understand why WotC would stop printing physicals copies, but why would they stop allowing further distribution of electronic copies?
100% fake news. I urge folks like #15 and others to not trust news from people who can't provide sources (See: People who keep saying Crawford was fired a long time ago or that sage advice isn't official). Especially since it seems like any sources in this case have been removed.
After researching this additionally, two people (one person in this thread and one person in the comments of the FAQ for Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse) heard D&D Beyond state in their 3/24 dev update that Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes will become unpurchaseable on D&D Beyond when Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse releases. Trying to validate this, I could not, as the dev update appears to be missing/withdrawn/not posted.
So is this fake news? Or did D&D Beyond speak out of turn?
Assuming this is not fake news, I can understand why WotC would stop printing physicals copies, but why would they stop allowing further distribution of electronic copies?
to be honest, until we can see something official, it's nothing more than rumour. It could be right, but there's no especial reason to believe it. It's possible htey said something before being authorised, it's possible that they said it and it's wrong. Who does know hasn't said anything official.
As for why they would take it out of digital print, as it were, costs, problems with having conflicting details/lore, and so forth. There are reasons why they might do it, which isn't to say that they will.
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When do Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes become unpurchaseable on D&D Beyond? When Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse releases?
I haven't heard anything about these books becoming unavailable on Beyond or anywhere else.
I also haven't heard of them not being sold or to stop being sold down the line, I believe that if you wantvto use the races the way they are now if you purchase all of the books you can. I believe that for those that have all of the books listed making a character is a choice the player makes during generation.
Dnd beyond has gone on record as saying that the content from the Monster of the Multiverse book will be kept separate from all the other content on dndbeyond even if there is overlap. You will be able to use either without one overriding the other, so both will be valid character creation options. You will still be able to purchase any of the books, so long as Dndbeyond maintains its contract with Wizards of the Coast and/or is able to stay in business.
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Besides, those books include stuff other than player races. Volo's even has dungeon maps! It's not as if the books will become obsolete when MMM drops, even if you do feel that the races will effectively be overwritten by their MMM counterparts.
Apparently it was mentioned in a recent dev update. I haven't watched them myself (can't) and there are no transcripts, but if someone who has watched it wants to comment, if not a staff member or mod, that'd be the place to look for a quote.
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I saw that comment in another forum post. I watch the dev updates (as VOD), and do not remember this ever being said. I thought maybe it was said in yesterday’s update, which I hadn’t watched yet. But when I checked this morning, there wasn’t one from yesterday. So I’m not sure where that idea originated from.
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I didn't see the dev update, but I did see it raised, and folks reacting to raising in the comments to Davyd's FAQ for the release, though that FAQ didn't imply in any way that the books would be removed from the marketplace. You need to drill down, but both books are still listed on WotC's website. The books are available in similar numbers as everything else 5e at my FLGS, and are listed in Amazon etc.
My sense is this is conjecture, not wild conjecture, it's entirely plausible that WotC would stop printing Volo's and Mord'sFoeTome when MMM goes into general release (given that the bestiary content is updates to those two books), but really the real question to be asked is "Are Volo's and Mord's going out of print with the release of MMM, and if so what is to become of the the versions available on D&D Beyond's Marketplace?"
I think the answer is sorta on WotC and real markets. Both books are still on shelves, I don't think WotC can order (and reimburse) print outlets, including Amazon, to return the books to WotC so WotC could pulp these remainders, so even if MMM "officially replaces" the two books, I think there's enough inventory in physical retail that the books will be available for some time (maybe at a clearance level, I don't know). I imagine DDB will have to comply with their relationship with WotC; but we've been told owners of the older content will still have access to them (at least I think so, the FAQ was longer than it needed to be and was oddly circuitous in some parts especially on the races, and in the comment thread it seems to have furthered some confusion, even on stuff I thought the FAQ made solid articulations). If that is true, it may be a weird place for DDB where some users will have access to "legacy" content, and newer users may have to homebrew said content, etc.
If the books are going out of print, I don't know if we'll know from DDB soon as it took them some time for DDB to state when they'd be offering MMM and even longer (yesterday) to give an effort at explaining how that's going to work.
I gotta say for a "look at the future" WotC has done a spectacular hash in explaining MMM. I'm not just talking about here on DDB, the broader gaming press seems sorta lost on the book, and it's actually in print. I haven't seen a 5e release in the past two years, including Tasha's, where there was more confusion about the book's purpose and function.
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Oh, I’m sure WotC will wait until supplies run low before putting those two books out of print. (Don’t wanna hose their LGS customers.)
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On the dev update on Thursday, it was announced that the old books will still be accessible to you on DDB if you've purchased them but would no longer be available for purchase once the new book is released.
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I'm not sure if it's uploaded to YouTube yet. I was there live and heard it with my own ears though if that helps!
It does not, you can link the twitch VOD tho
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That's a shame. MMM if I remember lacks the deeper dives into Blood War, Elven History, etc you found in the earlier books (yeah, the MM touches on some of that ground but MToF or VGtM do provide a deeper layer). I get the setting agnostic drive, but these "legacy lore books", are good inspiration of how to think about fleshing out a given monster in your campaign, whether you adopt the particulars in the book or do you own thing (which was tacitly encouraged in the disclaimer at least for Volo's that the whole work "is, like one dude's opinion, man"). I wonder if a compromise could be had where the compendium content of such legacy books could be maintained in the marketplace. It's moot for me, as I have them (and the ones in print are lack the errata aside from the sheets I printed out and inserted into them) but on the non stat block side there is some good stuff to mine, including in the current post errata controversy versions).
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There is no twitch VOD for a dev update on Thursday March 24. At least not that I can find. And I listen to the Dev Updates by VOD every week, so I usually know where to find them.
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On Twitter they announced they were doing a dev update about MMM on the 24th, but it doesn't seem like there is any video of it yet.
Makes me think there may have been some wrong information in it because the team is usually very quick about getting it to youtube ( sine twitch has a direct pipeline to upload vod to youtube) and the vod is gone from twitch. This purely conjecture on my part though.
Buyers Guide for D&D Beyond - Hardcover Books, D&D Beyond and You - How/What is Toggled Content?
Everything you need to know about Homebrew - Homebrew FAQ - Digital Book on D&D Beyond Vs Physical Books
Can't find the content you are supposed to have access to? Read this FAQ.
"Play the game however you want to play the game. After all, your fun doesn't threaten my fun."
After researching this additionally, two people (one person in this thread and one person in the comments of the FAQ for Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse) heard D&D Beyond state in their 3/24 dev update that Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes will become unpurchaseable on D&D Beyond when Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse releases. Trying to validate this, I could not, as the dev update appears to be missing/withdrawn/not posted.
So is this fake news? Or did D&D Beyond speak out of turn?
Assuming this is not fake news, I can understand why WotC would stop printing physicals copies, but why would they stop allowing further distribution of electronic copies?
100% fake news. I urge folks like #15 and others to not trust news from people who can't provide sources (See: People who keep saying Crawford was fired a long time ago or that sage advice isn't official). Especially since it seems like any sources in this case have been removed.
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to be honest, until we can see something official, it's nothing more than rumour. It could be right, but there's no especial reason to believe it. It's possible htey said something before being authorised, it's possible that they said it and it's wrong. Who does know hasn't said anything official.
As for why they would take it out of digital print, as it were, costs, problems with having conflicting details/lore, and so forth. There are reasons why they might do it, which isn't to say that they will.
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