So recently I started playing a fighter who took the Echo Knight subclass, and a whole fight started up about wether I can attack twice a turn (once from me and once from my echo) because of this phrasing.
Manifest Echo: 1 Bonus Action
Manifest Echo - Teleport: 1 Bonus Action
Manifest Echo - Attack: (No Action)
Manifest Echo - Opportunity Attack: 1 Reaction 5e is so vague sometimes.
Attacking from an echo is the equivalent to attacking from your character just with a different range. If your fighter can attack twice with the extra attack feature at level 5, the echo can attack twice or both the character and echo can attack once, unless you use the feature from echo knight to take another attack from your echo, so you need your action to use the attack action. I am not good at explaining but hope this helps .
I'm not sure where you're seeing that phrasing - maybe the shortened version on the character sheet? It might help to reference the full language in the class description:
As a bonus action, you can teleport, magically swapping places with your echo at a cost of 15 feet of your movement, regardless of the distance between the two of you.
When you take the Attack action on your turn, any attack you make with that action can originate from your space or the echo’s space. You make this choice for each attack.
When a creature that you can see within 5 feet of your echo moves at least 5 feet away from it, you can use your reaction to make an opportunity attack against that creature as if you were in the echo’s space.
So here, it's pretty clear: you can make your own attacks through the echo, it does not give you extra ones. The exception is a separate feature:
Unleash Incarnation
3rd-level Echo Knight feature
You can heighten your echo’s fury. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can make one additional melee attack from the echo’s position.
You can use this feature a number of times equal to your Constitution modifier (a minimum of once). You regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.
Well a more specific way of saying it is welllll the placement on the sheet It puts that stuff above the Unleash Incarnation feature and it caused a large fight between a lot of people. Because the thing says it doesn’t cost an action to attack from your echo. We figured it all out now but it was soooo stressful when all you wanted to do was crit a bandit captain.
So recently I started playing a fighter who took the Echo Knight subclass, and a whole fight started up about wether I can attack twice a turn (once from me and once from my echo) because of this phrasing.
5e is so vague sometimes.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hya! ~AkiraA_I
Attacking from an echo is the equivalent to attacking from your character just with a different range. If your fighter can attack twice with the extra attack feature at level 5, the echo can attack twice or both the character and echo can attack once, unless you use the feature from echo knight to take another attack from your echo, so you need your action to use the attack action. I am not good at explaining but hope this helps .
Manifest Echo does not provide you with an Extra Attack.
Unleash Incarnation allows you to make a single extra attack from your Echo a limited number of times per long rest.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
I'm not sure where you're seeing that phrasing - maybe the shortened version on the character sheet? It might help to reference the full language in the class description:
So here, it's pretty clear: you can make your own attacks through the echo, it does not give you extra ones. The exception is a separate feature:
Unleash Incarnation
3rd-level Echo Knight feature
You can heighten your echo’s fury. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can make one additional melee attack from the echo’s position.
You can use this feature a number of times equal to your Constitution modifier (a minimum of once). You regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.
My homebrew subclasses (full list here)
(Artificer) Swordmage | Glasswright | (Barbarian) Path of the Savage Embrace
(Bard) College of Dance | (Fighter) Warlord | Cannoneer
(Monk) Way of the Elements | (Ranger) Blade Dancer
(Rogue) DaggerMaster | Inquisitor | (Sorcerer) Riftwalker | Spellfist
(Warlock) The Swarm
Well a more specific way of saying it is welllll the placement on the sheet
It puts that stuff above the Unleash Incarnation feature and it caused a large fight between a lot of people. Because the thing says it doesn’t cost an action to attack from your echo. We figured it all out now but it was soooo stressful when all you wanted to do was crit a bandit captain.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hya! ~AkiraA_I