Aaaaah two days no posts! It’s some kind of record! LOTR LOTR LOTR
Silmarillion ☺️
The Hobbit.
And that new TV series about the Second Age.
Why are we getting so many big fantasy stuff happening rn? LotR tv show, Game of Thrones is doing (or just did, can’t remember) something, there’s another Harry Potter movie coming out.
It starts with the LotR movies, which took a genera that generally lacked wide cultural appeal--high fantasy--and made it accessible to the general public without compromising artistic integrity (RotK is tied for the most Oscars of any film). That gave us proof of concept--high fantasy, if done well, could be successful and reach a much wider audience than the traditional nerdy crowd it historically attracted.
Flash forward ten years and you have Game of Thrones. GoT was the first big budget foray into high fantasy on the small screen, and it worked extremely well. Like the LotR films, GoT was able to attract a wide audience far beyond the traditional fans of fantasy. Most of this was because George RR Martin was a television writer before he was a fantasy author, so he both had material that was ripe for adaptation for television and had the expertise to guide the talentless hacks D.B. Weiss and David Benioff to take their apparently unwatchable early drafts/pilots, and make it into something that was actually fun and mirrored the books.
Now, GoT might have dropped off in quality the second they ran out of books and Martin stepped back (see "talentless hacks" above), but the show remained popular and had a stranglehold over the genera so long as it was on the air.
And then it was going to wrap up after eight seasons. This left a void in the now-proven-successful genera of high fantasy. So we see a rush to fill that void. A new GoT show from HBO. Netflix buying the rights to Narnia. Amazon making Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. A Kingkiller Chronicle adaptation in the works. Lots of big names in fantasy got bought up and are being rushed to the screen, all in an effort to claim the proverbial Iron Throne from GoT.
Aaaaah two days no posts! It’s some kind of record! LOTR LOTR LOTR
Silmarillion ☺️
The Hobbit.
And that new TV series about the Second Age.
Why are we getting so many big fantasy stuff happening rn? LotR tv show, Game of Thrones is doing (or just did, can’t remember) something, there’s another Harry Potter movie coming out.
It starts with the LotR movies, which took a genera that generally lacked wide cultural appeal--high fantasy--and made it accessible to the general public without compromising artistic integrity (RotK is tied for the most Oscars of any film). That gave us proof of concept--high fantasy, if done well, could be successful and reach a much wider audience than the traditional nerdy crowd it historically attracted.
Flash forward ten years and you have Game of Thrones. GoT was the first big budget foray into high fantasy on the small screen, and it worked extremely well. Like the LotR films, GoT was able to attract a wide audience far beyond the traditional fans of fantasy. Most of this was because George RR Martin was a television writer before he was a fantasy author, so he both had material that was ripe for adaptation for television and had the expertise to guide the talentless hacks D.B. Weiss and David Benioff to take their apparently unwatchable early drafts/pilots, and make it into something that was actually fun and mirrored the books.
Now, GoT might have dropped off in quality the second they ran out of books and Martin stepped back (see "talentless hacks" above), but the show remained popular and had a stranglehold over the genera so long as it was on the air.
And then it was going to wrap up after eight seasons. This left a void in the now-proven-successful genera of high fantasy. So we see a rush to fill that void. A new GoT show from HBO. Netflix buying the rights to Narnia. Amazon making Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. A Kingkiller Chronicle adaptation in the works. Lots of big names in fantasy got bought up and are being rushed to the screen, all in an effort to claim the proverbial Iron Throne from GoT.
LotR’s gonna flatten GoT.
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Aaaaah two days no posts! It’s some kind of record! LOTR LOTR LOTR
Silmarillion ☺️
The Hobbit.
And that new TV series about the Second Age.
Why are we getting so many big fantasy stuff happening rn? LotR tv show, Game of Thrones is doing (or just did, can’t remember) something, there’s another Harry Potter movie coming out.
It starts with the LotR movies, which took a genera that generally lacked wide cultural appeal--high fantasy--and made it accessible to the general public without compromising artistic integrity (RotK is tied for the most Oscars of any film). That gave us proof of concept--high fantasy, if done well, could be successful and reach a much wider audience than the traditional nerdy crowd it historically attracted.
Flash forward ten years and you have Game of Thrones. GoT was the first big budget foray into high fantasy on the small screen, and it worked extremely well. Like the LotR films, GoT was able to attract a wide audience far beyond the traditional fans of fantasy. Most of this was because George RR Martin was a television writer before he was a fantasy author, so he both had material that was ripe for adaptation for television and had the expertise to guide the talentless hacks D.B. Weiss and David Benioff to take their apparently unwatchable early drafts/pilots, and make it into something that was actually fun and mirrored the books.
Now, GoT might have dropped off in quality the second they ran out of books and Martin stepped back (see "talentless hacks" above), but the show remained popular and had a stranglehold over the genera so long as it was on the air.
And then it was going to wrap up after eight seasons. This left a void in the now-proven-successful genera of high fantasy. So we see a rush to fill that void. A new GoT show from HBO. Netflix buying the rights to Narnia. Amazon making Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. A Kingkiller Chronicle adaptation in the works. Lots of big names in fantasy got bought up and are being rushed to the screen, all in an effort to claim the proverbial Iron Throne from GoT.
LotR’s gonna flatten GoT.
I would not make that assumption. GoT has every advantage over the LotR show other than budget from a show development stance.
1. It had source material, at least to start. It is a lot easier to adapt something than to make something new that still has the tone of the original. See, for example, later seasons of GoT when they run out of materials, or all the bullocks they added to the Hobbit movies. In both franchises, the overwhelming majority of the new things added were garbage. LotR, the show, is going to have that problem.
2. GoT, the books, were written like a tv show, as that was Martin’s background. Their pacing matches that of a TV show, so it was possible to make a faithful adaptation that still felt like a TV show.
3. HBO has a much longer track record making good, character-driven TV than Amazon does. They might not have ventured into high fantasy, but they had a successful urban fantasy show (True Blood - which has its flaws, but was still very popular) and a number of other exceptional shows (The Wire, The Sopranos, etc.). Amazon has a few good shows (Mrs. Maisel comes to mind), but they also have a mediocre adaptation in the same genera (WoT).
4. GoT’s author was alive and available to help. By all accounts, he helped a heck of a lot, right up until they ran out of his books and he decided he needed to step away from the show and focus on his own projects.
5. GoT did not have to compete with anything else and thus did not have to be rushed to production. Apparently the original pilot for GoT was awful because Weiss and Benioff are bad writers and didn’t follow the book. But HBO had all the time in the world, so they gave them a second chance, asked Martin to step in, and took the time to rewrite the show. LotR does not have that luxury - too many other competitors it is going to need to beat to market.
That all doesn’t mean one shouldn’t be optimistic - but it is probably a bit to early to make this kind of statement of relative success.
Aaaaah two days no posts! It’s some kind of record! LOTR LOTR LOTR
Silmarillion ☺️
The Hobbit.
And that new TV series about the Second Age.
Why are we getting so many big fantasy stuff happening rn? LotR tv show, Game of Thrones is doing (or just did, can’t remember) something, there’s another Harry Potter movie coming out.
It starts with the LotR movies, which took a genera that generally lacked wide cultural appeal--high fantasy--and made it accessible to the general public without compromising artistic integrity (RotK is tied for the most Oscars of any film). That gave us proof of concept--high fantasy, if done well, could be successful and reach a much wider audience than the traditional nerdy crowd it historically attracted.
Flash forward ten years and you have Game of Thrones. GoT was the first big budget foray into high fantasy on the small screen, and it worked extremely well. Like the LotR films, GoT was able to attract a wide audience far beyond the traditional fans of fantasy. Most of this was because George RR Martin was a television writer before he was a fantasy author, so he both had material that was ripe for adaptation for television and had the expertise to guide the talentless hacks D.B. Weiss and David Benioff to take their apparently unwatchable early drafts/pilots, and make it into something that was actually fun and mirrored the books.
Now, GoT might have dropped off in quality the second they ran out of books and Martin stepped back (see "talentless hacks" above), but the show remained popular and had a stranglehold over the genera so long as it was on the air.
And then it was going to wrap up after eight seasons. This left a void in the now-proven-successful genera of high fantasy. So we see a rush to fill that void. A new GoT show from HBO. Netflix buying the rights to Narnia. Amazon making Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. A Kingkiller Chronicle adaptation in the works. Lots of big names in fantasy got bought up and are being rushed to the screen, all in an effort to claim the proverbial Iron Throne from GoT.
What would everyone really like to see in the new LotR tv series coming out?
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What would everyone really like to see in the new LotR tv series coming out?
Story-wise, what I want to see is going to depend a lot on where it is set. We know it is Second Age and generally set as a "new evil arises"--so basically the rise of Sauron--and it has been indicated the show is set in locations/times that are not overly covered in Tolkien's novels. I suspect that puts us in Middle Earth toward the end of Númenor--I could see a plot involving the arrival of Númenoreans occurring.
One thing that would be kind of interesting to see--the creation of the Nazgûl. We know the general details, but that is about it--specifics and backgrounds of the Nine are only briefly addressed in source materials, making their creation seem like the kind of thing that the show could utilize.
Visually, I just want it to look pretty. Scenery and geography has always been an important part of the franchise, and the LotR films use of sweeping panoramas and on-set filming really captured that essence of the books. The filmography was some of the best ever produced--really making the landscape feel almost like a character in terms of its positioning and importance. Compare to the Hobbit movies, which was shot considerably in front of a green screen (which caused Sir Ian McKellen to break down in tears), and felt kind of jumbled and frenetic as a result.
I’m personally hoping to see the elves when they’re actually super powerful (compared to LotR) and some Khazad-Dum stuff. Oooh and a side plot to do with Oropher and Thranduil doing their thing in Greenwood. Thranduil is just so cool.
I’m personally hoping to see the elves when they’re actually super powerful (compared to LotR) and some Khazad-Dum stuff. Oooh and a side plot to do with Oropher and Thranduil doing their thing in Greenwood. Thranduil is just so cool.
Khazad-Dum is the dwarven city right? The old name for Moria?
I’m personally hoping to see the elves when they’re actually super powerful (compared to LotR) and some Khazad-Dum stuff. Oooh and a side plot to do with Oropher and Thranduil doing their thing in Greenwood. Thranduil is just so cool.
Khazad-Dum is the dwarven city right? The old name for Moria?
Yup.
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Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
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Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
No evidence to support it being Galadriel - could be a new character made for the show.
As for your second question - lawyers. They probably don’t have the rights to the song itself.
Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
No evidence to support it being Galadriel - could be a new character made for the show.
As for your second question - lawyers. They probably don’t have the rights to the song itself.
But Howard Shore is doing the soundtrack, surely he’d have the rights?
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Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
No evidence to support it being Galadriel - could be a new character made for the show.
As for your second question - lawyers. They probably don’t have the rights to the song itself.
But Howard Shore is doing the soundtrack, surely he’d have the rights?
Copyright is already fairly complicated - music copyrights even more so since they have two layers (the specific recording and the underlying music itself). It all would depend how Shore’s contract was set up.
That said, New Line is apparently involved in the project, and they’d be my guess for the relevant music rights. Assuming arguendo they could use the music from the original films (not a given assumption), they still probably would want to choose something new to set a new tone.
Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
No evidence to support it being Galadriel - could be a new character made for the show.
As for your second question - lawyers. They probably don’t have the rights to the song itself.
Lawyers lol
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It starts with the LotR movies, which took a genera that generally lacked wide cultural appeal--high fantasy--and made it accessible to the general public without compromising artistic integrity (RotK is tied for the most Oscars of any film). That gave us proof of concept--high fantasy, if done well, could be successful and reach a much wider audience than the traditional nerdy crowd it historically attracted.
Flash forward ten years and you have Game of Thrones. GoT was the first big budget foray into high fantasy on the small screen, and it worked extremely well. Like the LotR films, GoT was able to attract a wide audience far beyond the traditional fans of fantasy. Most of this was because George RR Martin was a television writer before he was a fantasy author, so he both had material that was ripe for adaptation for television and had the expertise to guide the talentless hacks D.B. Weiss and David Benioff to take their apparently unwatchable early drafts/pilots, and make it into something that was actually fun and mirrored the books.
Now, GoT might have dropped off in quality the second they ran out of books and Martin stepped back (see "talentless hacks" above), but the show remained popular and had a stranglehold over the genera so long as it was on the air.
And then it was going to wrap up after eight seasons. This left a void in the now-proven-successful genera of high fantasy. So we see a rush to fill that void. A new GoT show from HBO. Netflix buying the rights to Narnia. Amazon making Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. A Kingkiller Chronicle adaptation in the works. Lots of big names in fantasy got bought up and are being rushed to the screen, all in an effort to claim the proverbial Iron Throne from GoT.
LotR’s gonna flatten GoT.
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I would not make that assumption. GoT has every advantage over the LotR show other than budget from a show development stance.
1. It had source material, at least to start. It is a lot easier to adapt something than to make something new that still has the tone of the original. See, for example, later seasons of GoT when they run out of materials, or all the bullocks they added to the Hobbit movies. In both franchises, the overwhelming majority of the new things added were garbage. LotR, the show, is going to have that problem.
2. GoT, the books, were written like a tv show, as that was Martin’s background. Their pacing matches that of a TV show, so it was possible to make a faithful adaptation that still felt like a TV show.
3. HBO has a much longer track record making good, character-driven TV than Amazon does. They might not have ventured into high fantasy, but they had a successful urban fantasy show (True Blood - which has its flaws, but was still very popular) and a number of other exceptional shows (The Wire, The Sopranos, etc.). Amazon has a few good shows (Mrs. Maisel comes to mind), but they also have a mediocre adaptation in the same genera (WoT).
4. GoT’s author was alive and available to help. By all accounts, he helped a heck of a lot, right up until they ran out of his books and he decided he needed to step away from the show and focus on his own projects.
5. GoT did not have to compete with anything else and thus did not have to be rushed to production. Apparently the original pilot for GoT was awful because Weiss and Benioff are bad writers and didn’t follow the book. But HBO had all the time in the world, so they gave them a second chance, asked Martin to step in, and took the time to rewrite the show. LotR does not have that luxury - too many other competitors it is going to need to beat to market.
That all doesn’t mean one shouldn’t be optimistic - but it is probably a bit to early to make this kind of statement of relative success.
Fascinating.
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What would everyone really like to see in the new LotR tv series coming out?
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Story-wise, what I want to see is going to depend a lot on where it is set. We know it is Second Age and generally set as a "new evil arises"--so basically the rise of Sauron--and it has been indicated the show is set in locations/times that are not overly covered in Tolkien's novels. I suspect that puts us in Middle Earth toward the end of Númenor--I could see a plot involving the arrival of Númenoreans occurring.
One thing that would be kind of interesting to see--the creation of the Nazgûl. We know the general details, but that is about it--specifics and backgrounds of the Nine are only briefly addressed in source materials, making their creation seem like the kind of thing that the show could utilize.
Visually, I just want it to look pretty. Scenery and geography has always been an important part of the franchise, and the LotR films use of sweeping panoramas and on-set filming really captured that essence of the books. The filmography was some of the best ever produced--really making the landscape feel almost like a character in terms of its positioning and importance. Compare to the Hobbit movies, which was shot considerably in front of a green screen (which caused Sir Ian McKellen to break down in tears), and felt kind of jumbled and frenetic as a result.
I would like to see the fall of Numenor.
I’m personally hoping to see the elves when they’re actually super powerful (compared to LotR) and some Khazad-Dum stuff. Oooh and a side plot to do with Oropher and Thranduil doing their thing in Greenwood. Thranduil is just so cool.
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Khazad-Dum is the dwarven city right? The old name for Moria?
Yup.
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Looks like we know what the gist of the shoe will be now - the events surrounding the forging of the Rings of Power.
Galadriel intro in LotR films: 10/10
Galadriel intro in LotR TV show: 2/10
Man she sounds cheesy, and nothing like the Galadriel we’re used to. If I have to take that voice all over the series, I’m gonna go nuts. Nice shots, nice lines, and the worst voiceover I’ve ever heard. Dunno what to say?
Also: Howard Shore why didn’t we get the classic Ring theme we know and love! What’s this weird new track?! You’re gonna do a show about the One, you’d better use the proper theme!
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No evidence to support it being Galadriel - could be a new character made for the show.
As for your second question - lawyers. They probably don’t have the rights to the song itself.
But Howard Shore is doing the soundtrack, surely he’d have the rights?
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Copyright is already fairly complicated - music copyrights even more so since they have two layers (the specific recording and the underlying music itself). It all would depend how Shore’s contract was set up.
That said, New Line is apparently involved in the project, and they’d be my guess for the relevant music rights. Assuming arguendo they could use the music from the original films (not a given assumption), they still probably would want to choose something new to set a new tone.
Lawyers lol