since Custom Lineage and the linneages from the UA article allow you to cosmetically have been any of the prior race, from an half elf to an human or dwarf, would they be entitled to pick racial feats from that race? Like the UA has a throwaway line about you no longer being of that race, but will either explicitly forbid for instance an elven reborn from getting elven accuracy or a Custom linneage dragonborn from using the dragon claws feat at level 1?
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Rules as written: You are no longer that race, It is a reference to a defined term in the rules. As such you would not be eligible for the feats.
Rules as Intended: I suspect the same as rules as written, since the UA came out after there had been time to see/consider threads on this topic with Tasha's
Rules at my table: I would allow racial feats of one race. So Elven accuracy sure, Elven accuracy + Dragon Hide nope you get to pick one.
Like the UA has a throwaway line about you no longer being of that race
Is it a "throwaway line?" Does it need a fancy box or something to lend it authority? The rule has a line that you're not that race, so you're not that race. You can't just dismiss it because you don't want it to be true.
Quick answer, it's up to your DM. Better answer, it probably depends on the feat. Some of the racial feats have a cultural bent to them, some of the seem to do with things that are inate to the race. For instance Fey Teleportation for High Elves says:
Your study of high elven lore has unlocked fey power that few other elves possess, except your eladrin cousins. Drawing on your fey ancestry, you can momentarily stride through the Feywild to shorten your path from one place to another. You gain the following benefits:
So if you weren't raised by elves, you study can't have really gone deeper.
On the other hand Infernal Constitution says:
Fiendish blood runs strong in you, unlocking a resilience akin to that possessed by some fiends. You gain the following benefits:
So it seems to have to do with your Tiefling bloodline, not matter how you were raised.
Admittedly not all the racial feats are this clear cut. Some of them don't give any clear indication of where the ability came from and that would come down to a call from the DM.
Like the UA has a throwaway line about you no longer being of that race
Is it a "throwaway line?" Does it need a fancy box or something to lend it authority? The rule has a line that you're not that race, so you're not that race. You can't just dismiss it because you don't want it to be true.
well party since it seems to be flavor text, and flavor text typically does not convey rules information (although the same can be said about the line about you possibly being any of the other races beforehand, this ruling is presumably right)
Since according to the wording you are no longer your former race, you would no longer meet the prerequisite.
This would even cause you to lose feats you already had.
but you can only become one of these races at character creation? It's not like you can become one of these things via reincarnate, only through convoluted plot means (or well getting bit by a vampire is kinda uncomplicated but still)
and i say throwaway line since there is at least a few ways you can interpret it, from it meaning that you are not are not a "true/ pure" member of your race since your blood has been tampered with to it simply explaining how your stats do not change, even if again, one interpretation is the most likely
Quick answer, it's up to your DM. Better answer, it probably depends on the feat. Some of the racial feats have a cultural bent to them, some of the seem to do with things that are inate to the race. For instance Fey Teleportation for High Elves says:
Your study of high elven lore has unlocked fey power that few other elves possess, except your eladrin cousins. Drawing on your fey ancestry, you can momentarily stride through the Feywild to shorten your path from one place to another. You gain the following benefits:
So if you weren't raised by elves, you study can't have really gone deeper.
On the other hand Infernal Constitution says:
Fiendish blood runs strong in you, unlocking a resilience akin to that possessed by some fiends. You gain the following benefits:
So it seems to have to do with your Tiefling bloodline, not matter how you were raised.
Admittedly not all the racial feats are this clear cut. Some of them don't give any clear indication of where the ability came from and that would come down to a call from the DM.
would this not go the other way arround, with you being able to choose cultural feats but not biological feats? I mean its your physical self, not your mental self, that was altered by whatever transformation caused you to adopt one of the gothic linneages, that caused you to be rebuilt, reborn, revived, in all these instances you will typically not forget or cast aside your relationship with others of your race, the way you were raised was not changed, and so then why should you suddenly loose acess to cultural feats? If the thing letting me take infernal constiution is my fiendish heritage, shurely being killed and put back together as a robot will prevent me from taking the feat?
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Like the UA has a throwaway line about you no longer being of that race
Is it a "throwaway line?" Does it need a fancy box or something to lend it authority? The rule has a line that you're not that race, so you're not that race. You can't just dismiss it because you don't want it to be true.
well party since it seems to be flavor text, and flavor text typically does not convey rules information (although the same can be said about the line about you possibly being any of the other races beforehand, this ruling is presumably right)
Since according to the wording you are no longer your former race, you would no longer meet the prerequisite.
This would even cause you to lose feats you already had.
but you can only become one of these races at character creation? It's not like you can become one of these things via reincarnate, only through convoluted plot means (or well getting bit by a vampire is kinda uncomplicated but still)
and i say throwaway line since there is at least a few ways you can interpret it, from it meaning that you are not are not a "true/ pure" member of your race since your blood has been tampered with to it simply explaining how your stats do not change, even if again, one interpretation is the most likely
Quick answer, it's up to your DM. Better answer, it probably depends on the feat. Some of the racial feats have a cultural bent to them, some of the seem to do with things that are inate to the race. For instance Fey Teleportation for High Elves says:
Your study of high elven lore has unlocked fey power that few other elves possess, except your eladrin cousins. Drawing on your fey ancestry, you can momentarily stride through the Feywild to shorten your path from one place to another. You gain the following benefits:
So if you weren't raised by elves, you study can't have really gone deeper.
On the other hand Infernal Constitution says:
Fiendish blood runs strong in you, unlocking a resilience akin to that possessed by some fiends. You gain the following benefits:
So it seems to have to do with your Tiefling bloodline, not matter how you were raised.
Admittedly not all the racial feats are this clear cut. Some of them don't give any clear indication of where the ability came from and that would come down to a call from the DM.
would this not go the other way arround, with you being able to choose cultural feats but not biological feats? I mean its your physical self, not your mental self, that was altered by whatever transformation caused you to adopt one of the gothic linneages, that caused you to be rebuilt, reborn, revived, in all these instances you will typically not forget or cast aside your relationship with others of your race, the way you were raised was not changed, and so then why should you suddenly loose acess to cultural feats? If the thing letting me take infernal constiution is my fiendish heritage, shurely being killed and put back together as a robot will prevent me from taking the feat?
I feel like you are throwing in a lot of different rules all at once. But I also realize now that the OP mentioned UA rules, and I was thinking of Tasha's since this wasn't in the UA forum. I'm not as familiar with the content there but I'm guessing this is the article being referenced Gothic Lineages
So everything I said may be totally wrong.
My argument for Tieflings still being able to have Infernal Constitution assumes they have a Tiefling body. So if you are making a brand new character whose back story includes a Tiefling who died, and was resurrected in the body of a Construct, then no I would say they would not be allowed to choose Infernal Constitution since that would have been tied to their old body.
There seems to be some talk in this thread about these lineages being something that happens to a character during the course of an adventure. In that case I DM shouldn't force a character to be a construct unless they were okay with it. I would say it would be perfectly okay in that case for the character to loose a feat like Infernal Constitution, but I would allow them to have something else in it's place. Maybe give them the Warforged Constructed Resilience and treat it as a feat. They are not quiet identical, but they fill a similar niche, and it would play into the fact that the characters body has changed.
Since according to the wording you are no longer your former race, you would no longer meet the prerequisite.
This would even cause you to lose feats you already had.
but you can only become one of these races at character creation? It's not like you can become one of these things via reincarnate, only through convoluted plot means (or well getting bit by a vampire is kinda uncomplicated but still)
and i say throwaway line since there is at least a few ways you can interpret it, from it meaning that you are not are not a "true/ pure" member of your race since your blood has been tampered with to it simply explaining how your stats do not change, even if again, one interpretation is the most likely
Okay lets take a look at the rules for the UA lineages and see if anything they say is unambiguous.
These options are special; you can choose one at character creation or at an appropriate time later in a campaign, transforming your character. Creating Your Character At 1st level, you choose whether your character is a member of the human race or of one of the game’s fantastical races. Alternatively, you can choose one of the following lineages. If you choose a lineage, you might have once been a member of another race, but you aren’t any longer.You now possess only your lineage’s racial traits.
Everything in the document refers to these options as their own race and/or a full replacement to your race, including half a paragraph right at the beginning that clearly spells it out. There is no wording that suggests you get to keep any previous racial traits or unlocked prerequisites from a different race (as in "not the race you are").
Personally, I would like if this were changed so a reborn elf could still benefit from some elf feats and traits (like how the Hollow One is in EGtW).
Okay lets take a look at the rules for the UA lineages and see if anything they say is unambiguous.
These options are special; you can choose one at character creation or at an appropriate time later in a campaign, transforming your character. Creating Your Character At 1st level, you choose whether your character is a member of the human race or of one of the game’s fantastical races. Alternatively, you can choose one of the following lineages. If you choose a lineage, you might have once been a member of another race, but you aren’t any longer. You now possess only your lineage’s racial traits.
Everything in the document refers to these options as their own race and/or a full replacement to your race. There is no wording that suggests you get to keep any previous racial traits or unlocked prerequisites from a different race.
This. As much as many threads seem to think(wish) this was an ambiguous point both in the UA and Tasha's. It's not, in the UA the bolded text clearly says you are a member of this lineage and no longer a member of any previous race, Tasha's custom lineage they say "Instead of choosing one of the game’s races for your character at 1st level, you can use the following traits to represent your character’s lineage, "
So Rules as written, you are not anything other than your chosen lineage and any feat/feature/rule based on race treats you only as your chosen lineage.
That said your table your rules. Allowing a racial feat feels like a perfectly reasonable houserule, it's just not following the book as written.
I'd generally agree that choosing a lineage, from the UA, would make you the new "race" instead of the old one. But I would just warn the OP not to get too attached to any interpretation. This has the feel of something they could change up one way or another before it officially publishes.
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since Custom Lineage and the linneages from the UA article allow you to cosmetically have been any of the prior race, from an half elf to an human or dwarf, would they be entitled to pick racial feats from that race? Like the UA has a throwaway line about you no longer being of that race, but will either explicitly forbid for instance an elven reborn from getting elven accuracy or a Custom linneage dragonborn from using the dragon claws feat at level 1?
i am soup, with too many ideas (all of them very spicy) who has made sufficient homebrew material and character to last an thousand human lifetimes
This will be a question for your DM, but if they allow Custom Linage then there should be no problem with it.
If this is about AL, then i see the bigger problem in the PHB+1 rule.
Attack: [roll]3d20dl2+6[/roll] Damage: [roll](if([roll:-1:critical], =0, 1d8, 2{1d8}.expand()))+4[/roll] Sneakattack: [roll](if([roll:-2:critical], =0, 2d6, 2{2d6}.expand()))[/roll]Since according to the wording you are no longer your former race, you would no longer meet the prerequisite.
This would even cause you to lose feats you already had.
Rules as written: You are no longer that race, It is a reference to a defined term in the rules. As such you would not be eligible for the feats.
Rules as Intended: I suspect the same as rules as written, since the UA came out after there had been time to see/consider threads on this topic with Tasha's
Rules at my table: I would allow racial feats of one race. So Elven accuracy sure, Elven accuracy + Dragon Hide nope you get to pick one.
Is it a "throwaway line?" Does it need a fancy box or something to lend it authority? The rule has a line that you're not that race, so you're not that race. You can't just dismiss it because you don't want it to be true.
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Quick answer, it's up to your DM. Better answer, it probably depends on the feat. Some of the racial feats have a cultural bent to them, some of the seem to do with things that are inate to the race. For instance Fey Teleportation for High Elves says:
So if you weren't raised by elves, you study can't have really gone deeper.
On the other hand Infernal Constitution says:
So it seems to have to do with your Tiefling bloodline, not matter how you were raised.
Admittedly not all the racial feats are this clear cut. Some of them don't give any clear indication of where the ability came from and that would come down to a call from the DM.
well party since it seems to be flavor text, and flavor text typically does not convey rules information (although the same can be said about the line about you possibly being any of the other races beforehand, this ruling is presumably right)
but you can only become one of these races at character creation? It's not like you can become one of these things via reincarnate, only through convoluted plot means (or well getting bit by a vampire is kinda uncomplicated but still)
and i say throwaway line since there is at least a few ways you can interpret it, from it meaning that you are not are not a "true/ pure" member of your race since your blood has been tampered with to it simply explaining how your stats do not change, even if again, one interpretation is the most likely
would this not go the other way arround, with you being able to choose cultural feats but not biological feats? I mean its your physical self, not your mental self, that was altered by whatever transformation caused you to adopt one of the gothic linneages, that caused you to be rebuilt, reborn, revived, in all these instances you will typically not forget or cast aside your relationship with others of your race, the way you were raised was not changed, and so then why should you suddenly loose acess to cultural feats? If the thing letting me take infernal constiution is my fiendish heritage, shurely being killed and put back together as a robot will prevent me from taking the feat?
i am soup, with too many ideas (all of them very spicy) who has made sufficient homebrew material and character to last an thousand human lifetimes
I feel like you are throwing in a lot of different rules all at once. But I also realize now that the OP mentioned UA rules, and I was thinking of Tasha's since this wasn't in the UA forum. I'm not as familiar with the content there but I'm guessing this is the article being referenced Gothic Lineages
So everything I said may be totally wrong.
My argument for Tieflings still being able to have Infernal Constitution assumes they have a Tiefling body. So if you are making a brand new character whose back story includes a Tiefling who died, and was resurrected in the body of a Construct, then no I would say they would not be allowed to choose Infernal Constitution since that would have been tied to their old body.
There seems to be some talk in this thread about these lineages being something that happens to a character during the course of an adventure. In that case I DM shouldn't force a character to be a construct unless they were okay with it. I would say it would be perfectly okay in that case for the character to loose a feat like Infernal Constitution, but I would allow them to have something else in it's place. Maybe give them the Warforged Constructed Resilience and treat it as a feat. They are not quiet identical, but they fill a similar niche, and it would play into the fact that the characters body has changed.
Okay lets take a look at the rules for the UA lineages and see if anything they say is unambiguous.
Everything in the document refers to these options as their own race and/or a full replacement to your race, including half a paragraph right at the beginning that clearly spells it out. There is no wording that suggests you get to keep any previous racial traits or unlocked prerequisites from a different race (as in "not the race you are").
Personally, I would like if this were changed so a reborn elf could still benefit from some elf feats and traits (like how the Hollow One is in EGtW).
This. As much as many threads seem to think(wish) this was an ambiguous point both in the UA and Tasha's. It's not, in the UA the bolded text clearly says you are a member of this lineage and no longer a member of any previous race, Tasha's custom lineage they say "Instead of choosing one of the game’s races for your character at 1st level, you can use the following traits to represent your character’s lineage, "
So Rules as written, you are not anything other than your chosen lineage and any feat/feature/rule based on race treats you only as your chosen lineage.
That said your table your rules. Allowing a racial feat feels like a perfectly reasonable houserule, it's just not following the book as written.
I'd generally agree that choosing a lineage, from the UA, would make you the new "race" instead of the old one. But I would just warn the OP not to get too attached to any interpretation. This has the feel of something they could change up one way or another before it officially publishes.