total is 71.5 damage for one turn against one target... new total is 45 damage
your 1st attack was an assassinate (advantage and automatic critical hit), 2d10 (11)from heavy crossbow, 2d6 (7)from hunter's mark, 4d6 (14) from sneak attack, +3 from DEX mod, and +10 from sharpshooter feat
your 2nd attack deals 1d10 (5.5) from heavy crossbow, 1d8 (4.5) from colossus slayer, 1d6 (3.3) from hunter's mark, +3 from DEX mod, and +10 from sharpshooter feat
heavy crossbow has loading quality and can only be fired once when using an action, bonus action, or reaction to attack with it... Ranger's 5th lvl Extra Attacks won't work with this weapon... unless you later pick up Crossbow Expert feat (one of that feat's abilities allows you to ignore the loading property of crossbows you are proficient with).
Alternatively, if you replaced your heavy crossbow with a longbow you wouldn't need the extra feat and your attacks would look like this:
1st attack:1d20 (Adv) +3 (+3 [Dex] +3 [proficiency] +2 [Fighting Style] -5 [Sharpshooter]), on a hit converts to a critical. 2d8 (9, longbow) + 2d6 (7, Hunter's Mark) + 4d6 (14, Sneak Attack) +3 (Dex) + 10 (Sharphooter) = 43 damage
2nd attack:1d20 (Adv) +3 (+3 [Dex] +3 [proficiency] +2 [Fighting Style] -5 [Sharpshooter]), on a hit converts to a critical. 2d8 (9, longbow) + 2d6 (7, Hunter's Mark) + 2d8 (9, Colossus Slayer) +3 (Dex) + 10 (Sharphooter) = 38 damage
Total damage: 81
The average difference in damage between a longbow and a heavy crossbow is 1 point. Taking Crossbow Expert at level 4 Rogue would enable you perform the above sequence for a total of 85 damage.
Alternatively, taking +2 Dex instead would add 1 to the damage of each attack and +1 to your attack rolls, your AC, Initiative and Dex-based skills. Your character would also be carrying 16 lbs less gear (Heavy X-bow : 18 lbs; Longbow: 2 lbs).
Short of aesthetic or roleplay reasons I would recommend going longbow and +2 Dex at Rogue 4. Your total damage is 2 points less, Cunning Action negates the need for the second benefit from Crossbow Expert and by using a Heavy Crossbow you won't benefit from the third bullet point, which seems like a waste of an ASI/feat to me.
It should also be noted, that even if your first attack hits, the target would still be considered surprised. Surprised just means that you cannot move or take an action on your first turn of combat and therefore the target remains surprised until the end of their first turn.
Until the spell ends, you deal an extra 1d6 damage to the target whenever you hit it with a weapon attack
Hunter's Mark triggers off of every attack.
Also longbow loses a die, but can gain the benefits from Bracers of Archery, where crossbows can't. Plus you have to spend a feat to attack more then once a turn. If you take Crossbow Expert and Already have Sharper Shooter, then you can swap to a handcrossbow. You lose 1 die on the longbow and two on the heavy crossbow, but get another attack as a Bonus Action (assuming you're not using it to cast Hunter's Mark to do something else)
Swift Quiver is a 5th level spell only available to Rangers. In order to learn it you must have at least 17 levels of Ranger. With 3 levels of Rogue you will only gain access to it at 20th level.
If you use a long bow, you should deal more damage with a Ranger 5/ Rogue (assassin) 3. - With assassinate you hit with advantage and if you hit is a critical, plus sharshooter. Then you sums hunter's mark, proficiency, DEX and fighting style. 1d8x2 (critical with the bow) + 2d6 (for the sneak attack) + 10 (sharpshooter) + 1d6 (hunter´s mark) + 3 (proficiency) + 3 (DEX) + 2 (fighting style) = 9 + 7 + 10 + 3 +3 + 3 + 2= 37.
You CANNOT make a second attack with your heavy crossbow because it has the loading property and you lack the Crossbow Expert feat! To get the second attack, you should switch to a longbow.
Nope. just one target for Sneak Attack. Sneak Attack is one target and once per turn. Keep in mind that OA can have Sneak Attack even if you use Sneak Attack on your turn already.
Also, you need to have an advantage with the Range Attack for having Sneak Attack. That is why I am going to take Inquisitive as the subclass. You can mark a target with Insightful Fighting and do a sneak attack with a ranged attack without advantage. Just remember to have Expertise on Insight when you multiclass into rogue.
Insightful Fighting and hunter's mark both use Bonus action. So, you only can do one mark per turn.
Also, you need to have an advantage with the Range Attack for having Sneak Attack. That is why I am going to take Inquisitive as the subclass.
Yes, but the Assassinate feature gives advantage on attack rolls against surprised enemies (as well as an automatic crit against anyone who hasn’t taken a turn yet), so you don’t need to go with Inquisitive to get Sneak Attack.
Also, you need to have an advantage with the Range Attack for having Sneak Attack. That is why I am going to take Inquisitive as the subclass.
Yes, but the Assassinate feature gives advantage on attack rolls against surprised enemies (as well as an automatic crit against anyone who hasn’t taken a turn yet), so you don’t need to go with Inquisitive to get Sneak Attack.
Other way around. Advantage on those not taken a turn. Auto-crit on those who are surprised.
What enemies are surprised is up to the DM. There isn't a clear rule in PHB about what consider as surprised. It is better to ask the DM about his/her ruling on this before assuming anything.
The Assassinate feature doesn't give an advantage on attack rolls against surprised enemies. It lets you do a critical hit.
The Assassinate feature only gives an advantage on the 1st round when you hit any creature that hasn’t taken a turn in the combat yet.
Also, Volly is one of the most problematic features. It is a single range attack that hit multiple targets. Many features interact with Volly but the rules aren't clear enough about it. It is better to take all the Volly-combo to the DM and ask about their ruling. Don't assume how it would work unless you are the DM.
For example, some DM may rule Volly is simultaneous attacks while other rules it is sequential attacks. Simultaneous would give you all of your attacks have an advantage when attacking from hiding. Sequential would give you one attack have an advantage when attacking from hiding. (Again it is up to the DM) The link to the conversation
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Okay somebody point out the flaw in my logic please .... Right now im a Rogue 3 (assassin) / Ranger 5 (Hunter) ...
This should yield 21 points of damage correct?
This would make the attack total 27 Points of damage?
I also get a second attack (Ranger lvl 5)
This attack would do 22 points of damage?
Meaning my turn would yield 49 points of damage on One target?
where is my calculation error or logic error ?
your 1st attack damage should average 45...
your 2nd attack damage should average 26.5...total is
71.5 damagefor one turn against one target... new total is 45 damageyour 1st attack was an assassinate (advantage and automatic critical hit), 2d10 (11)from heavy crossbow, 2d6 (7)from hunter's mark, 4d6 (14) from sneak attack, +3 from DEX mod, and +10 from sharpshooter feat
your 2nd attack deals 1d10 (5.5) from heavy crossbow, 1d8 (4.5) from colossus slayer, 1d6 (3.3) from hunter's mark, +3 from DEX mod, and +10 from sharpshooter featheavy crossbow has loading quality and can only be fired once when using an action, bonus action, or reaction to attack with it... Ranger's 5th lvl Extra Attacks won't work with this weapon... unless you later pick up Crossbow Expert feat (one of that feat's abilities allows you to ignore the loading property of crossbows you are proficient with).
so if i took that perk using the ASI from level 4 rogue ... and became 4 Rogue / 5 Ranger it works ?
yes
Alternatively, if you replaced your heavy crossbow with a longbow you wouldn't need the extra feat and your attacks would look like this:
1st attack: 1d20 (Adv) +3 (+3 [Dex] +3 [proficiency] +2 [Fighting Style] -5 [Sharpshooter]), on a hit converts to a critical. 2d8 (9, longbow) + 2d6 (7, Hunter's Mark) + 4d6 (14, Sneak Attack) +3 (Dex) + 10 (Sharphooter) = 43 damage
2nd attack: 1d20 (Adv) +3 (+3 [Dex] +3 [proficiency] +2 [Fighting Style] -5 [Sharpshooter]), on a hit converts to a critical. 2d8 (9, longbow) + 2d6 (7, Hunter's Mark) + 2d8 (9, Colossus Slayer) +3 (Dex) + 10 (Sharphooter) = 38 damage
Total damage: 81
The average difference in damage between a longbow and a heavy crossbow is 1 point. Taking Crossbow Expert at level 4 Rogue would enable you perform the above sequence for a total of 85 damage.
Alternatively, taking +2 Dex instead would add 1 to the damage of each attack and +1 to your attack rolls, your AC, Initiative and Dex-based skills. Your character would also be carrying 16 lbs less gear (Heavy X-bow : 18 lbs; Longbow: 2 lbs).
Short of aesthetic or roleplay reasons I would recommend going longbow and +2 Dex at Rogue 4. Your total damage is 2 points less, Cunning Action negates the need for the second benefit from Crossbow Expert and by using a Heavy Crossbow you won't benefit from the third bullet point, which seems like a waste of an ASI/feat to me.
It should also be noted, that even if your first attack hits, the target would still be considered surprised. Surprised just means that you cannot move or take an action on your first turn of combat and therefore the target remains surprised until the end of their first turn.
I didn’t think I could use hunters mark on both attack’s .... thought it was a once a turn thing ...
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Hunter's Mark triggers off of every attack.
Also longbow loses a die, but can gain the benefits from Bracers of Archery, where crossbows can't. Plus you have to spend a feat to attack more then once a turn.
If you take Crossbow Expert and Already have Sharper Shooter, then you can swap to a handcrossbow. You lose 1 die on the longbow and two on the heavy crossbow, but get another attack as a Bonus Action (assuming you're not using it to cast Hunter's Mark to do something else)
Would hunters mark or Swift quiver be a better use of my concentration? Does swift quiver give me a third hit ?
Swift Quiver is a 5th level spell only available to Rangers. In order to learn it you must have at least 17 levels of Ranger. With 3 levels of Rogue you will only gain access to it at 20th level.
If you use a long bow, you should deal more damage with a Ranger 5/ Rogue (assassin) 3.
- With assassinate you hit with advantage and if you hit is a critical, plus sharshooter. Then you sums hunter's mark, proficiency, DEX and fighting style.
1d8x2 (critical with the bow) + 2d6 (for the sneak attack) + 10 (sharpshooter) + 1d6 (hunter´s mark) + 3 (proficiency) + 3 (DEX) + 2 (fighting style) = 9 + 7 + 10 + 3 +3 + 3 + 2= 37.
- Your second attack is the same, 37.
Your total score is 74.
Hi there Barza,
just a quick reminder - proficiency is added to the attack roll. Proficiency is not added to the damage of the attack.
Additionally, the archery fighting style adds +2 to the attack roll and does not add to damage.
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You CANNOT make a second attack with your heavy crossbow because it has the loading property and you lack the Crossbow Expert feat! To get the second attack, you should switch to a longbow.
I was going a similar path but planning ahead to 11 ranger/3 rogue. Does all the assassinate and sneak attack apply to everyone I hit with volley?
Nope. just one target for Sneak Attack. Sneak Attack is one target and once per turn. Keep in mind that OA can have Sneak Attack even if you use Sneak Attack on your turn already.
Also, you need to have an advantage with the Range Attack for having Sneak Attack. That is why I am going to take Inquisitive as the subclass. You can mark a target with Insightful Fighting and do a sneak attack with a ranged attack without advantage. Just remember to have Expertise on Insight when you multiclass into rogue.
Insightful Fighting and hunter's mark both use Bonus action. So, you only can do one mark per turn.
But what about assassinate, they would all be surprised, right?
Yes, but the Assassinate feature gives advantage on attack rolls against surprised enemies (as well as an automatic crit against anyone who hasn’t taken a turn yet), so you don’t need to go with Inquisitive to get Sneak Attack.
Other way around. Advantage on those not taken a turn. Auto-crit on those who are surprised.
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Yeah obviously just testing yall...
Also, Volly is one of the most problematic features. It is a single range attack that hit multiple targets. Many features interact with Volly but the rules aren't clear enough about it. It is better to take all the Volly-combo to the DM and ask about their ruling. Don't assume how it would work unless you are the DM.
For example, some DM may rule Volly is simultaneous attacks while other rules it is sequential attacks. Simultaneous would give you all of your attacks have an advantage when attacking from hiding. Sequential would give you one attack have an advantage when attacking from hiding. (Again it is up to the DM) The link to the conversation