I'm looking into alternatives to D&D Beyond, and to be honest not finding too much. I believe this will certainly change as when there is a demand for something it will be produced. By not listening to their current paying customers, I think WotC is making a rather large mistake here. Not only will they alienate curren't paying customers, they will also foster an image they may not want.
Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry are the three other official toolsets. Personally for me, and I assume most people, Foundry is not an acceptable alternative since they lack at least 90% of the official books. I have not tried them, but Roll20 and Fantasy Gounds seem like the best alternatives in my opinion.
If a person is savvy with Excel or Sheets, they can be a decent alternative or supplement to Beyond's character sheets. They can be a hassle to set up (or just ask someone who has set one up already), but once it is set up, you can practically create unlimited character sheets and easily share content with your players for free. Homebrew also would not be as limited.
I'm looking into alternatives to D&D Beyond, and to be honest not finding too much. I believe this will certainly change as when there is a demand for something it will be produced. By not listening to their current paying customers, I think WotC is making a rather large mistake here. Not only will they alienate curren't paying customers, they will also foster an image they may not want.
Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry are the three other official toolsets. Personally for me, and I assume most people, Foundry is not an acceptable alternative since they lack at least 90% of the official books. I have not tried them, but Roll20 and Fantasy Gounds seem like the best alternatives in my opinion.
If a person is savvy with Excel or Sheets, they can be a decent alternative or supplement to Beyond's character sheets. They can be a hassle to set up (or just ask someone who has set one up already), but once it is set up, you can practically create unlimited character sheets and easily share content with your players for free. Homebrew also would not be as limited.
This is the route I am going, used physical books and spreadsheets. I will not do business with wizbro again. I would love to be able to sell my account to someone that would use it.
If you already paid for content on here, you might as well use it. Even without the character builder/sheets, Beyond still has its uses, at least for me. The database is still by and large the same, and it does not really make sense for me to port the entire thing over, considering how massive the database is and how tedious it would be.
You've lost another customer over this. I've been playing PF2E for a while and wanted to re-subscribe to DNDBeyond to run a holiday adventure for friends, only to discover the legacy content is unusuable for me in its current state. And this isn't the first offense for WOTC, they did this to 4E as well. After 40 years of buying DND books starting with the boxed sets, I'm finished with it. You need to treat your customers better than this, especially with what you're charging for digital assets.
I have so many complaints. I only bought all my digital content about 1-1.5 years ago. There is so many broken functions, and references and links. I would seriously consider filing a charge-back if I thought it would go through.
Also, WHY is the 2014 Players Handbook not on this drop-down????? (Just kidding, I know why. It's because they are shoving this content down our throats and some minor inconveniences here and there they can play dumb while we are pressured to shell out money for the new editions.)
I don't disagree the content has use without the character building tools, but the tools and ease of use was the only reason I bought anything here now it is no longer easy to use.
I don't disagree the content has use without the character building tools, but the tools and ease of use was the only reason I bought anything here now it is no longer easy to use.
"Piracy is almost always a service problem."
- Gabe Newell
Agreed, though I will not stoop to piracy, nor do I condone it. I also know it happens a lot when businesses forget how easy it is to choose it over the official content.
Im just leaving the quote here. What I am saying is that dndbeyond is running head first into a service problem, in my opinion. But I am not running their business, this is just a consumer perspective.
Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.
You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want.
I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.
For example:
I tried to build a Barbarian today. Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.
I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to. I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.
I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.
Doubtful that I will renew. I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.
Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.
You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want.
I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.
For example:
I tried to build a Barbarian today. Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.
I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to. I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.
I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.
Doubtful that I will renew. I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.
Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.
You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want.
I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.
For example:
I tried to build a Barbarian today. Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.
I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to. I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.
I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.
Doubtful that I will renew. I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.
I'm very aggravated.
Take a breath. None of your purchased content has been removed and no one is forcing you to do anything.
You just need to use the right version of the class. Make sure you have "2014 Rules" and "Expanded Rules" checked on the Home tab of the character builder, and change your class to the 2014 version.
All I need is a 2024 Core Rules checkbox on page 1 of the Character Builder. That way I can UNcheck it, and not have to worry that my players and I may be seeing the wrong content in our 5e games.
I really wish that we could elect to use and see ONLY the source materials that we own or agree to share with our group, and not have to sift through mounds of rules and search results that don't apply.
Anyhow, if the link works, here's what we need the most right now (I couldn't figure out how to insert the jpeg directly into the post):
Take a breath. None of your purchased content has been removed and no one is forcing you to do anything.
You just need to use the right version of the class. Make sure you have "2014 Rules" and "Expanded Rules" checked on the Home tab of the character builder, and change your class to the 2014 version.
This isn't helpful. Please stop trying to gaslight people into thinking a site-breaking issue for non-2024 players is anything otherwise.
While D&D Beyond has certainly made a horrible mess of this rollout from start to finish, I would not call this specific thing a "site-breaking issue" since, as I said, no one's purchased content has actually been removed and no one is being forced to do anything. Telling people that is not "gaslighting", and neither is helping them to learn how to use the tool properly.
If you want to cancel your subscription and not purchase the new products, go ahead. That's your choice. Please don't assume everyone who doesn't make the same choice you did is acting maliciously.
I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).
I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).
How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:
You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books. The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements. So they haven't violated it there.
You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product. Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more. Which you can stop paying.
So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like. However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.
I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).
How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:
You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books. The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements. So they haven't violated it there.
You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product. Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more. Which you can stop paying.
So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like. However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.
I noticed the same thing, but thank you for wording it waaaay better than I could hope to. I'll keep buying used 5e books and move back to pen and paper. There's way I'm shelling out money for this site when it's not useful for me to use.
I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).
How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:
You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books. The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements. So they haven't violated it there.
You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product. Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more. Which you can stop paying.
So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like. However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.
I noticed the same thing, but thank you for wording it waaaay better than I could hope to. I'll keep buying used 5e books and move back to pen and paper. There's way I'm shelling out money for this site when it's not useful for me to use.
Honestly, if all DnDBeyond was, was a digital reference site, I'd still buy the official books. The character creator is nice, and I'm moving my games to 5.24 anyway, but the digital reference library is more valuable to me than even buying the PDFs. If they ever tried to take it away after our purchases (without offering the PDFs as they closed down) I'd be one of those driving a class action suit.
Until them I'm mostly ok with the new version, I just wish they'd fully support the homebrew for it.
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I purchased and have in my inventory the 2014 Players handbook as a sourcebook.
I want FULL access to all of its information in my character sheet and to LIMIT my character to 2014 ONLY.
WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT??
Stop it, D&D Beyond. You are forcing people out. If I cannot use the 2014 PHB ONLY, I will delete my account.
Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry are the three other official toolsets. Personally for me, and I assume most people, Foundry is not an acceptable alternative since they lack at least 90% of the official books. I have not tried them, but Roll20 and Fantasy Gounds seem like the best alternatives in my opinion.
If a person is savvy with Excel or Sheets, they can be a decent alternative or supplement to Beyond's character sheets. They can be a hassle to set up (or just ask someone who has set one up already), but once it is set up, you can practically create unlimited character sheets and easily share content with your players for free. Homebrew also would not be as limited.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
WOTC's ph# is (425) 226-6500. Maybe they'll answer the phone?
If you already paid for content on here, you might as well use it. Even without the character builder/sheets, Beyond still has its uses, at least for me. The database is still by and large the same, and it does not really make sense for me to port the entire thing over, considering how massive the database is and how tedious it would be.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
You've lost another customer over this. I've been playing PF2E for a while and wanted to re-subscribe to DNDBeyond to run a holiday adventure for friends, only to discover the legacy content is unusuable for me in its current state. And this isn't the first offense for WOTC, they did this to 4E as well. After 40 years of buying DND books starting with the boxed sets, I'm finished with it. You need to treat your customers better than this, especially with what you're charging for digital assets.
I have so many complaints. I only bought all my digital content about 1-1.5 years ago. There is so many broken functions, and references and links. I would seriously consider filing a charge-back if I thought it would go through.
Also, WHY is the 2014 Players Handbook not on this drop-down????? (Just kidding, I know why. It's because they are shoving this content down our throats and some minor inconveniences here and there they can play dumb while we are pressured to shell out money for the new editions.)
I cancelled my subscription over this.
"Piracy is almost always a service problem."
- Gabe Newell
Im just leaving the quote here. What I am saying is that dndbeyond is running head first into a service problem, in my opinion. But I am not running their business, this is just a consumer perspective.
Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.
You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want.
I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.
For example:
I tried to build a Barbarian today. Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.
I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to. I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.
I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.
Doubtful that I will renew. I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.
I'm very aggravated.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/bugs-support/207687-read-this-if-you-cannot-see-all-your-subclasses
Take a breath. None of your purchased content has been removed and no one is forcing you to do anything.
You just need to use the right version of the class. Make sure you have "2014 Rules" and "Expanded Rules" checked on the Home tab of the character builder, and change your class to the 2014 version.
pronouns: he/she/they
All I need is a 2024 Core Rules checkbox on page 1 of the Character Builder. That way I can UNcheck it, and not have to worry that my players and I may be seeing the wrong content in our 5e games.
I really wish that we could elect to use and see ONLY the source materials that we own or agree to share with our group, and not have to sift through mounds of rules and search results that don't apply.
Anyhow, if the link works, here's what we need the most right now (I couldn't figure out how to insert the jpeg directly into the post):
https://imgur.com/a/4g6V7f5
(Hint: If you "CTRL+Click", it will open in a new window, and not close this one)
While D&D Beyond has certainly made a horrible mess of this rollout from start to finish, I would not call this specific thing a "site-breaking issue" since, as I said, no one's purchased content has actually been removed and no one is being forced to do anything. Telling people that is not "gaslighting", and neither is helping them to learn how to use the tool properly.
If you want to cancel your subscription and not purchase the new products, go ahead. That's your choice. Please don't assume everyone who doesn't make the same choice you did is acting maliciously.
pronouns: he/she/they
I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).
Now they've updated all my Homebrew content with confusing 2024 rules content.. and no way for me to back out their changes.
Don't need private homebrew shield with Utilize 2024 rules. Don't need by 3 year old public, approved Bardiche now having Topple that I can't remove.
Why not try to fix some of this rather than making it worse?
How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:
So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like. However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.
I noticed the same thing, but thank you for wording it waaaay better than I could hope to. I'll keep buying used 5e books and move back to pen and paper. There's way I'm shelling out money for this site when it's not useful for me to use.
Please can we get this toggle. How is this so hard?
Honestly, if all DnDBeyond was, was a digital reference site, I'd still buy the official books. The character creator is nice, and I'm moving my games to 5.24 anyway, but the digital reference library is more valuable to me than even buying the PDFs. If they ever tried to take it away after our purchases (without offering the PDFs as they closed down) I'd be one of those driving a class action suit.
Until them I'm mostly ok with the new version, I just wish they'd fully support the homebrew for it.