I really need a "disable 2024 completely" button for a campaign or character

I purchased and have in my inventory the 2014 Players handbook as a sourcebook.

I want FULL access to all of its information in my character sheet and to LIMIT my character to 2014 ONLY.

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT??

Stop it, D&D Beyond. You are forcing people out. If I cannot use the 2014 PHB ONLY, I will delete my account.

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I'm looking into alternatives to D&D Beyond, and to be honest not finding too much. I believe this will certainly change as when there is a demand for something it will be produced. By not listening to their current paying customers, I think WotC is making a rather large mistake here. Not only will they alienate curren't paying customers, they will also foster an image they may not want.

Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry are the three other official toolsets. Personally for me, and I assume most people, Foundry is not an acceptable alternative since they lack at least 90% of the official books. I have not tried them, but Roll20 and Fantasy Gounds seem like the best alternatives in my opinion.

If a person is savvy with Excel or Sheets, they can be a decent alternative or supplement to Beyond's character sheets. They can be a hassle to set up (or just ask someone who has set one up already), but once it is set up, you can practically create unlimited character sheets and easily share content with your players for free. Homebrew also would not be as limited.

WOTC's ph# is (425) 226-6500.  Maybe they'll answer the phone?

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I'm looking into alternatives to D&D Beyond, and to be honest not finding too much. I believe this will certainly change as when there is a demand for something it will be produced. By not listening to their current paying customers, I think WotC is making a rather large mistake here. Not only will they alienate curren't paying customers, they will also foster an image they may not want.

Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry are the three other official toolsets. Personally for me, and I assume most people, Foundry is not an acceptable alternative since they lack at least 90% of the official books. I have not tried them, but Roll20 and Fantasy Gounds seem like the best alternatives in my opinion.

If a person is savvy with Excel or Sheets, they can be a decent alternative or supplement to Beyond's character sheets. They can be a hassle to set up (or just ask someone who has set one up already), but once it is set up, you can practically create unlimited character sheets and easily share content with your players for free. Homebrew also would not be as limited.

 This is the route I am going, used physical books and spreadsheets. I will not do business with wizbro again. I would love to be able to sell my account to someone that would use it.

If you already paid for content on here, you might as well use it. Even without the character builder/sheets, Beyond still has its uses, at least for me. The database is still by and large the same, and it does not really make sense for me to port the entire thing over, considering how massive the database is and how tedious it would be.

You've lost another customer over this.  I've been playing PF2E for a while and wanted to re-subscribe to DNDBeyond to run a holiday adventure for friends, only to discover the legacy content is unusuable for me in its current state.  And this isn't the first offense for WOTC, they did this to 4E as well. After 40 years of buying DND books starting with the boxed sets, I'm finished with it.  You need to treat your customers better than this, especially with what you're charging for digital assets.

I have so many complaints. I only bought all my digital content about 1-1.5 years ago. There is so many broken functions, and references and links. I would seriously consider filing a charge-back if I thought it would go through.

Also, WHY is the 2014 Players Handbook not on this drop-down?????  (Just kidding, I know why. It's because they are shoving this content down our throats and some minor inconveniences here and there they can play dumb while we are pressured to shell out money for the new editions.)

I cancelled my subscription over this.

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 I don't disagree the content has use without the character building tools, but the tools and ease of use was the only reason I bought anything here now it is no longer easy to use.

 "Piracy is almost always a service problem."

- Gabe Newell

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 I don't disagree the content has use without the character building tools, but the tools and ease of use was the only reason I bought anything here now it is no longer easy to use.

 "Piracy is almost always a service problem."

- Gabe Newell

 Agreed, though I will not stoop to piracy, nor do I condone it. I also know it happens a lot when businesses forget how easy it is to choose it over the official content. 

Im just leaving the quote here. What I am saying is that dndbeyond is running head first into a service problem, in my opinion. But I am not running their business, this is just a consumer perspective.

Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.

You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want. 

I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.

For example:

I tried to build a Barbarian today.  Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.

I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to.  I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.

I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.

Doubtful that I will renew.  I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.

I'm very aggravated.

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Sorry D&D Beyond, you guys really screwed this up.

You charged me for a year of content and I cannot use the character builder the way I want. 

I agree that I shouldn't have to use any of the 2024 content. You should hold up your end of the sale agreement and continue to provide the content that was paid for.

For example:

I tried to build a Barbarian today.  Where is the Totem Warrior from the 2014 PHB? I paid for a full book, and you should continue that content indefinitely.

I tried to build a Druid Circle of the Stars recently, and wasn't able to.  I paid for the book with that content in it also, and I cannot get it now.

I wonder if a class action lawsuit is in order.

Doubtful that I will renew.  I wonder if enough people quit they will get the message.

I'm very aggravated.

 

https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/bugs-support/207687-read-this-if-you-cannot-see-all-your-subclasses

All I need is a 2024 Core Rules checkbox on page 1 of the Character Builder.  That way I can UNcheck it, and not have to worry that my players and I may be seeing the wrong content in our 5e games.

I really wish that we could elect to use and see ONLY the source materials that we own or agree to share with our group, and not have to sift through mounds of rules and search results that don't apply.

Anyhow, if the link works, here's what we need the most right now (I couldn't figure out how to insert the jpeg directly into the post):

https://imgur.com/a/4g6V7f5

(Hint: If you "CTRL+Click", it will open in a new window, and not close this one)

I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).

Now they've updated all my Homebrew content with confusing 2024 rules content.. and no way for me to back out their changes.

Don't need private homebrew shield with Utilize 2024 rules. Don't need by 3 year old public, approved Bardiche now having Topple that I can't remove.

Why not try to fix some of this rather than making it worse?

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I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).

How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:

1. You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books.  The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements.  So they haven't violated it there.
2. You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product.  Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
3. You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more.  Which you can stop paying.

So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like.  However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.

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I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).

 

How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:

1. You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books.  The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements.  So they haven't violated it there.
2. You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product.  Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
3. You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more.  Which you can stop paying.

So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like.  However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.

I noticed the same thing, but thank you for wording it waaaay better than I could hope to. I'll keep buying used 5e books and move back to pen and paper. There's way I'm shelling out money for this site when it's not useful for me to use.

Please can we get this toggle. How is this so hard?

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I'm going to comb through the EU regulations and see if this site may have violated them in this flubbed rollout. It's still usable, but if it's being maliciously compliant, us non-US countries have a tendency to side with the consumers and not the corporations. It might be worth it and hit them with a suit if that is the case. Money is what makes big corporations like Hasbro listen, not us moaning about it, and everyone knows Hasbro wants to go fully digital so they won't nuke this site (If they do, then they would be in clear violation of EU consumer rights and regulations, and would be open to a host of issues).

 

How this goes, as far as I've encountered in the past for other things is:

1. You paid for books and you still have complete access to the source books.  The 2014 Core Rules are still available with no 2014 elements.  So they haven't violated it there.
2. You pay a subscription which can be cancelled if you're unhappy with the product.  Your monthly payment expires each month, so if you keep paying, it's tacit approval.
3. You don't pay for the character sheets, except for the subscription's ability to add more.  Which you can stop paying.

So basically, as long as they don't remove your access to the permanently purchased products, you are not entitled to force them to fix a service you don't like.  However, you are entitled to cancel said service, and in the long run that's the thing that will hurt their bottom line the most.

I noticed the same thing, but thank you for wording it waaaay better than I could hope to. I'll keep buying used 5e books and move back to pen and paper. There's way I'm shelling out money for this site when it's not useful for me to use.

Honestly, if all DnDBeyond was, was a digital reference site, I'd still buy the official books.  The character creator is nice, and I'm moving my games to 5.24 anyway, but the digital reference library is more valuable to me than even buying the PDFs.  If they ever tried to take it away after our purchases (without offering the PDFs as they closed down) I'd be one of those driving a class action suit.

Until them I'm mostly ok with the new version, I just wish they'd fully support the homebrew for it.

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I have a few small issues with the 2024 rules that could easily just be house ruled to resolve for the games I run.

But the biggest issue I have is the power creep in the new versions of classes. Most are just mechanically ”improved”, which makes old versions “bad choices.” If this hadn’t been the case I’dve happily ran games with both 2014/2024 versions.

I’d also would have been more likely to just adopt an entirely new edition, as I have many times since AD&D.

But for whatever reason rollout is a mess and this feels bad. Engineering 101 should’ve been to preserve the products functionality and with the 2024 rollout this was just not done. A last minute change to the rollout prevented it being even worse, and that the plan of having to add back 5e as “homebrew” destroyed any confidence I have in whatever they plan to do with 2024.

The fact that it was ever on the chopping block is too far, and “fixed/prevented” or not I’m genuinely not over that fact.

The lack of response is only ever more upsetting, so my subscription is still cancelled.

But I loved how the site used to run and be, and if that functionality is restored I’d sign back up. I paid for convenience. Every week I’m only more disappointed that a separate 5th edition resource isn’t available. It used to exist. Just make a “5e 2014 only” tier and version, and call it a day. Monk wouldn’t still be broken, item descriptions wouldn’t reference things from that aren’t relevant. Duplicate spells wouldn’t be an issue. And rules would reference the actual rules used and not be shoved at the bottom like an afterthought. 

But until then, the moment I find a replacement resource to organize 5e games with my players, I’m gone.

 I completely agree with all you've said. And the lack of response I feel is very telling. It just shows they really don't care about their customers. I'll still use it, at least for now, because it's very helpful for our crazy neurodivergent group. I'm still looking for good alternatives, but I've not found any as of yet. And there's always just using our physical books and paper. D&D Beyond, as useful and convenient as it was before they broke it, was always a convenience. It's not needed to run a game and we've played for years before it was even a thing.

We don't need WotC; they need us.

It looks like beyond deleted my post on this subject - apparently my direct and coarse comments hurt someone's feelings.  But, hey, at least I know someone other than fellow players viewed my comments.

I just want everyone to know I share your frustration, and Beyond should just fix these problems or tell us to shut up and take it.