I disagree with WOTC that its mixable and it was really a pain to create a new character without getting anything in it that is from 2024. A "turn legacy on" button is simply not enough.
I have 7 running campaigns with me as a dm in 4. This is close to be a quit moment for me and its just the core rules because thankfully no player has bought the new edition yet.
It’s so very disappointing that it still has not been resolved, the only way forward with DDB for me is having the ability to make the 2024 ruleset completely optional, avoidable, and ignorable
I’d love to be able to rollback to when this site was functional and useful for running a 5e campaign but at the very least, please let me just hide the 2024 rules
My existing campaign is 2014 and has players who are very new to D&D. The "2014" vs "2024" is just going to confuse the heck out of them. Even the experienced players consider this a very unnecessary burden and chore.
Not implementing a switch was a very, very poor choice. Please add it in.
I completely agree; I really need a way to toggle off the 2024 content. At this time we have no plans to buy it and we simply don't want, or need, to have bits of 2024 content showing up on our character sheets. It is super annoying and can be rather confusing when we're in the middle of a battle and need to quickly look something up. The whole point of D&D Beyond was to have everything in front of us with easy access so we didn't have to go hunting through a book. Well...
Maybe that's what we'll have to do.
I'm going to keep my membership here on D&D Beyond for a bit longer to see if anything is fixed. We don't need things labelled "legacy," that's just stupid. What we need is a simple toggle to turn off the 2024 stuff. We don't want it. And we don't want it forced on us for no reason. In fact, it's seriously going to drive people away from D&D Beyond and WotC. You don't win customers by annoying them. Really, you don't.
What WotC forgets, is this: We do not need WotC to play D&D. WotC needs us. Once again they are at the point of losing quite a few paying customers. It's amazing they refuse to learn this rather obvious lessons.
FYI - I put in feedback via the support page and got a generic "this gets sent to internal teams" and a reference to the change log. The change log states:
How do I differentiate between making a 2014 and a 2024 character? And how do I turn off viewing Legacy Content?
When you use the Character Builder to create a new character, you decide which sources will be used. The 2024 content will always be available, but you can choose to show or hide other sources in the Sources section. For example, 2014 content will be marked with a Legacy tag and will default to 'on.' If you do not want to see Legacy content, you can change the toggle to ‘off’ to hide those options. For more details, refer to “Marking Old Material with a Legacy Badge” and “Updates to the Character Builder and Character Sheet”.
They address the exact opposite of what we want.
I went back and looked at my order history and I've spent so much money, I'm embarrassed to say how much. I just canceled my subscription and in the 'reason why' I said I'd come back if they do one of two things:
1. Give me a toggle for 2014/2024/both 2. Allow me to set global filters so I don't have to keep selecting my sources every single time I do a search
I bet losing that $50/yr sure will get their attention! (sigh)
WOTC You promised we would be able to choose between 2014 and 2024. somehow you thought spamming our sheets with duplicate entries and us having to constantly filter through looking for the legacy tags was a useful implementation of that choice. You have poisoned all our sheets and made dndbeyond a pain in the ass to use. Its supposed to make things easier not harder.
I NEED to be able to COMPLETELY disable 2024 rules at both the character and campaign level, they are banned in my game. Stop it with your rapist mentality not respecting our choices.
This implementation of the rules is very poorly thought out. I don't want to sort through both new and legacy material. I would like to have a toggle on my campaign for what material I want to share or use.
I don't want to see the 2024 spells, rules, or anything. If I make a character for a 5e game, I don't want to be forced to slog through an ocean of half useless entries, spells, or terms. Let me toggle it off.
Nothing to add to this thread other than support for this feature/function. The 2024 rules are not as awesome as WoTC folks would have you believe. If I wanted these rules I would have paid for them.
I am a very disappointed long-time customer of WoTC and a 30+ year fan of D&D.
Honestly yes, the 2024 rules have changed parts of the character sheet mid-campaign and it is becoming a headache trying to explain to my players that they need to make sure they only select and look at Legacy stuff. Then there are things like Inspiration turning into Heroic Inspiration and the description of how it works has completely changed with no way of seeing the Legacy version unless you look it up somewhere else.
I was looking for alternative systems to begin with, but I wasn't going to change until the end of my campaign. If the character sheets are having changes forced upon them though, it makes it even less appealing to stay with D&D Beyond. I don't like a lot of the new rules and don't want to use them. It would be different if this was a brand new edition of D&D that had its own character sheet you could create a character with... but the fact that it's a refresh of the 5e rules and they're overriding stuff and making it all more confusing really, really sucks.
Just hopping on the bandwagon here. We're playing through the rest of our 2014 campaign and need an easy way for all the 2024 stuff to be invisible, just the opposite of what's been made easy now (disabling 2014 with the toggle).
We are the sort of group that played AD&D until true 5e (2014) came along and WE decided to switch. If we need to go back to pen and paper and flipping through books, even when playing online, so be it. Hasbro, WoTC, please get over yourselves and your tinkering to enhance shareholder value and put your stamp on things. Let EVERYONE who loves the game (whatever the incarnation) play it the way they want.
I have been a subscriber since 2017 with whatever the highest tier is (currently they call it the master tier). Assuming that the master tier sub has stayed the same price through that time, I have paid
$1,847.00
on this digital content in that time. I feel like I have been cheated. Yet another example of how people don't really "own" things on the Internet. I would encourage people to find alternate solutions to play the 5e game they want to play and stop giving WoTC and their corporate overlords their money.
Agreed, this is much needed. I'm not against the new rules in general but we're not going to change to them in the middle of a campaign with my four groups so those options are just taking space and making it harder to find the correct version of spells. You were able to add a toggle to hide the 2014 rules, now do the same thing with the 2024 rules, it can't be any harder.
I disagree with WOTC that its mixable and it was really a pain to create a new character without getting anything in it that is from 2024. A "turn legacy on" button is simply not enough.
I have 7 running campaigns with me as a dm in 4. This is close to be a quit moment for me and its just the core rules because thankfully no player has bought the new edition yet.
Prepurchased Daggerheart now and cancelled the sub, it was simply exhausting
Seems like pen and paper is the best way to go.
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OMG, can we please do this? Mid-campaign and suddenly updating character sheets, etc. is maddeningly difficult.
Look, I get that you want us to buy your new rules, but if you force this crap, abandoning DDB is the only option.
It’s so very disappointing that it still has not been resolved, the only way forward with DDB for me is having the ability to make the 2024 ruleset completely optional, avoidable, and ignorable
I’d love to be able to rollback to when this site was functional and useful for running a 5e campaign but at the very least, please let me just hide the 2024 rules
Yeah, its infuriating.
I wholeheartedly agree.
My existing campaign is 2014 and has players who are very new to D&D. The "2014" vs "2024" is just going to confuse the heck out of them. Even the experienced players consider this a very unnecessary burden and chore.
Not implementing a switch was a very, very poor choice. Please add it in.
I completely agree; I really need a way to toggle off the 2024 content. At this time we have no plans to buy it and we simply don't want, or need, to have bits of 2024 content showing up on our character sheets. It is super annoying and can be rather confusing when we're in the middle of a battle and need to quickly look something up. The whole point of D&D Beyond was to have everything in front of us with easy access so we didn't have to go hunting through a book. Well...
Maybe that's what we'll have to do.
I'm going to keep my membership here on D&D Beyond for a bit longer to see if anything is fixed. We don't need things labelled "legacy," that's just stupid. What we need is a simple toggle to turn off the 2024 stuff. We don't want it. And we don't want it forced on us for no reason. In fact, it's seriously going to drive people away from D&D Beyond and WotC. You don't win customers by annoying them. Really, you don't.
What WotC forgets, is this: We do not need WotC to play D&D. WotC needs us.
Once again they are at the point of losing quite a few paying customers. It's amazing they refuse to learn this rather obvious lessons.
Couldn't agree more.
A "disable 2024 rules completely" button will decide whether or not I continue to use this app.
FYI - I put in feedback via the support page and got a generic "this gets sent to internal teams" and a reference to the change log. The change log states:
How do I differentiate between making a 2014 and a 2024 character? And how do I turn off viewing Legacy Content?
When you use the Character Builder to create a new character, you decide which sources will be used. The 2024 content will always be available, but you can choose to show or hide other sources in the Sources section. For example, 2014 content will be marked with a Legacy tag and will default to 'on.' If you do not want to see Legacy content, you can change the toggle to ‘off’ to hide those options. For more details, refer to “Marking Old Material with a Legacy Badge” and “Updates to the Character Builder and Character Sheet”.
They address the exact opposite of what we want.
I went back and looked at my order history and I've spent so much money, I'm embarrassed to say how much. I just canceled my subscription and in the 'reason why' I said I'd come back if they do one of two things:
1. Give me a toggle for 2014/2024/both
2. Allow me to set global filters so I don't have to keep selecting my sources every single time I do a search
I bet losing that $50/yr sure will get their attention! (sigh)
WOTC You promised we would be able to choose between 2014 and 2024. somehow you thought spamming our sheets with duplicate entries and us having to constantly filter through looking for the legacy tags was a useful implementation of that choice. You have poisoned all our sheets and made dndbeyond a pain in the ass to use. Its supposed to make things easier not harder.
I NEED to be able to COMPLETELY disable 2024 rules at both the character and campaign level, they are banned in my game. Stop it with your rapist mentality not respecting our choices.
This implementation of the rules is very poorly thought out. I don't want to sort through both new and legacy material. I would like to have a toggle on my campaign for what material I want to share or use.
I don't want to see the 2024 spells, rules, or anything. If I make a character for a 5e game, I don't want to be forced to slog through an ocean of half useless entries, spells, or terms. Let me toggle it off.
Nothing to add to this thread other than support for this feature/function. The 2024 rules are not as awesome as WoTC folks would have you believe. If I wanted these rules I would have paid for them.
I am a very disappointed long-time customer of WoTC and a 30+ year fan of D&D.
Honestly yes, the 2024 rules have changed parts of the character sheet mid-campaign and it is becoming a headache trying to explain to my players that they need to make sure they only select and look at Legacy stuff. Then there are things like Inspiration turning into Heroic Inspiration and the description of how it works has completely changed with no way of seeing the Legacy version unless you look it up somewhere else.
I was looking for alternative systems to begin with, but I wasn't going to change until the end of my campaign. If the character sheets are having changes forced upon them though, it makes it even less appealing to stay with D&D Beyond. I don't like a lot of the new rules and don't want to use them. It would be different if this was a brand new edition of D&D that had its own character sheet you could create a character with... but the fact that it's a refresh of the 5e rules and they're overriding stuff and making it all more confusing really, really sucks.
Just hopping on the bandwagon here. We're playing through the rest of our 2014 campaign and need an easy way for all the 2024 stuff to be invisible, just the opposite of what's been made easy now (disabling 2014 with the toggle).
We are the sort of group that played AD&D until true 5e (2014) came along and WE decided to switch. If we need to go back to pen and paper and flipping through books, even when playing online, so be it. Hasbro, WoTC, please get over yourselves and your tinkering to enhance shareholder value and put your stamp on things. Let EVERYONE who loves the game (whatever the incarnation) play it the way they want.
I have been a subscriber since 2017 with whatever the highest tier is (currently they call it the master tier). Assuming that the master tier sub has stayed the same price through that time, I have paid
$1,847.00
on this digital content in that time. I feel like I have been cheated. Yet another example of how people don't really "own" things on the Internet. I would encourage people to find alternate solutions to play the 5e game they want to play and stop giving WoTC and their corporate overlords their money.
This, please.
Agreed, this is much needed. I'm not against the new rules in general but we're not going to change to them in the middle of a campaign with my four groups so those options are just taking space and making it harder to find the correct version of spells. You were able to add a toggle to hide the 2014 rules, now do the same thing with the 2024 rules, it can't be any harder.
Yeah, im thinking about stop using DnD Beyond just because that.
i mean thanks to DnD Beyond i started to DM and spend quite a lot of money on books in the app.
Now they managed to ruin it with such a stupidity...
Please make 2014, 2024, or both selectable. I run different rules for different games.