Bundles are mentioned in the first post of this thread, though, you're right, prices for them are not.

My guess? A list of prices for all the bundles would be quite long and probably hadn't been entirely nailed down yet. Even now they might not be. It's nice to know they exist regardless.

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The exact pricing was posted in reply to that guy like a day or two later, and not after any official announcement of said pricing, which has yet to happen....so...sounds like Badeye either leaked early info just to be right in a forum thread..or...had the info and didn't share it??? There is no overshadowing anything, if all of the options are there from day one, not telling us about cheaper options in full detail and  only giving us information on rebuying books is acting in bad faith. Why do you assume they couldn't or wasn't ready to talk about that pricing when Badeye himself just said that the "post wasn't about that", not that he couldn't talk about it at the time.

 "Players will be able to unlock official Dungeons & Dragons content in digital format for a one-time purchase that is integrated into the toolset. Players can also purchase individual game elements or bundled content within any official source. Like to play barbarians? You can unlock that class and all of its options only. Want to run "Tomb of Horrors" from Tales From the Yawning Portal? Unlock that single adventure."  Badeye, July 19,2017

@TheInkStainedKnight - It was mentioned in the release. The price itself wasn't but I feel that they didn't want to over-complicate the release information. Anyone who has read through this whole thread can see how confused some of the community are with the information that was clearly given in the opening of this thread. 

Also, please don't start saying that they are acting in bad faith. They have been as forthcoming and transparent as they could possibly be. The moderators and staff have responded to any concerns that have appeared in this thread. You say you are a professional writer, act it.

 Saying that you can do something is different from saying how much it would be to do so. So much of the complaints up to that post where Badeye explained the other pricing was because everyone thought they had to buy the whole books, and if they had just released all the information, that would have been at least lessened. I am an professional writer stating my opinion, I didn't know it was unprofessional to do so? It is only because I was looking for a post that was, in fact, on another thread, that I found out about the bundle pricing at all, and even though the Master sub sharing with basic users thing had been mentioned before, I still have no idea on which thread, because it wasn't this one. This is, again in my opinion, a partial failure in information delivery, and if this forum is supposed to be about feedback, there has to be criticism as well as praise. Mind that I wasn't abusive or inflammatory in my language, just critical.

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The exact pricing was posted in reply to that guy like a day or two later, and not after any official announcement of said pricing, which has yet to happen....so...sounds like Badeye either leaked early info just to be right in a forum thread..or...had the info and didn't share it??? There is no overshadowing anything, if all of the options are there from day one, not telling us about cheaper options in full detail and  only giving us information on rebuying books is acting in bad faith. Why do you assume they couldn't or wasn't ready to talk about that pricing when Badeye himself just said that the "post wasn't about that", not that he couldn't talk about it at the time.

 "Players will be able to unlock official Dungeons & Dragons content in digital format for a one-time purchase that is integrated into the toolset. Players can also purchase individual game elements or bundled content within any official source. Like to play barbarians? You can unlock that class and all of its options only. Want to run "Tomb of Horrors" from Tales From the Yawning Portal? Unlock that single adventure."  Badeye, July 19,2017

@TheInkStainedKnight - It was mentioned in the release. The price itself wasn't but I feel that they didn't want to over-complicate the release information. Anyone who has read through this whole thread can see how confused some of the community are with the information that was clearly given in the opening of this thread. 

Also, please don't start saying that they are acting in bad faith. They have been as forthcoming and transparent as they could possibly be. The moderators and staff have responded to any concerns that have appeared in this thread. You say you are a professional writer, act it.

 Saying that you can do something is different from saying how much it would be to do so. So much of the complaints up to that post where Badeye explained the other pricing was because everyone thought they had to buy the whole books, and if they had just released all the information, that would have been at least lessened. I am an professional writer stating my opinion, I didn't know it was unprofessional to do so? It is only because I was looking for a post that was, in fact, on another thread, that I found out about the bundle pricing at all, and even though the Master sub sharing with basic users thing had been mentioned before, I still have no idea on which thread, because it wasn't this one. This is, again in my opinion, a partial failure in information delivery, and if this forum is supposed to be about feedback, there has to be criticism as well as praise. Mind that I wasn't abusive or inflammatory in my language, just critical.

During the beta test of D&D Beyond, we'll only be including content that is freely available from Wizards of the Coast, including the D&D 5th edition SRD , D&D 5th edition Basic Rules, Elemental Evil Companion and potentially others. The beta will not include additional content from a Commercially Released Book, Module or Supplement.

Given all of this, I think it more than safe to say that the confusion is due to a misreading (or not reading) of the original posts on the part of the reader and not because the original posts were unclear.

Were their a lot of people complaining about having to buy a whole book just to access a small portion of information at the start of this thread? Yes, but I don't wouldn't use that as an argument for the posts being more clear. First, and I already addressed this in a previous post to you, those people who were upset had to have at least had some inclination that purchasing smaller portions of books was a possibility. Otherwise, why complain about that specific aspect at all? There is no way to buy portions of any of the hardback books, so, before digital tools came along, the only way to make a highly specific character that only uses a class from this book, subclass from that one, race from another one, and magic items from yet another one could only be done by purchasing all of those books. Second, they had all the information they needed to not make that claim to begin with. While they did not have the exact price, there is no reasonable argument that could be made for assuming Curse would charge full book price for purchasing a small portion of the same book. 

As to the how the master tier works, that absolutely has been mentioned in this thread. A quick search of this thread for the term "master tier" (not in quotes) shows that, on July 19, Oakforthevines responded to a question by WanderingMerchant and laid out how the tiers work. It's on the second page of the search results as of the time I'm posting this. Took me about 30 seconds to find (again, research). It wasn't mentioned that directly by a staff member, but that's likely because the question had already been answered. Although, if you read Badeye's original post, he does say this about the master tier:

The Master Tier at $5.99/ month is intended primarily for Dungeon Masters and full groups. It grants all the benefits of the Hero Tier, and also allows a DM to share all her unlocked official content with other players within a campaign - so content does not have to be unlocked by every player.

Notice that their is no qualifier for which players (aside from them being within a campaign) with whom a DM can share content. Assuming that this means being in a campaign is the only requirement is much more logical than assuming that there are other, hidden requirements.

Also, the purpose of this thread was not to provide a comprehensive list of everything DDB would offer, how all of it works, and what pricing would be for every possible purchase one could make. This thread was to announce the basic pricing structure and announce the release date for DDB. While we have received a lot more than just that information in this thread (and, at over 60 pages, I would hope so), anything beyond basic pricing structure and release date was extra. The DDB staff are currently working on putting FAQs together that would be a place where all of the information can be gathered into one place. Once that is up, that would be the place you are trying to make this thread become.

To your last point, I would absolutely agree that criticism must be a part of a Beta test. Where we seem to disagree is on the tone of that criticism. You seem to be under the impression that either your tone is not insulting, or that having an insulting tone is appropriate when offering criticism for the sake of providing helpful feedback that the criticized can use to become and/or do better. Both of those are incorrect. Regardless of the type of criticism, the DDB staff and moderators have taken it very well and have made a lot of positive changes in response to the criticisms they have received. 

At the end of the day, you have done yourself, as a writer, disservice. If you wish to know information, the information is there. If you cannot find the information, there are plenty of people to ask. There was zero need to come in with a predetermined mindset that DDB is maliciously withholding information just because you yourself did not have it.

As an example of how you could have approached this whole situation from a more positive aspect and come across, if not professional, at least not unprofessional:

TheInkStainedKnight: Hey, I was wondering why the pricing for the individual bundles wasn't mentioned in the original post. I think that might have alleviated some confusion.

Badeye: Including that information was not the point of the original post. We will have a post very soon that gives every single pricing detail, including some new options that haven't been talked about yet.

TheInkStainedKnight: Great. Thanks for your response. I'm in the process of writing an article on DDB. Can you say when that post will be coming? I'd very much like to include as much information as possible for my readers.

etc.

etc.

tl;dr

1. Doing what you claim you are wanting to do is not unprofessional. How you have gone about it, is.
2. The information you claim is not present is, in fact, present, at least to the degree needed to alleviate the confusion for which you, and others, have complained
3. You have misunderstood the purpose of this thread, despite repeatedly being told by others (including the original poster) that you have done so
4. There is helpful criticism and unhelpful criticism. You have provided unhelpful criticism.
5. Example of how you could have done what you claim you set out to do in a more positive manner.

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Everyone will know everything next week.

I'll be interested to hear the changes. First of all, as someone living below the poverty level I was overwhelmingly HAPPY to hear the subscription prices and will definitely be getting the Master sub (I spend more than $6.00 a session on snacks and soda)! I will definitely be picking up the core books when they are on sale (if money allows :(   ).

I would love to get a pdf copy along with unlocking the book if that's possible but I'm not upset if that can't happen because I understand that is under the control of WoTC and not Curse.

I would also like to see the "sale" prices become the standard prices but that's a "wouldn't it be nice" request, if it can't happen I'll have to wait for the sales.

I would LOVE for you to consider running sales for more than a week and/or at different times of the month. I never really have "ready" cash and have to plan out my purchases. A week is just too short of a time for me and my income is heavily weighted towards the beginning of the month.

I am hoping that the Tal'Dorei campaign guide by Matt Mercer will be available at launch or soon after!

I do NOT think that paying "again" for these books is unfair. If I were to buy a game from GoG - let's pretend I can buy a physical copy from them - and the purchase also comes with a digital download of the game, that ownership does not entitle me to also get a Steam key for free so I can have the game there as well. That's the closest analogy I could think of that's relevant, some of the analogies given to justify a free copy were a stretch at best. I think people believe that since Curse is working with WoTC that somehow means that WoTC is bankrolling the creation of DDB, I don't think that's the case.

I'd like to thank the DDB team very much for allowing me to be a small part in the creation of this wonderful tool AND for bringing it (close) to release at a price I cannot only afford but one that I believe is below the value of the product!

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The exact pricing was posted in reply to that guy like a day or two later, and not after any official announcement of said pricing, which has yet to happen....so...sounds like Badeye either leaked early info just to be right in a forum thread..or...had the info and didn't share it??? There is no overshadowing anything, if all of the options are there from day one, not telling us about cheaper options in full detail and  only giving us information on rebuying books is acting in bad faith. Why do you assume they couldn't or wasn't ready to talk about that pricing when Badeye himself just said that the "post wasn't about that", not that he couldn't talk about it at the time.

 "Players will be able to unlock official Dungeons & Dragons content in digital format for a one-time purchase that is integrated into the toolset. Players can also purchase individual game elements or bundled content within any official source. Like to play barbarians? You can unlock that class and all of its options only. Want to run "Tomb of Horrors" from Tales From the Yawning Portal? Unlock that single adventure."  Badeye, July 19,2017

@TheInkStainedKnight - It was mentioned in the release. The price itself wasn't but I feel that they didn't want to over-complicate the release information. Anyone who has read through this whole thread can see how confused some of the community are with the information that was clearly given in the opening of this thread. 

Also, please don't start saying that they are acting in bad faith. They have been as forthcoming and transparent as they could possibly be. The moderators and staff have responded to any concerns that have appeared in this thread. You say you are a professional writer, act it.

 Saying that you can do something is different from saying how much it would be to do so. So much of the complaints up to that post where Badeye explained the other pricing was because everyone thought they had to buy the whole books, and if they had just released all the information, that would have been at least lessened. I am an professional writer stating my opinion, I didn't know it was unprofessional to do so? It is only because I was looking for a post that was, in fact, on another thread, that I found out about the bundle pricing at all, and even though the Master sub sharing with basic users thing had been mentioned before, I still have no idea on which thread, because it wasn't this one. This is, again in my opinion, a partial failure in information delivery, and if this forum is supposed to be about feedback, there has to be criticism as well as praise. Mind that I wasn't abusive or inflammatory in my language, just critical.

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That being said, has there been any discussion about some sort of "ultimate" package at launch.  All available in print/digital releases for a discounted price.  Obviously buying the 3 core books for $60 is mandatory, but since I am the DM, I would rather just shell out the cost up front, and work with my groups to have people pitch in what they want since I will be holding the master tier.  

Also, any word on annual subscriptions?

 I'd also like to add my support to this idea. It'd be awesome to be able to purchase all available content as a bundle for a discount.

 Hey All:

So now we have two on the forum interested in some sort of Launch Day Ultimate Package, one more and that's a trend!.  If anyone else would be interested in this, please respond to this so we can show interest to the developers.  Be honest with yourself though though, this will be a $250+ package, so if you would not be willing to slap down the cash for that, don't sign up.  I think if enough (using that term gently because this is of course just the forum) people show interest, they might pitch it to their sales team.

@BadEye:  What do you think?

 

 I'd be worried about my wallet catching fire from pulling my credit card out to fast

I guess we'll make at least three people really happy at some point this week then!

I truly appreciate all of the hard work you and your team have put into this fantastic product. I was expecting (and willing) to pay far more for the monthly subscription. My group will be extremely excited for all of the Master Tier content sharing and I'm happy to say my wife is now a D&D convert thanks in no small part to this product! We're eagerly awaiting August 15th. 

Waiting for launch, I kinda feel that anticipation like I'm getting something delivered from FedEx or UPS except I know the box won't be damaged and it'll arrive on time lol

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We actually have new pricing options that will be revealed due to some of that feedback.

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I can assure everyone that FULL pricing details will be shared very soon. There has been nothing "shady" about our process of revealing those. In fact, just as we have done with every other part of DDB, we have paid close attention to feedback (even in this thread) in order to do the best we can do.

We actually have new pricing options that will be revealed due to some of that feedback. In order to have those new options, though, there are multiple parties that have to sign off and approve. Our "failure to deliver information" is actually an intentional delay to be certain that we do not deliver partial information. This could be worse - if someone plans out purchases only to discover a new way to make those purchases later.

Master Tier subscription content sharing is another place where we have heard feedback and have made changes to make it better. We have not shared those changes yet because we had to make sure we could do the really cool new way of sharing from a technical perspective before we could reveal them. It would be terrible to tell the public "hey, we've heard your feedback and made changes to make this better" only to not be able to pull it off and have to retract. Gladly, that's not the case and we've been able to make it work, so we'll be sharing those details soon as well.

Everyone will know everything next week.

Will DDB be releasing product on the premier store date or the regular street date?

Also, 9 days to go. 

I run multiple campaign groups in the same world. Has it been said how many players a DM can have associated with the DM Tier subscription?

Sorry if this has been answered, I wasn't able to find it anywhere.

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Will DDB be releasing product on the premier store date or the regular street date?

Also, 9 days to go. 

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I run multiple campaign groups in the same world. Has it been said how many players a DM can have associated with the DM Tier subscription?

Sorry if this has been answered, I wasn't able to find it anywhere.

Thanks so much! Guess my expansion to a 3rd group may have to wait til I kill some PCs off :-P

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I run multiple campaign groups in the same world. Has it been said how many players a DM can have associated with the DM Tier subscription?

Sorry if this has been answered, I wasn't able to find it anywhere.

 12 most likely, but a definitive description of the Master Tier will be released next week.