Any idea how soon the mobile apps will launch? The biggest reason for me repurchasing these books is to have them searchable offline on my phone. Also, any screenshots of the apps in action yet?
I'm going to guess that we'll start seeing some good information about the apps after launch.
We don't have a target delivery date announced.
It's worthwhile to note that the mobile apps have been in development this whole time in conjunction with the web-based tools/site. More details to come for sure though!
For the index, there will be the layout similar to the compedium now.
I should have linked to it, but that's the screenshot I was referring to and have seen several times in this thread. Also, YouTubers and streamers would help as well, but I would like something I can click around myself and give a test run, especially an adventure since that format is much more complex than a sourcebook.
Thank you both, however!
There will certainly be more in-depth previews between now and launch.
In the short term, I can share that the adventures will have the full text of the adventure with all of the interior art. Maps and art will be clickable into a lightbox for high-res versions, and from there they can be downloaded for full-size versions in you want to use those in a VTT or anywhere else.
All relevant text will be cross-linked/ tooltipped like everything else in the site. It's really nice to run a session using these...just hover over a monster to see AC, Hit Points, and so on on the fly, or click out to a new tab to see the creature's full statistics very quickly.
In short, it is a digital copy of the book with full linking and all art.
Of course, these will become even more useful down the road as we add the encounter builder and combat management - all these adventures will automatically receive all that functionality.
Will there be both DM (labeled) and player (unlabeled) versions of the high-res maps?
The player versions are what's of the most use for VTTs or large printing for use with minis. I don't want my players seeing the labels, especially things like the locations of secret doors.
The maps will display as they do in the books.
We could look into adding the player "clean" versions where they are available to us. I'll see what we can do about that.
Don’t know if this has been asked. On the maps, will the rooms show up in a pop-up when i click on the room? Also, what extent of hotlinking is done in the room description/maps?
For the index, there will be the layout similar to the compedium now.
I should have linked to it, but that's the screenshot I was referring to and have seen several times in this thread. Also, YouTubers and streamers would help as well, but I would like something I can click around myself and give a test run, especially an adventure since that format is much more complex than a sourcebook.
Thank you both, however!
There will certainly be more in-depth previews between now and launch.
In the short term, I can share that the adventures will have the full text of the adventure with all of the interior art. Maps and art will be clickable into a lightbox for high-res versions, and from there they can be downloaded for full-size versions in you want to use those in a VTT or anywhere else.
All relevant text will be cross-linked/ tooltipped like everything else in the site. It's really nice to run a session using these...just hover over a monster to see AC, Hit Points, and so on on the fly, or click out to a new tab to see the creature's full statistics very quickly.
In short, it is a digital copy of the book with full linking and all art.
Of course, these will become even more useful down the road as we add the encounter builder and combat management - all these adventures will automatically receive all that functionality.
Will there be both DM (labeled) and player (unlabeled) versions of the high-res maps?
The player versions are what's of the most use for VTTs or large printing for use with minis. I don't want my players seeing the labels, especially things like the locations of secret doors.
The maps will display as they do in the books.
We could look into adding the player "clean" versions where they are available to us. I'll see what we can do about that.
The clean versions would be greatly appreciated. I suspect it's easier for DM's to add labels and the like to a clean map than to edit that stuff out. That's been my experience anyway.
WotC being unWILLING to is the issue. I'm quite certain, given no licenses issues imposed by WotC, Curse would happily collect their monthly subscription and give everyone everything. As covered previously, this is a matter of poor digital strategy on the part of WotC.
One can only hope WotC folks are on this board and reading to see how annoyed their customers are.
Um... you are talking about two very different things. They are discussing giving discounts from buying physical copies of the books. It's pretty clear there are no viable, easily implemented means of reliably doing that. So they are actually unABLE to provide discounts for physical copies.
You are talking about the monthly subscription ("Master+" or whatever) that unlocks all content. That is a specific business decision (likely on WotC's part). However, that was not what they were talking about.
At the time 5e was published digital copies were a practice in full swing. This could have been addressed by WotC.
At the time Fantasy Grounds or Hero Labs were made, people were buying digital content. This could have been addressed then by WotC.
Since it is STILL not addressed with DnDB, yes, it's very much unWILLING. Customers can expect this trend to continue, and that we will be expected to buy yet another copy if any future products come out relating to D&D. This isn't a Curse issue, it's a WotC poor strategy problem. They have chosen to ignore the issue, and industry best practice, and instead fleece their customers. Do I think it's intentional? No... they are simply a book publisher who isn't thinking like a digital content publisher, which is where they need to be. It's a different skill set they just haven't hired.
It seems as if they will succeed in this case... but at some point everyone will be fed up with it. They rationalizations I've seen in this thread will only hold for so long. They (WotC) need to get ahead of that point in time. Hopefully they leverage Curse's expertise in the digital realm to start that conversation and work on it.
WotC being unWILLING to is the issue. I'm quite certain, given no licenses issues imposed by WotC, Curse would happily collect their monthly subscription and give everyone everything. As covered previously, this is a matter of poor digital strategy on the part of WotC.
One can only hope WotC folks are on this board and reading to see how annoyed their customers are.
Um... you are talking about two very different things. They are discussing giving discounts from buying physical copies of the books. It's pretty clear there are no viable, easily implemented means of reliably doing that. So they are actually unABLE to provide discounts for physical copies.
You are talking about the monthly subscription ("Master+" or whatever) that unlocks all content. That is a specific business decision (likely on WotC's part). However, that was not what they were talking about.
At the time 5e was published digital copies were a practice in full swing. This could have been addressed by WotC.
At the time Fantasy Grounds or Hero Labs were made, people were buying digital content. This could have been addressed then by WotC.
Since it is STILL not addressed with DnDB, yes, it's very much unWILLING. Customers can expect this trend to continue, and that we will be expected to buy yet another copy if any future products come out relating to D&D. This isn't a Curse issue, it's a WotC poor strategy problem. They have chosen to ignore the issue, and industry best practice, and instead fleece their customers. Do I think it's intentional? No... they are simply a book publisher who isn't thinking like a digital content publisher, which is where they need to be. It's a different skill set they just haven't hired.
It seems as if they will succeed in this case... but at some point everyone will be fed up with it. They rationalizations I've seen in this thread will only hold for so long. They (WotC) need to get ahead of that point in time. Hopefully they leverage Curse's expertise in the digital realm to start that conversation and work on it.
Write them a letter? I don't understand how flooding these forums with complaints about another company is going to help fix your issue with the other company.
Write them a letter? I don't understand how flooding these forums with complaints about another company is going to help fix your issue with the other company.
Seriously? You don't understand how Curse might have some influence with WotC or how WotC folks might be lurking here to see how their customers are reacting to the new product?
If I worked at either company I would be reading every post in these threads.
Any idea how soon the mobile apps will launch? The biggest reason for me repurchasing these books is to have them searchable offline on my phone. Also, any screenshots of the apps in action yet?
I'm going to guess that we'll start seeing some good information about the apps after launch.
We don't have a target delivery date announced.
It's worthwhile to note that the mobile apps have been in development this whole time in conjunction with the web-based tools/site. More details to come for sure though!
That's good news. Hoping for app release sometime this year. I can't afford the legendary pack, but on launch I plan on getting the core books, and from there the supplement books before finally the quest books, maybe one a month til I catch up, although I will slow down a bit in September and November for the physical book releases I will be picking up
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If I worked at either company I would be reading every post in these threads.
Really? If I worked at either company, and my job weren't specifically to be reading every post in these threads, I think I'd be doing my job and when not on-the-clock I'd be doing something I find enjoyable and relaxing (which being on this forum as much as I am counts as specifically because I'm not responsible for the work being commented on).
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 already serve that market. DDB is intended to be an aid for tabletop play instead. Many players (like me) never repurchased the content on either of those sites because we don't play online.
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
There are three points, in my opinion, to DnDB:
First, as a digital companion to live play for players. The compendiums, item listings, spell listings, digital character builders, etc. are all tools that players use all the time, and now there's one place to get all of that instead of going to multiple sites, and it's backed by WotC. They are all serious time savers once you start using them. Ask yourself what a random condition specifically does, then search for it. Compare that to using a book to look it up. Then do a search for every buff spell in the game. You can't do that with the book. The extra speed is nice, the ability to everything using metadata is the real feature. You can't get that anywhere else. That's the point of buying the content.
Second, there's campaign management and DM tools. The full database that has been created with metadata for everything is going to be an incredible resource for DMs. The homebrew area is great as well. Again, instead of having to use multiple sites from multiple companies and combine it all together somehow, you get it all here in one place and it's all integrated. That's another point of buying the content.
Finally, and this is the big one, a digital book that can be shared outside of physically sitting at a table together. People have been clambering for WotC to put out digital versions of the books and I think some people are upset because they were hoping they were going to get free PDFs. This is how digital books are going to be released and instead of a PDF we can ctrl+F through, we get everything in the books tagged with metadata and tools that can take advantage of that.
I think some people were hit with sticker shock because there are so many books out right now and it's causing them to fail to see how incredible the deal is:
36 people can share a book one person bought and only one of those people needs to pay either $5.99/month or, if you do the full year route, $4.58/month for that to happen.
If you told people last year that WotC would be doing that, they would laugh at you because it sounds ridiculous. It's an insane deal and if people took a step back and looked forward to future releases they would be able to see that. We have a group of six people. If we all pitch in it's $5 each for the newest source book and around $9 each per year to keep the annual master tier subscription to share it.
I bailed on pre-ordering Xanathar's because I'm just going to get it through DnDB. I'll be doing the same for future books. I don't think I'm alone in that.
Now, I would encourage you to dig around on the site and see if you find value in it. If you mess around with it and keep an open, objective mindset, I have a feeling you'll start to understand the point.
I do understand what you are saying, maybe I'm just an old man. Although what happens if this site closes down or you have no internet access? The books do not require power to use and honestly, it doesn't take that long to search a book for something if you are familiar with the rules and layout of said book. That being said I can see a benefit to sharing said content with multiple people, I have run into my fair share of groups that don't have a book among them.
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
.....If you told people last year that WotC would be doing that, they would laugh at you because it sounds ridiculous. It's an insane deal and if people took a step back and looked forward to future releases they would be able to see that. We have a group of six people. If we all pitch in it's $5 each for the newest source book and around $9 each per year to keep the annual master tier subscription to share it.
I agree, for a well-established table, this is a boon. Although not all tables are as such and banking on it working out like that is unrealistic. I believe you can share content with 12 free accounts, if you are a master subscriber. If you can find 12 people who would pitch in then, yes this content would cost next to nothing. I'm not fully out on DND Beyond I'm just not sure if its for me yet.
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
There are three points, in my opinion, to DnDB:
First, as a digital companion to live play for players. The compendiums, item listings, spell listings, digital character builders, etc. are all tools that players use all the time, and now there's one place to get all of that instead of going to multiple sites, and it's backed by WotC. They are all serious time savers once you start using them. Ask yourself what a random condition specifically does, then search for it. Compare that to using a book to look it up. Then do a search for every buff spell in the game. You can't do that with the book. The extra speed is nice, the ability to everything using metadata is the real feature. You can't get that anywhere else. That's the point of buying the content.
Second, there's campaign management and DM tools. The full database that has been created with metadata for everything is going to be an incredible resource for DMs. The homebrew area is great as well. Again, instead of having to use multiple sites from multiple companies and combine it all together somehow, you get it all here in one place and it's all integrated. That's another point of buying the content.
Finally, and this is the big one, a digital book that can be shared outside of physically sitting at a table together. People have been clambering for WotC to put out digital versions of the books and I think some people are upset because they were hoping they were going to get free PDFs. This is how digital books are going to be released and instead of a PDF we can ctrl+F through, we get everything in the books tagged with metadata and tools that can take advantage of that.
I think some people were hit with sticker shock because there are so many books out right now and it's causing them to fail to see how incredible the deal is:
36 people can share a book one person bought and only one of those people needs to pay either $5.99/month or, if you do the full year route, $4.58/month for that to happen.
If you told people last year that WotC would be doing that, they would laugh at you because it sounds ridiculous. It's an insane deal and if people took a step back and looked forward to future releases they would be able to see that. We have a group of six people. If we all pitch in it's $5 each for the newest source book and around $9 each per year to keep the annual master tier subscription to share it.
I bailed on pre-ordering Xanathar's because I'm just going to get it through DnDB. I'll be doing the same for future books. I don't think I'm alone in that.
Now, I would encourage you to dig around on the site and see if you find value in it. If you mess around with it and keep an open, objective mindset, I have a feeling you'll start to understand the point.
Wow Mittens, i think you hit the nail on the head right there!
Spectacular explanation, and i agree with absolutely everything you said
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
Personally, I have zero use for a virtual table, but having a tool to end book flipping at the table is incredibly valuable to me. The links to spell details in a monster stat block alone would be worth twice the price to me, the characte builder and the rest is just gravy.
Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
No, and they aren't currently planning to make one.
Forgive me for asking a question that may lead some to rage, but whats the point of buying all of this content (again) and paying a subscription if there is no future virtual table?
There are three points, in my opinion, to DnDB:
First, as a digital companion to live play for players. The compendiums, item listings, spell listings, digital character builders, etc. are all tools that players use all the time, and now there's one place to get all of that instead of going to multiple sites, and it's backed by WotC. They are all serious time savers once you start using them. Ask yourself what a random condition specifically does, then search for it. Compare that to using a book to look it up. Then do a search for every buff spell in the game. You can't do that with the book. The extra speed is nice, the ability to everything using metadata is the real feature. You can't get that anywhere else. That's the point of buying the content.
Second, there's campaign management and DM tools. The full database that has been created with metadata for everything is going to be an incredible resource for DMs. The homebrew area is great as well. Again, instead of having to use multiple sites from multiple companies and combine it all together somehow, you get it all here in one place and it's all integrated. That's another point of buying the content.
Finally, and this is the big one, a digital book that can be shared outside of physically sitting at a table together. People have been clambering for WotC to put out digital versions of the books and I think some people are upset because they were hoping they were going to get free PDFs. This is how digital books are going to be released and instead of a PDF we can ctrl+F through, we get everything in the books tagged with metadata and tools that can take advantage of that.
I think some people were hit with sticker shock because there are so many books out right now and it's causing them to fail to see how incredible the deal is:
36 people can share a book one person bought and only one of those people needs to pay either $5.99/month or, if you do the full year route, $4.58/month for that to happen.
If you told people last year that WotC would be doing that, they would laugh at you because it sounds ridiculous. It's an insane deal and if people took a step back and looked forward to future releases they would be able to see that. We have a group of six people. If we all pitch in it's $5 each for the newest source book and around $9 each per year to keep the annual master tier subscription to share it.
I bailed on pre-ordering Xanathar's because I'm just going to get it through DnDB. I'll be doing the same for future books. I don't think I'm alone in that.
Now, I would encourage you to dig around on the site and see if you find value in it. If you mess around with it and keep an open, objective mindset, I have a feeling you'll start to understand the point.
Do you know what exactly comes with the purchase of a campaign?
Although what happens if this site closes down or you have no internet access?
The app is in development right now and I'm confident in Curse that they are going to deliver on it. They have a really great track record and the devs have been amazing during the beta. Once it's out, we'll have offline access in addition to online access. If it were online only, I would have some reservations. If the site closes down, I don't know what would happen. Again, I have faith in the team.
Badeye is downplaying quite a bit and understandably so, but if you read through the lines in some of the posts it's obvious that he or she (not sure of Badeye's gender) went to bat for the community and fought hard to get the prices down. Significantly down. That fact got lost in the uproar about cost and will probably be swept under the rug which is really unfortunate because it is a demonstration through action of the team's commitment to giving the community what it deserves while maintaining a sustainable business plan. They seem to genuinely care about the game and the community as much as they care about making DnDB a successful product.
The books do not require power to use and honestly, it doesn't take that long to search a book for something if you are familiar with the rules and layout of said book.
Books are great and I hear you on being able to search around it with relative ease once you've read it multiple times. That being said, DnDB completely blows that out of the water. It's lightning fast, so it takes seconds - literally seconds - to look something up. That includes rarely used things, like how much a gallon of ale costs or a hunk of cheese. There's also those in the moment things - if I blank on what the Frightened condition does when someone casts a spell that does that, I can look up the spell and then just hover over Frightened.
If you're a DM or someone who likes to tinker, the metadata is what the books don't have and that's the feature I most love. I don't have to fill out spreadsheets of data on magic items when I'm homebrewing things and making custom monsters is a lot faster with the spell metadata.
It may not be for you and it may not be for other people. If the books are working for you, awesome. I think there's huge value in it.
Do you know what exactly comes with the purchase of a campaign?
The entire campaign written digitally with chapters linked
All text tool tipped with monster/item/rules liked and with hover over information
All original artwork and high res maps
All monsters, items, spells, etc. that have been created for that adventure included in the listings beside all other content
And access to any future products that they release that include that information. I am lead to believe that when the encounter builder comes out that all encounters in the books will be pre created for you, however that last part may need to be confirmed
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Just to clarify, and I'm sorry if this has been asked or explained already, but does DnD beyond have a virtual table yet?
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Now, I would encourage you to dig around on the site and see if you find value in it. If you mess around with it and keep an open, objective mindset, I have a feeling you'll start to understand the point.
I do understand what you are saying, maybe I'm just an old man. Although what happens if this site closes down or you have no internet access? The books do not require power to use and honestly, it doesn't take that long to search a book for something if you are familiar with the rules and layout of said book. That being said I can see a benefit to sharing said content with multiple people, I have run into my fair share of groups that don't have a book among them.
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