I have some professional ethics challenges around using the term Shaman, so I wasn’t able to name the class that, it that’s what it is.
Oh? Please educate me about that.
So, the term Shaman has a particular origin, in part, and as was noted in the wiki citing Elide, there is a tendency (especially among western educated pros) to erase distinctions and present the whole as a "lesser" form of religious belief because of a deep bias towards animist and similar belief systems in a world where 75% of the population (rough) is monotheistic and all of those are hostile to such practices.
An example itself being how D&D handles religious systems by presumption of a pantheistic model and encouraging it, lol.
So, around 1990 or so, one of the Ethics standards published was to reduce the use of "Shaman" not merely in favor of the localized form, but also to avoid the term in general, in much the same way that I can't use the term "*****", and need to focus on the particular nomadic group (and if I say Roma, I have to be very precise, since not all nomadic groups are Roma).
Since on occasion one of our guest player will be one of my colleagues at some time or other, I try to avoid using it there lest I get smacked by them (humorously, to be sure, as we layer humor to cover any sting of correction), regardless of it being "just a game" since we all know it is not such.
Summation: it is simply good form not to look down on other peoples belief systems, and sometimes our language and terms are loaded with that contempt that professionals have to watch for, even if layfolk do not.
Ahh. Thank you. I never really perceived of the word “shaman” as a pejorative term since I personally don’t think of any religion as “lesser” than any other, merely different. Then again, I am also somewhat educated about various world religions as I studied them not only in college, but in my personal time as well. To my mind, the practice of interacting with the natural and spirit worlds is just as valid as any other form of worship or spiritualism, and in fact likely more practical then some other forms of faith as well. But we’ll not get too far into that here as religious discussions are frowned upon in these forums.
While I was aware that the term “shaman” has a particular origin, I thought it had evolved into more of a generalized term for all such practitioners similar to how the word “priest” has evolved in that same way. Since I A) don’t know all or even most of the localized titles for a person who fills that role in a culture, and B) would generally be speaking of all such practitioners as a whole instead of each in their specific context, what word would be more appropriate than “shaman” in that context?
Note that one can use "shamanistic". We are dealing with a process of changing a word back that was adopted during an imperialistic and colonizing period and influenced multiple fields for over a hundred years. And really, no one has come up with a better term because the *habit* is still there of relying on existing words from the described group as an origin (Dogon Sorcerer is an example of how I am sometimes described, yet it is a lot like saying "shaman shaman" or "sorcerer sorcerer", a common structure that seeks to affix a "strange word" in the mind of the reader with a known word).
Contextual connotation also matters -- When describing multiple groups from different cultures (and, specifically, when those cultures are on different continents) the use is still somewhat permitted -- and of course, try doing a google search without using the term Shaman: we still run into the challenge of layfolk and common usage outside the narrow confines of the field.
So, really, unless you are sending to a Journal, use Shaman. I mean, even folks in my workaday field of DEI aren't even vaguely interested in that as an issue of appropriation or bias because that's outside the scope of what they currently work on.
Like I said *i* have an ethical obligation. Everyone else is still pretty free, lol.
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would generally be speaking of all such practitioners as a whole instead of each in their specific context, what word would be more appropriate than “shaman” in that context?
So I spent some time googlizing for another name other than "Shaman" (ironically, when I googled - "another word for Shaman" - witch was one of them)... lol
But I think I landed on something, which could simply be Mystic.
So they would have the traits of speaking with the dead, speaking with animals, speaking with spirits, curing people, etc.
yes, that is another option, though not widely used in the field (because, ahem, magic isn't real, y'know).
An alternative name for my Jedi knock offs is "mystic". And I do have five "kinds" of magic: Arcane, Divine, Eldritch, Mystical, and Primal. So I have five spell lists. Well, six, but that's because "elemental" spells are part of all of them, but are on their own list.
Trivia: mystes and mystikos are ultimately derivation, and are directly related to those who have been initiated in the secret mysteries (in terms of the magical rituals and secret knowledge of the ancient Mysteries, of which there were several hundred different ones at least).
Crap, I need to adjust the flavor.
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What was your very first Character, Edition, and year?
Wood elf Ranger, Quarion Meliamne (hence the username). 5th edition, methinks somewhere around 2016. I was hooked by the first session. He reached level 3, became a Beast Master by taming a snake with a steak, and then my friend moved to Texas (as happens eerily often to my friends) and Quarion was lost to the sands of time. Alas.
I was also a 5e player first (though I have since branched out to other rpgs and even 3e (not 3.5), 4e, and 1e and 2e clones. My first character was… Amnon Balderk, a tiefling wild magic sorcerer who had found his home among dwarves. That campaign made it to level 7, I think? I have the original character sheet still (technically the second or third rewritten copy because others were messy). It ended because we started in 2019… and Covid came in during 2020 and blew up the world even more than the BBEG could. We played some short games online while we waited for the whole thing to blow over, and then it didn’t. Finally, my GM friend moved to Seoul and we lost contact.
Quar1on and I are eerily similar in our origin stories… I do believe that there is some connection here…
Hmm... maybe we're the same person from different dimensions! Quick, what do you call the most popular cola beverage?
Errr… Coke? I don’t drink soda…
Answered the question twice and didn't even know it...
Soda
Pop
Sodapop
Coke
Pepsi
Are all answers that have an impact and reveal a regional background influence that is socialized at a very young age for the most part (though not perfectly, and not absolutely).
Oh… my answer indicates that I didn’t fully read the question! I realize now that it says the most popular cola beverage… I would have said soda… I think I thought it said “What is the most popular soda?” My background clearly is: Cluttered mindset because I’ve started far too many large projects!
The cola question was a Spiderverse joke. Each Spiderman has a different Coca-Cola equivalent, at least in the first one.
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Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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The cola question was a Spiderverse joke. Each Spiderman has a different Coca-Cola equivalent, at least in the first one.
I don't remember that, but I watched Spiderverse #1 years ago. Anyways, I'm glad to see that someone else likes the series! Personally, I think it's completely great.
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from AEDorsay: “Now, the reason that all of this is important is that it carries the weight of of how important this role is among all of society. They are teachers -- and look at how we treat Teachers today, divorced from the once potent power of religious benefice. Yet people still speak about Nuns with a lot of the same kind of ominous knowledge (and fear of rulers, apparently) because those who teach do still have that attachment.” Even today the best teaching is storytelling - and discussion after the story. Whether it’s Newton’s apple, or the history of the war of the roses or Jesus’s parables the best teachers use stories to teach young and old alike. That’s part of why I got “into” the history of science years ago - the stories of discoveries are fascinating - as well as stories of the people involved. How many folks today really understand that much of our world today is based on the creation of an escaped Austrian Actress doing her best to help get rid of fascists? Or that we have the concept of density because a Greek philosopher/inventor wanted to keep his head despite being given an “unsolvable” problem by a Sicilian Tyrant?
Quarlon and Ammon, sometimes it works the other way - mostly my DMs stayed put but I moved - and took my PCs with me to new worlds until they got to the point that I had to retire them and so ended up with my own world they could “retire” to.
yes, that is another option, though not widely used in the field (because, ahem, magic isn't real, y'know).
Did no one in your field notice when I cast Wish to create the universe?????
They were too busy screaming in terror as I re-ordered it.
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I disagree. Fantasy Magic like in D&D might not be real, but magic exists all around us all the time, just most people don’t realize it.
My Master's thesis in Sociology was literally on magic in the modern world, and I had to rewrite several times because they all kept missing the point that magic derives from a shared sense of reality and I was highlighting that (without actually saying it, as I assumed they knew their own field if they dared to grade ME)
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I disagree. Fantasy Magic like in D&D might not be real, but magic exists all around us all the time, just most people don’t realize it.
My Master's thesis in Sociology was literally on magic in the modern world, and I had to rewrite several times because they all kept missing the point that magic derives from a shared sense of reality and I was highlighting that (without actually saying it, as I assumed they knew their own field if they dared to grade ME)
Why does a meal cooked with love taste better and be more satisfying than just regular food? Why is a sweater made with love cozier and comfier than off the rack clothes? Why do children (and some adults) get that shiver down their spines when mom yells for them using their whole name? The answer to all three of those is the same: magic. Mom knows us better even than we know ourselves, at least when we’re young. That understanding of a person right down to the core goes into that call and makes it a Truename. Now, as we grow older and evolve as people mom’s understanding of us as an individual becomes less comprehensive over time, and so our Truenames change somewhat, and since mom’s still using the older version so it has less effect on (most of) us when we’re adults. But that magic is still real. That love energy someone puts into a meal or a sweater or whatever is still real magic. When a dog gets excited because it knows its beloved human is on their way home, even when that person has only just left the office (and that actually happens, look it up), that’s real magic. Magic is real, people just don’t recognize it.
The cola question was a Spiderverse joke. Each Spiderman has a different Coca-Cola equivalent, at least in the first one.
I don't remember that, but I watched Spiderverse #1 years ago. Anyways, I'm glad to see that someone else likes the series! Personally, I think it's completely great.
It is a great movie. Have you seen Across the Spiderverse? It is also incredibly good.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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I disagree. Fantasy Magic like in D&D might not be real, but magic exists all around us all the time, just most people don’t realize it.
My Master's thesis in Sociology was literally on magic in the modern world, and I had to rewrite several times because they all kept missing the point that magic derives from a shared sense of reality and I was highlighting that (without actually saying it, as I assumed they knew their own field if they dared to grade ME)
Why does a meal cooked with love taste better and be more satisfying than just regular food? Why is a sweater made with love cozier and comfier than off the rack clothes? Why do children (and some adults) get that shiver down their spines when mom yells for them using their whole name?
The real burning questions are...
Why do they call them apartments when they're all connected?
Why is things by ship called cargo but things by cars are called shipment?
Why is it called a pair of pants when you only get one?
Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?
These.
These are the questions that keep me up at night...
The cola question was a Spiderverse joke. Each Spiderman has a different Coca-Cola equivalent, at least in the first one.
I don't remember that, but I watched Spiderverse #1 years ago. Anyways, I'm glad to see that someone else likes the series! Personally, I think it's completely great.
It is a great movie. Have you seen Across the Spiderverse? It is also incredibly good.
Yup. I loved it and can't wait for number 3!
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I disagree. Fantasy Magic like in D&D might not be real, but magic exists all around us all the time, just most people don’t realize it.
My Master's thesis in Sociology was literally on magic in the modern world, and I had to rewrite several times because they all kept missing the point that magic derives from a shared sense of reality and I was highlighting that (without actually saying it, as I assumed they knew their own field if they dared to grade ME)
Why does a meal cooked with love taste better and be more satisfying than just regular food? Why is a sweater made with love cozier and comfier than off the rack clothes? Why do children (and some adults) get that shiver down their spines when mom yells for them using their whole name?
The real burning questions are...
Why do they call them apartments when they're all connected?
Why is things by ship called cargo but things by cars are called shipment?
Why is it called a pair of pants when you only get one?
Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?
These.
These are the questions that keep me up at night...
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Depending on who you are working for, lol...
(tribal) priest, Lay healer, spiritual guide, spiritual leader, animist
Those are the most common.
Note that one can use "shamanistic". We are dealing with a process of changing a word back that was adopted during an imperialistic and colonizing period and influenced multiple fields for over a hundred years. And really, no one has come up with a better term because the *habit* is still there of relying on existing words from the described group as an origin (Dogon Sorcerer is an example of how I am sometimes described, yet it is a lot like saying "shaman shaman" or "sorcerer sorcerer", a common structure that seeks to affix a "strange word" in the mind of the reader with a known word).
Contextual connotation also matters -- When describing multiple groups from different cultures (and, specifically, when those cultures are on different continents) the use is still somewhat permitted -- and of course, try doing a google search without using the term Shaman: we still run into the challenge of layfolk and common usage outside the narrow confines of the field.
So, really, unless you are sending to a Journal, use Shaman. I mean, even folks in my workaday field of DEI aren't even vaguely interested in that as an issue of appropriation or bias because that's outside the scope of what they currently work on.
Like I said *i* have an ethical obligation. Everyone else is still pretty free, lol.
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So I spent some time googlizing for another name other than "Shaman" (ironically, when I googled - "another word for Shaman" - witch was one of them)... lol
But I think I landed on something, which could simply be Mystic.
So they would have the traits of speaking with the dead, speaking with animals, speaking with spirits, curing people, etc.
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Mysticism, Mystics, Mystical, Mysteries, lol...
yes, that is another option, though not widely used in the field (because, ahem, magic isn't real, y'know).
An alternative name for my Jedi knock offs is "mystic". And I do have five "kinds" of magic: Arcane, Divine, Eldritch, Mystical, and Primal. So I have five spell lists. Well, six, but that's because "elemental" spells are part of all of them, but are on their own list.
Trivia: mystes and mystikos are ultimately derivation, and are directly related to those who have been initiated in the secret mysteries (in terms of the magical rituals and secret knowledge of the ancient Mysteries, of which there were several hundred different ones at least).
Crap, I need to adjust the flavor.
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I disagree. Fantasy Magic like in D&D might not be real, but magic exists all around us all the time, just most people don’t realize it.
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Oh… my answer indicates that I didn’t fully read the question! I realize now that it says the most popular cola beverage… I would have said soda… I think I thought it said “What is the most popular soda?” My background clearly is: Cluttered mindset because I’ve started far too many large projects!
Did no one in your field notice when I cast Wish to create the universe?????
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HERE.The cola question was a Spiderverse joke. Each Spiderman has a different Coca-Cola equivalent, at least in the first one.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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I don't remember that, but I watched Spiderverse #1 years ago. Anyways, I'm glad to see that someone else likes the series! Personally, I think it's completely great.
BoringBard's long and tedious posts somehow manage to enrapture audiences. How? Because he used Charm Person, the #1 bard spell!
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HERE.Still catching up
from AEDorsay: “Now, the reason that all of this is important is that it carries the weight of of how important this role is among all of society. They are teachers -- and look at how we treat Teachers today, divorced from the once potent power of religious benefice. Yet people still speak about Nuns with a lot of the same kind of ominous knowledge (and fear of rulers, apparently) because those who teach do still have that attachment.”
Even today the best teaching is storytelling - and discussion after the story. Whether it’s Newton’s apple, or the history of the war of the roses or Jesus’s parables the best teachers use stories to teach young and old alike. That’s part of why I got “into” the history of science years ago - the stories of discoveries are fascinating - as well as stories of the people involved. How many folks today really understand that much of our world today is based on the creation of an escaped Austrian Actress doing her best to help get rid of fascists? Or that we have the concept of density because a Greek philosopher/inventor wanted to keep his head despite being given an “unsolvable” problem by a Sicilian Tyrant?
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.
Quarlon and Ammon, sometimes it works the other way - mostly my DMs stayed put but I moved - and took my PCs with me to new worlds until they got to the point that I had to retire them and so ended up with my own world they could “retire” to.
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.
They were too busy screaming in terror as I re-ordered it.
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My Master's thesis in Sociology was literally on magic in the modern world, and I had to rewrite several times because they all kept missing the point that magic derives from a shared sense of reality and I was highlighting that (without actually saying it, as I assumed they knew their own field if they dared to grade ME)
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I’m afraid I haven’t seen any of it… If you couldn’t tell (:
Why does a meal cooked with love taste better and be more satisfying than just regular food? Why is a sweater made with love cozier and comfier than off the rack clothes? Why do children (and some adults) get that shiver down their spines when mom yells for them using their whole name? The answer to all three of those is the same: magic. Mom knows us better even than we know ourselves, at least when we’re young. That understanding of a person right down to the core goes into that call and makes it a Truename. Now, as we grow older and evolve as people mom’s understanding of us as an individual becomes less comprehensive over time, and so our Truenames change somewhat, and since mom’s still using the older version so it has less effect on (most of) us when we’re adults. But that magic is still real. That love energy someone puts into a meal or a sweater or whatever is still real magic. When a dog gets excited because it knows its beloved human is on their way home, even when that person has only just left the office (and that actually happens, look it up), that’s real magic. Magic is real, people just don’t recognize it.
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It is a great movie. Have you seen Across the Spiderverse? It is also incredibly good.
Maybe the real magic is the friends we made along the way...
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Er, I meant in terms of a class. LOL
So if Shaman isn't OK - calling the class I want a Mystic.
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The real burning questions are...
Why do they call them apartments when they're all connected?
Why is things by ship called cargo but things by cars are called shipment?
Why is it called a pair of pants when you only get one?
Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?
These.
These are the questions that keep me up at night...
Check out my publication on DMs Guild: https://www.dmsguild.com/browse.php?author=Tawmis%20Logue
Check out my comedy web series - Neverending Nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wr4-u9-zw0&list=PLbRG7dzFI-u3EJd0usasgDrrFO3mZ1lOZ
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Yup. I loved it and can't wait for number 3!
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HERE.It's like déjà vu all over again all over again...
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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