Communism isn’t inherently evil. Just look at Vietnam — it’s socialist and thriving to this day.
Capitalism, on the other hand…
Just pointing out that communism and socialism aren’t the same thing either.
Very true. Under socialism, you can still own private property, but industrial production is controlled by the state. Sorry about that -- I was multitasking when I wrote the post and I didn't realize I'd oversimplified things until later on.
Agreed, Capitalism is inherently evil. Those who say otherwise are capitalists.
No system is inherently evil, the evil creeps in via implementation due to human bias. If capitalism is implemented with an emphasis on upward mobility for people in the lowest income brackets then things would look much, much different than they do in current capitalistic countries where the emphasis is geared towards wealth retention for those in the highest income brackets. Heck, as history has proven time and again, even socialist systems can be (and usually are) corrupted by those in power. Power’s number 1 job is to sustain itself, which almost inevitably leads to corruption. The “inherent” problems lies not within the systems themselves, but with the people who inhabit such systems. It’s a shame really, but people are the ones screwing everything up.
Can't screw up the system if you don't have a system.
Communism isn’t inherently evil. Just look at Vietnam — it’s socialist and thriving to this day.
Capitalism, on the other hand…
Just pointing out that communism and socialism aren’t the same thing either.
Very true. Under socialism, you can still own private property, but industrial production is controlled by the state. Sorry about that -- I was multitasking when I wrote the post and I didn't realize I'd oversimplified things until later on.
Agreed, Capitalism is inherently evil. Those who say otherwise are capitalists.
No system is inherently evil, the evil creeps in via implementation due to human bias. If capitalism is implemented with an emphasis on upward mobility for people in the lowest income brackets then things would look much, much different than they do in current capitalistic countries where the emphasis is geared towards wealth retention for those in the highest income brackets. Heck, as history has proven time and again, even socialist systems can be (and usually are) corrupted by those in power. Power’s number 1 job is to sustain itself, which almost inevitably leads to corruption. The “inherent” problems lies not within the systems themselves, but with the people who inhabit such systems. It’s a shame really, but people are the ones screwing everything up.
Can't screw up the system if you don't have a system.
But then everything else is screwed up.
Only if you believe Hobbes. If you look at the world, there are lots of good people. In fact, there may be more good people than bad people.
The only problem is that those bad people seek each other out, and form big groups. If we can prevent that though, we could have a society, without a government, that is based on mutual respect and compassion.
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Only if you believe Hobbes. If you look at the world, there are lots of good people. In fact, there may be more good people than bad people.
The only problem is that those bad people seek each other out, and form big groups. If we can prevent that though, we could have a society, without a government, that is based on mutual respect and compassion.
I believe in total depravity. All humans are evil. Nobody can do good (and that is why we need God's grace) and so I completely disagree.
Even if what you said is true, how would the disorganized good defeat the organized bad? You just said the bad people's strength lies in their organization, so the good would have to organize to overcome them. And then they just established a government.
I also want to point out that even though I completely disagree with just about everything you have said, I respect you and your beliefs. I think they are as wrong as 1+1=73 but I still want to be your friend and I mean no disrespect.
I have my own opinions on the situation, but everyone here has already made up their minds.
That is often the case. Still, discussion can be fruitful and informative. If you would rather us stop I wouldn't mind dropping the issue or taking it to pms because it is pretty out of place in a Dungeons and Dragons forum.
You need to establish leaders and hierarchy in order to decide what happens. Then you need to have rules for what they can and can't do and rules for what the people under them can and can't do. I don't see how this doesn't become some sort of government, especially because this would be world scale.
Then there is the question of how do you tell who is good and who is bad? The people in power are bad? Well, you will be placing more people in power and power corrupts. And there will still be evil people doing evil things who aren't in positions of power. How will you stop thieves and murderers if there are no laws or people in power to judge and punish them?
I have my own opinions on the situation, but everyone here has already made up their minds.
That is often the case. Still, discussion can be fruitful and informative. If you would rather us stop I wouldn't mind dropping the issue or taking it to pms because it is pretty out of place in a Dungeons and Dragons forum.
I wouldn’t mind taking it to PMs. It’s an interesting discussion. No real need, though.
All I have to say is that bad people and wealthy people will always have an outsized impact on everyone else. Even if you take away their wealth, there are always people who think they’re superior and have the right to put themselves above others. Every nation will have those people. Although I’ll admit it’d be nice to not have laws actively making rich people richer and poor people poorer.
I'm gonna heat up some polish sausage and make potato pancakes using a mix. (I fry them on a griddle.) What are you guys having for dinner?
I’ll be missing dinner due to band things. So I don’t actually know, lol.
Ooooh what do you play? Trumpet or one of the lesser instruments? (And any songs you're practicing that you particularly like? I remember there were a few I really enjoyed. March Slav was nice.)
I'm gonna heat up some polish sausage and make potato pancakes using a mix. (I fry them on a griddle.) What are you guys having for dinner?
Unfortunately, probably something frozen and heated up with the stove or microwave.
Frozen meal from the store or something you had leftovers of from before?
Probably a mixture of both. We have some shrimp left over from a night ago and maybe some sort of pasta, but we will most likely have to dig through the freezer and find something. I need to learn how to cook.
I'm gonna heat up some polish sausage and make potato pancakes using a mix. (I fry them on a griddle.) What are you guys having for dinner?
Unfortunately, probably something frozen and heated up with the stove or microwave.
Frozen meal from the store or something you had leftovers of from before?
Probably a mixture of both. We have some shrimp left over from a night ago and maybe some sort of pasta, but we will most likely have to dig through the freezer and find something. I need to learn how to cook.
What kind of food do you like? I could suggest some simple recipes. (Though I'm not a seafood person, so I'll no tips in that regard.)
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But then everything else is screwed up.
Only if you believe Hobbes. If you look at the world, there are lots of good people. In fact, there may be more good people than bad people.
The only problem is that those bad people seek each other out, and form big groups. If we can prevent that though, we could have a society, without a government, that is based on mutual respect and compassion.
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"You're never fully dressed without a smile!" >:3
"Honk."
I believe in total depravity. All humans are evil. Nobody can do good (and that is why we need God's grace) and so I completely disagree.
Even if what you said is true, how would the disorganized good defeat the organized bad? You just said the bad people's strength lies in their organization, so the good would have to organize to overcome them. And then they just established a government.
I also want to point out that even though I completely disagree with just about everything you have said, I respect you and your beliefs. I think they are as wrong as 1+1=73 but I still want to be your friend and I mean no disrespect.
I have my own opinions on the situation, but everyone here has already made up their minds.
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Organization doesn't require government.
Government requires organization.
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"You're never fully dressed without a smile!" >:3
"Honk."
That is often the case. Still, discussion can be fruitful and informative. If you would rather us stop I wouldn't mind dropping the issue or taking it to pms because it is pretty out of place in a Dungeons and Dragons forum.
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I'm gonna heat up some polish sausage and make potato pancakes using a mix. (I fry them on a griddle.) What are you guys having for dinner?
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Ah, an enlightened one.
I will most likely be eating leftover jambalaya from a box. Possibly with french-fried onions on top. Potentially cheese.
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I had bulgogi as a very late lunch, followed by pistachio ice cream.
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"You're never fully dressed without a smile!" >:3
"Honk."
You need to establish leaders and hierarchy in order to decide what happens. Then you need to have rules for what they can and can't do and rules for what the people under them can and can't do. I don't see how this doesn't become some sort of government, especially because this would be world scale.
Then there is the question of how do you tell who is good and who is bad? The people in power are bad? Well, you will be placing more people in power and power corrupts. And there will still be evil people doing evil things who aren't in positions of power. How will you stop thieves and murderers if there are no laws or people in power to judge and punish them?
Sounds nice. (Although I've learned onions do not agree with me.) Is Jambalaya a favorite of yours to cook?
Never had bulgogi. What does it taste like?
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Unfortunately, probably something frozen and heated up with the stove or microwave.
I wouldn’t mind taking it to PMs. It’s an interesting discussion. No real need, though.
All I have to say is that bad people and wealthy people will always have an outsized impact on everyone else. Even if you take away their wealth, there are always people who think they’re superior and have the right to put themselves above others. Every nation will have those people. Although I’ll admit it’d be nice to not have laws actively making rich people richer and poor people poorer.
I’ll be missing dinner due to band things. So I don’t actually know, lol.
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Frozen meal from the store or something you had leftovers of from before?
Ooooh what do you play? Trumpet or one of the lesser instruments? (And any songs you're practicing that you particularly like? I remember there were a few I really enjoyed. March Slav was nice.)
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Probably a mixture of both. We have some shrimp left over from a night ago and maybe some sort of pasta, but we will most likely have to dig through the freezer and find something. I need to learn how to cook.
What kind of food do you like? I could suggest some simple recipes. (Though I'm not a seafood person, so I'll no tips in that regard.)
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Not really, but it's what we have. I can't always eat something fun or good, unfortunately.
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