So scrying makes an invisible sensor through which you can see and hear. Misty step can teleport you in a place which you can see. So is it possible to do so? Like... if I understand correctly how scrying work you can start scrying on somebody when he/she on the same plane of existence and then if it goes on the other — spell doesn’t end.
You can teleport to a location you can see through scrying as long as that spot is no more than 30 feet from you and on the same plane (since that is the limit of misty step).
I would argue dew to the fact that misty step doesn’t have a range of 30 ft. Instead it teleports you in an unoccupied space that you can see which is in maximum of 30 ft of you. Like if you look through a mirror for scrying and you are standing 5ft from it you can teleport into the 25 ft of land that you can see in that mirror
while i was writing it I understood that my point of view is not perfectly reasonable but for me it is more to what your gm says
In general, distances between planes are considered infinitely far apart for the purposes of spell range.
Just to elaborate on that a bit. Without the use of other spells like planeshift or some sort of portal it is not possible to get to a location in another plane of existence. This means that two locations in different planes, even if occupying the same spot in 3D (like ethereal or astral vs prime material), those points are "infinitely far apart" because it is not possible to get from one to the other.
Misty step has a range of 30'. Any location on another plane is not within 30' unless the DM has created a portal or allowed one to be created which might allow a creature to expend 30' of movement to get to that location (or the DM chooses to use other mechanisms to determine range).
So using a scrying device to see a location beyond 30' from your current location would not allow you to misty step there.
However, you could probably use a scrying device to look at a room on the other side of a 10' thick wall with no doors and then use misty step to enter that room because it is within 30', on the same plane and a location that you can see due to the use of the scrying device.
If your scrying device was on another plane of existence and there was no portal for you to pass through then I, personally, would rule that you can't use misty step to travel to a different plane.
On the other hand, if you were within 30' of a gate or portal to that plane where you could pass through then I likely would allow misty step to work since if there were no obstructions in the way, you could walk to the location and pass through to the other plane. In my opinion, misty step could make use of existing portals but it won't create one to allow you to teleport across planes. Compare misty step to the much more powerful teleport spell. Teleport explicitly restricts transport to the same plane of existence. Misty step is also teleport but as DM I would personally allow it to transport to a location through a portal within 30' but would not allow it to transport a creature between planes without a pre-existing local connection between the planes.
I would argue dew to the fact that misty step doesn’t have a range of 30 ft. Instead it teleports you in an unoccupied space that you can see which is in maximum of 30 ft of you. Like if you look through a mirror for scrying and you are standing 5ft from it you can teleport into the 25 ft of land that you can see in that mirror
while i was writing it I understood that my point of view is not perfectly reasonable but for me it is more to what your gm says
your point of view is extremely unreasonable as scrying is not a portal. If I am watching TV of a live event located 100 miles away, and I am 5 feet from my TV and the event is 20 feet from the camera, do you think I can move 25 feet and be at the event? I can't move through the portal so of course not, i'm still 100 miles away. Being able to see something through a scry doesn't mean you are any closer to it.
Now, its different if the thing you are looking through is an actual portal, such as one created by demiplane or gate (the last one is only if the DM rules you can see through the portal...arcane gate for example says the portal is opaque, but that isn't said for gate ) In a similar case to the above where the item you are looking through is a portal, you could misty step through, because you could also move 25 feet and be at the location.
In general, distances between planes are considered infinitely far apart for the purposes of spell range.
Just to elaborate on that a bit. Without the use of other spells like planeshift or some sort of portal it is not possible to get to a location in another plane of existence. This means that two locations in different planes, even if occupying the same spot in 3D (like ethereal or astral vs prime material), those points are "infinitely far apart" because it is not possible to get from one to the other.
Misty step has a range of 30'. Any location on another plane is not within 30' unless the DM has created a portal or allowed one to be created which might allow a creature to expend 30' of movement to get to that location (or the DM chooses to use other mechanisms to determine range).
So using a scrying device to see a location beyond 30' from your current location would not allow you to misty step there.
However, you could probably use a scrying device to look at a room on the other side of a 10' thick wall with no doors and then use misty step to enter that room because it is within 30', on the same plane and a location that you can see due to the use of the scrying device.
If your scrying device was on another plane of existence and there was no portal for you to pass through then I, personally, would rule that you can't use misty step to travel to a different plane.
On the other hand, if you were within 30' of a gate or portal to that plane where you could pass through then I likely would allow misty step to work since if there were no obstructions in the way, you could walk to the location and pass through to the other plane. In my opinion, misty step could make use of existing portals but it won't create one to allow you to teleport across planes. Compare misty step to the much more powerful teleport spell. Teleport explicitly restricts transport to the same plane of existence. Misty step is also teleport but as DM I would personally allow it to transport to a location through a portal within 30' but would not allow it to transport a creature between planes without a pre-existing local connection between the planes.
I would argue dew to the fact that misty step doesn’t have a range of 30 ft. Instead it teleports you in an unoccupied space that you can see which is in maximum of 30 ft of you. Like if you look through a mirror for scrying and you are standing 5ft from it you can teleport into the 25 ft of land that you can see in that mirror
Also just pointing out in D&D this argument doesn't really work out the way you imagine it. Because in D&D your sight for spells like Misty step is not one directional. So you literally look over your shoulder and warp 25ft. Not use the mirror to look behind you 25ft.
And yeah it doesn't have a range of 30ft because the spell would make 0 sense if it had a range of more than self. That would imply you could cast it on other things.
If a scrying orb is located further than 30ft from you you cannot misty step through it. You can only move 30ft. So if the scry is on the other plane of a existence, or even following someone that is 50ft to your right. The only place you could jump to is somewhere that is within 30ft of you.
Interestingly, there are a few spells with a range of Sight: Storm of Vengeance, Skywrite, Tsunami, and Mirage Arcane. I kind of like the idea of scrying + Skywrite to heckle someone from afar.
Interestingly, there are a few spells with a range of Sight: Storm of Vengeance, Skywrite, Tsunami, and Mirage Arcane. I kind of like the idea of scrying + Skywrite to heckle someone from afar.
Problem is Skywrite and Scrying are both concentration. The moment you start casting Skywrite - concentration on Scrying ends and you can't see it any more.
I mean, yes, you could Misty Step through a wall if you’re scrying on something on the other side of the wall. But not across a continent or to another plane. There’s no reason to interpret the distance between two points as the sum of the distance from you to the scrying focus and from the sensor to the target point. Putting a TV on your boat in the middle of the ocean and watching a live show doesn’t mean you’re legally in territorial waters.
There’s also Rules as Intended. Why would you not get access to Teleport until you can cast l7 spells, when you could do the same thing with a combo of l5 and lower spells?
There’s also the rule of cool. If you have role-played hard to get the scrying to succeed and the DM wants to reward your creativity, they might allow it. But they need to be careful about the precedent it sets. A usage that’s cool now might be game-breaking later.
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So scrying makes an invisible sensor through which you can see and hear. Misty step can teleport you in a place which you can see. So is it possible to do so? Like... if I understand correctly how scrying work you can start scrying on somebody when he/she on the same plane of existence and then if it goes on the other — spell doesn’t end.
You can teleport to a location you can see through scrying as long as that spot is no more than 30 feet from you and on the same plane (since that is the limit of misty step).
I would argue dew to the fact that misty step doesn’t have a range of 30 ft. Instead it teleports you in an unoccupied space that you can see which is in maximum of 30 ft of you. Like if you look through a mirror for scrying and you are standing 5ft from it you can teleport into the 25 ft of land that you can see in that mirror
while i was writing it I understood that my point of view is not perfectly reasonable but for me it is more to what your gm says
I think the same but not with “on the same plane”. Misty step doesn’t have this limitation and you can teleport freely through invisible portals
Maybe if the portal is within 30 feet of you, but short of that there is no way to determine distance across planes.
In general, distances between planes are considered infinitely far apart for the purposes of spell range.
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Just to elaborate on that a bit. Without the use of other spells like planeshift or some sort of portal it is not possible to get to a location in another plane of existence. This means that two locations in different planes, even if occupying the same spot in 3D (like ethereal or astral vs prime material), those points are "infinitely far apart" because it is not possible to get from one to the other.
Misty step has a range of 30'. Any location on another plane is not within 30' unless the DM has created a portal or allowed one to be created which might allow a creature to expend 30' of movement to get to that location (or the DM chooses to use other mechanisms to determine range).
So using a scrying device to see a location beyond 30' from your current location would not allow you to misty step there.
However, you could probably use a scrying device to look at a room on the other side of a 10' thick wall with no doors and then use misty step to enter that room because it is within 30', on the same plane and a location that you can see due to the use of the scrying device.
If your scrying device was on another plane of existence and there was no portal for you to pass through then I, personally, would rule that you can't use misty step to travel to a different plane.
On the other hand, if you were within 30' of a gate or portal to that plane where you could pass through then I likely would allow misty step to work since if there were no obstructions in the way, you could walk to the location and pass through to the other plane. In my opinion, misty step could make use of existing portals but it won't create one to allow you to teleport across planes. Compare misty step to the much more powerful teleport spell. Teleport explicitly restricts transport to the same plane of existence. Misty step is also teleport but as DM I would personally allow it to transport to a location through a portal within 30' but would not allow it to transport a creature between planes without a pre-existing local connection between the planes.
your point of view is extremely unreasonable as scrying is not a portal. If I am watching TV of a live event located 100 miles away, and I am 5 feet from my TV and the event is 20 feet from the camera, do you think I can move 25 feet and be at the event? I can't move through the portal so of course not, i'm still 100 miles away. Being able to see something through a scry doesn't mean you are any closer to it.
Now, its different if the thing you are looking through is an actual portal, such as one created by demiplane or gate (the last one is only if the DM rules you can see through the portal...arcane gate for example says the portal is opaque, but that isn't said for gate ) In a similar case to the above where the item you are looking through is a portal, you could misty step through, because you could also move 25 feet and be at the location.
Ok yeah I get it. I changed my mind. Thanks
Also just pointing out in D&D this argument doesn't really work out the way you imagine it. Because in D&D your sight for spells like Misty step is not one directional. So you literally look over your shoulder and warp 25ft. Not use the mirror to look behind you 25ft.
And yeah it doesn't have a range of 30ft because the spell would make 0 sense if it had a range of more than self. That would imply you could cast it on other things.
If a scrying orb is located further than 30ft from you you cannot misty step through it. You can only move 30ft. So if the scry is on the other plane of a existence, or even following someone that is 50ft to your right. The only place you could jump to is somewhere that is within 30ft of you.
Interestingly, there are a few spells with a range of Sight: Storm of Vengeance, Skywrite, Tsunami, and Mirage Arcane. I kind of like the idea of scrying + Skywrite to heckle someone from afar.
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Problem is Skywrite and Scrying are both concentration. The moment you start casting Skywrite - concentration on Scrying ends and you can't see it any more.
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I mean, yes, you could Misty Step through a wall if you’re scrying on something on the other side of the wall. But not across a continent or to another plane. There’s no reason to interpret the distance between two points as the sum of the distance from you to the scrying focus and from the sensor to the target point. Putting a TV on your boat in the middle of the ocean and watching a live show doesn’t mean you’re legally in territorial waters.
There’s also Rules as Intended. Why would you not get access to Teleport until you can cast l7 spells, when you could do the same thing with a combo of l5 and lower spells?
There’s also the rule of cool. If you have role-played hard to get the scrying to succeed and the DM wants to reward your creativity, they might allow it. But they need to be careful about the precedent it sets. A usage that’s cool now might be game-breaking later.