Roll20 will model the dice correctly, after a little user customization (easily googleable). I haven't tried playing a healer in any of the other VTTs.
Thanks for bumping this thread. It's so galling that they are working so hard to get an app going and Encounter Builder and dice rolling and still refuse to update the most basic bug that has existed for 3 years.
Oh I got a message how I'm breaking the rules for that bump. I get it... I'll try to add more depth to my next post on how the life cleric isn't updated next time.
I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
Yeah, that sounds crazy. Someone needs retraining if they think it works in the back end but we know customers cant see it isn't a problem. Also just to test i tried rolling digital dice, defiantly not applying to there either. If this wasn't the only version of Cleric that a new player has access to It would bother me far less.
I would hope to high heaven that that means 'we've fixed it but haven't rolled it out yet,' but if that was the case it should have been what the rep said.
I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
Wow. That response makes no sense. If it doesn’t show up to users then it’s broken. If the issue is the front end not correctly pulling the data then it should be easy to fix.
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I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
That's super nice. You're right that it's also total BS. What "back end" system, some sort of separate system where everything is magically correct and they spent money to build correctly but they won't let their customers use because....? It's just so gosh darned insulting to be lied to like this. What's really sad is, you know this is never getting fixed because the number of people unsubbing because of it is a calculated value X which is less than Y which is the perceived cost of fixing it.
Notice I said perceived. Who knows what the actual work required is..... sigh.
I got annoyed so I checked the network log when you roll dice.... They do not implement server side dice rolls, the only thing that they DO, which you all should be aware of is google tracking and facebook tracking, for every time you cast a spell or roll dice. Enjoy that, folks.
I'm very sorry about the missing Life Cleric bonuses to our character sheets. As someone who loves clerics, and as a DM with a life cleric in her party, I understand how frustrating it is to have a core aspect of the character not appearing.
To clarify a bit, at the moment the bonuses to life clerics are not a feature that is currently implemented. They are not considered "broken", because that implies that the feature is there but not working properly. The development team is making much needed changes to the system right now that will allow these types of features to work on the Character Sheets.
The important part is that we are working to get this feature implemented, and I thank you profusely for your patience. I promise to share any updates I can.
I'm very sorry about the missing Life Cleric bonuses to our character sheets. As someone who loves clerics, and as a DM with a life cleric in her party, I understand how frustrating it is to have a core aspect of the character not appearing.
To clarify a bit, at the moment the bonuses to life clerics are not a feature that is currently implemented. They are not considered "broken", because that implies that the feature is there but not working properly. The development team is making much needed changes to the system right now that will allow these types of features to work on the Character Sheets.
The important part is that we are working to get this feature implemented, and I thank you profusely for your patience. I promise to share any updates I can.
It's quite a bit of a disservice to your customers to try to minimize the impact by categorizing it with different names. From a player's perspective - whatever the reason - it doesn't work. As a software developer, I understand the desire to "do things right" but at a certain point (two and a half years since people started reporting the issue) it just needs to be fixed. It may cause some rework later, but it's a core function. If we can't trust the information on the character sheet, the site as a whole loses an incredible amount of value.
I realize different teams have different skill sets, but features such as dice rolling and mobile character sheets seem much less impressive when the foundation is broken.
I personally don't get why everyone is so incensed by this.
I just add a note to the spells. All I need. Took less than 2 minutes to do this for all my heal spells.
So much fuss over such a tiny thing. Jeebus.
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It's like saying paper character sheets are broken because they don't specify this bonus for you.
Writing a note, by text field or on paper, is the same either way. I have an 8 year old niece who knows how type in a text box.
I am having a real hard time understanding how impactful this is. If you struggle to remember the feature that is written in the features section, then add the note where its more relevant. Simples. You don't need to be experienced with D&D to know this - it's a base logic taught to kids and even kids these days know how to work a textbox.
I appreciate it would be nice for the sheet to do it for you, but really don't understand how thelack is some severe hinderance. It still works out better and easier than pen and paper.- and new people seem to manage with that just fine.
Please understand I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand this level and amount of complaints for such a miniscule thing that you can do yourself in minutes (less if you have less healing spells). And you only need to make the note if you struggle to remember the feature. And making a note would be something you'd do on a paper sheet. I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
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I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
That's super nice. You're right that it's also total BS. What "back end" system, some sort of separate system where everything is magically correct and they spent money to build correctly but they won't let their customers use because....? It's just so gosh darned insulting to be lied to like this. What's really sad is, you know this is never getting fixed because the number of people unsubbing because of it is a calculated value X which is less than Y which is the perceived cost of fixing it.
Notice I said perceived. Who knows what the actual work required is..... sigh.
I got annoyed so I checked the network log when you roll dice.... They do not implement server side dice rolls, the only thing that they DO, which you all should be aware of is google tracking and facebook tracking, for every time you cast a spell or roll dice. Enjoy that, folks.
The dice rolling is only a script which is running when you open the page up, you choose whether its active or not by going to your dice page. Would have to be done that way to run on your system, and not the server side, so not to overload the server with people thinking it would be funny to roll multitudes of dice. As to google/facebook tracking, honestly if you are so worried about those two tracking you, dont be using the internet or go use a VPN.
It's like saying paper character sheets are broken because they don't specify this bonus for you.
Writing a note, by text field or on paper, is the same either way. I have an 8 year old niece who knows how type in a text box.
I am having a real hard time understanding how impactful this is. If you struggle to remember the feature that is written in the features section, then add the note where its more relevant. Simples. You don't need to be experienced with D&D to know this - it's a base logic taught to kids and even kids these days know how to work a textbox.
I appreciate it would be nice for the sheet to do it for you, but really don't understand how thelack is some severe hinderance. It still works out better and easier than pen and paper.- and new people seem to manage with that just fine.
Please understand I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand this level and amount of complaints for such a miniscule thing that you can do yourself in minutes (less if you have less healing spells). And you only need to make the note if you struggle to remember the feature. And making a note would be something you'd do on a paper sheet. I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
It comes down to people not wanting to use their brains to calculate when it rolls. You can add the +2 to the spell by customizing, its just the level doesnt get added which you have to add manually.
It's like saying paper character sheets are broken because they don't specify this bonus for you.
Writing a note, by text field or on paper, is the same either way. I have an 8 year old niece who knows how type in a text box.
I am having a real hard time understanding how impactful this is. If you struggle to remember the feature that is written in the features section, then add the note where its more relevant. Simples. You don't need to be experienced with D&D to know this - it's a base logic taught to kids and even kids these days know how to work a textbox.
I appreciate it would be nice for the sheet to do it for you, but really don't understand how thelack is some severe hinderance. It still works out better and easier than pen and paper.- and new people seem to manage with that just fine.
Please understand I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand this level and amount of complaints for such a miniscule thing that you can do yourself in minutes (less if you have less healing spells). And you only need to make the note if you struggle to remember the feature. And making a note would be something you'd do on a paper sheet. I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
Sure, in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal. But we are asking for a feature that is part of the rules dndbeyond is supposed to mirror. It doesn't so we are asking for it, because we assumed it would work, given the high level of quality present in the rest of the product. We are (at least I am) paying customers too, which makes us feel like maybe we ought to voice our opinion in the forums provided for exactly such a purpose.
And we are getting feedback from the devs, which is nice.
So, hopefully I've explained what all of us are doing in this thread?
It's like saying paper character sheets are broken because they don't specify this bonus for you.
Writing a note, by text field or on paper, is the same either way. I have an 8 year old niece who knows how type in a text box.
I am having a real hard time understanding how impactful this is. If you struggle to remember the feature that is written in the features section, then add the note where its more relevant. Simples. You don't need to be experienced with D&D to know this - it's a base logic taught to kids and even kids these days know how to work a textbox.
I appreciate it would be nice for the sheet to do it for you, but really don't understand how thelack is some severe hinderance. It still works out better and easier than pen and paper.- and new people seem to manage with that just fine.
Please understand I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand this level and amount of complaints for such a miniscule thing that you can do yourself in minutes (less if you have less healing spells). And you only need to make the note if you struggle to remember the feature. And making a note would be something you'd do on a paper sheet. I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
Sure, in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal. But we are asking for a feature that is part of the rules dndbeyond is supposed to mirror. It doesn't so we are asking for it, because we assumed it would work, given the high level of quality present in the rest of the product. We are (at least I am) paying customers too, which makes us feel like maybe we ought to voice our opinion in the forums provided for exactly such a purpose.
And we are getting feedback from the devs, which is nice.
So, hopefully I've explained what all of us are doing in this thread?
I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
It's sad having to explain this but OK.
My posts aren't about people going "I think this would be a good idea" or "this would be helpful, can you please add it" - my posts are directed to those saying "this is broken fix it now" , "it's been years why haven't you done anything" and so on.
Wanting a feature and asking for it is perfectly Okie Doke.
Demanding a fix for something not actually broken and insulting D&D Beyond over it, especially after they've said they'll consider it, is not OK by any standard.
This thread is filled - pages and pages - of complaints. Not requests. Complaints. For some very small thingthey want added that they (very incorrectly) describe as broken. It confuses me.
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There are a lot of people here who pay DDB for the functionality it’s supposed to provide, including me. Part of that functionality is providing accurate character sheets. You seem to be implying that no one should complain because it’s “not actually broken” because they never implemented it in the first place (which is baffling on its own, but that’s another topic).
I get that maybe it’s a small thing to you and you don’t really care if your character sheets are accurate because, hey, you can just add a note that tells you what to do. If that’s the case, why use DDB at all for character sheets when you can just use pen and paper? For the rest of us, we expect things to work correctly, and drawing constant attention to an issue that has been outstanding for years at this point is all we can do to make sure DDB understands that it’s important to many of us. I’m not sure why you find this confusing.
There are a lot of people here who pay DDB for the functionality it’s supposed to provide, including me. Part of that functionality is providing accurate character sheets. You seem to be implying that no one should complain because it’s “not actually broken” because they never implemented it in the first place (which is baffling on its own, but that’s another topic).
I get that maybe it’s a small thing to you and you don’t really care if your character sheets are accurate because, hey, you can just add a note that tells you what to do. If that’s the case, why use DDB at all for character sheets when you can just use pen and paper? For the rest of us, we expect things to work correctly, and drawing constant attention to an issue that has been outstanding for years at this point is all we can do to make sure DDB understands that it’s important to many of us. I’m not sure why you find this confusing.
Just to throw a wrench in your "but I'm a paying customer" logic: the character sheet is free so it's operation wasn't something you paid for and Life cleric is a free subclass so you never paid for that either. The feature is described accurately on the sheet in the correct place which is all the sheet is ever advertised to do.
Having one feature automatically go and change stuff from other places, like spells, isn't something they advertised. It's something you can do yourself. You just want them to make it automatic for your convenience. That's it. I understand why you want that specific convenience, I don't understand why you think it's broken or somehow expect them to prioritise this for you when there's other more important stuff. If this was some big thing, a massive inconvenience you had to do, I'd be with you. But... It's not. It's super tiny, barely an inconvenience at all.
It took me 2 mins to note all my healing spells for my 20th level life cleric. I've spent nearly 5 times that amount of time picking a name.
As I've said, I fully understand wanting the sheet to do it for you. I don't understand why many are being pissy about it. It's one thing to politely say you also want the feature, it's another to be a dick about it. My posts are to the latter, if you think that means you, then that's on you.
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Are there any non-dndbeyond solutions? what other online character sheet options are there?
Roll20 will model the dice correctly, after a little user customization (easily googleable). I haven't tried playing a healer in any of the other VTTs.
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Oh I got a message how I'm breaking the rules for that bump. I get it... I'll try to add more depth to my next post on how the life cleric isn't updated next time.
I had an interaction with customer service recently... they said it’s not broken. It works in their back-end system, users just can’t see it. I told them that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and asked if they knew what broken meant. I’ve canceled my subscription. I refuse to pay to keep paying money for a product that doesn’t work to a company that clearly doesn’t care. If everyone keeps paying they have zero incentive to fix the problems.
Yeah, that sounds crazy. Someone needs retraining if they think it works in the back end but we know customers cant see it isn't a problem. Also just to test i tried rolling digital dice, defiantly not applying to there either. If this wasn't the only version of Cleric that a new player has access to It would bother me far less.
I would hope to high heaven that that means 'we've fixed it but haven't rolled it out yet,' but if that was the case it should have been what the rep said.
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Wow. That response makes no sense. If it doesn’t show up to users then it’s broken. If the issue is the front end not correctly pulling the data then it should be easy to fix.
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That's super nice. You're right that it's also total BS. What "back end" system, some sort of separate system where everything is magically correct and they spent money to build correctly but they won't let their customers use because....? It's just so gosh darned insulting to be lied to like this. What's really sad is, you know this is never getting fixed because the number of people unsubbing because of it is a calculated value X which is less than Y which is the perceived cost of fixing it.
Notice I said perceived. Who knows what the actual work required is..... sigh.
I got annoyed so I checked the network log when you roll dice.... They do not implement server side dice rolls, the only thing that they DO, which you all should be aware of is google tracking and facebook tracking, for every time you cast a spell or roll dice. Enjoy that, folks.
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I'm very sorry about the missing Life Cleric bonuses to our character sheets. As someone who loves clerics, and as a DM with a life cleric in her party, I understand how frustrating it is to have a core aspect of the character not appearing.
To clarify a bit, at the moment the bonuses to life clerics are not a feature that is currently implemented. They are not considered "broken", because that implies that the feature is there but not working properly. The development team is making much needed changes to the system right now that will allow these types of features to work on the Character Sheets.
The important part is that we are working to get this feature implemented, and I thank you profusely for your patience. I promise to share any updates I can.
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It's quite a bit of a disservice to your customers to try to minimize the impact by categorizing it with different names. From a player's perspective - whatever the reason - it doesn't work. As a software developer, I understand the desire to "do things right" but at a certain point (two and a half years since people started reporting the issue) it just needs to be fixed. It may cause some rework later, but it's a core function. If we can't trust the information on the character sheet, the site as a whole loses an incredible amount of value.
I realize different teams have different skill sets, but features such as dice rolling and mobile character sheets seem much less impressive when the foundation is broken.
I personally don't get why everyone is so incensed by this.
I just add a note to the spells. All I need. Took less than 2 minutes to do this for all my heal spells.
So much fuss over such a tiny thing. Jeebus.
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My personal issue is that it's the core subclass feature for the only free cleric domain. This means it is impacting the least experienced players.
It's like saying paper character sheets are broken because they don't specify this bonus for you.
Writing a note, by text field or on paper, is the same either way. I have an 8 year old niece who knows how type in a text box.
I am having a real hard time understanding how impactful this is. If you struggle to remember the feature that is written in the features section, then add the note where its more relevant. Simples. You don't need to be experienced with D&D to know this - it's a base logic taught to kids and even kids these days know how to work a textbox.
I appreciate it would be nice for the sheet to do it for you, but really don't understand how thelack is some severe hinderance. It still works out better and easier than pen and paper.- and new people seem to manage with that just fine.
Please understand I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand this level and amount of complaints for such a miniscule thing that you can do yourself in minutes (less if you have less healing spells). And you only need to make the note if you struggle to remember the feature. And making a note would be something you'd do on a paper sheet. I understand wanting the feature, I just don't understand going "broken" and complaining.
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The dice rolling is only a script which is running when you open the page up, you choose whether its active or not by going to your dice page. Would have to be done that way to run on your system, and not the server side, so not to overload the server with people thinking it would be funny to roll multitudes of dice. As to google/facebook tracking, honestly if you are so worried about those two tracking you, dont be using the internet or go use a VPN.
It comes down to people not wanting to use their brains to calculate when it rolls. You can add the +2 to the spell by customizing, its just the level doesnt get added which you have to add manually.
Well this bug got mentioned by name in the last devstream fyi
Yeah, it’s apparently on of their “Special Rules & Exceptions.”
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Sure, in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal. But we are asking for a feature that is part of the rules dndbeyond is supposed to mirror. It doesn't so we are asking for it, because we assumed it would work, given the high level of quality present in the rest of the product. We are (at least I am) paying customers too, which makes us feel like maybe we ought to voice our opinion in the forums provided for exactly such a purpose.
And we are getting feedback from the devs, which is nice.
So, hopefully I've explained what all of us are doing in this thread?
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It's sad having to explain this but OK.
My posts aren't about people going "I think this would be a good idea" or "this would be helpful, can you please add it" - my posts are directed to those saying "this is broken fix it now" , "it's been years why haven't you done anything" and so on.
Wanting a feature and asking for it is perfectly Okie Doke.
Demanding a fix for something not actually broken and insulting D&D Beyond over it, especially after they've said they'll consider it, is not OK by any standard.
This thread is filled - pages and pages - of complaints. Not requests. Complaints. For some very small thing they want added that they (very incorrectly) describe as broken. It confuses me.
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There are a lot of people here who pay DDB for the functionality it’s supposed to provide, including me. Part of that functionality is providing accurate character sheets. You seem to be implying that no one should complain because it’s “not actually broken” because they never implemented it in the first place (which is baffling on its own, but that’s another topic).
I get that maybe it’s a small thing to you and you don’t really care if your character sheets are accurate because, hey, you can just add a note that tells you what to do. If that’s the case, why use DDB at all for character sheets when you can just use pen and paper? For the rest of us, we expect things to work correctly, and drawing constant attention to an issue that has been outstanding for years at this point is all we can do to make sure DDB understands that it’s important to many of us. I’m not sure why you find this confusing.
Just to throw a wrench in your "but I'm a paying customer" logic: the character sheet is free so it's operation wasn't something you paid for and Life cleric is a free subclass so you never paid for that either. The feature is described accurately on the sheet in the correct place which is all the sheet is ever advertised to do.
Having one feature automatically go and change stuff from other places, like spells, isn't something they advertised. It's something you can do yourself. You just want them to make it automatic for your convenience. That's it. I understand why you want that specific convenience, I don't understand why you think it's broken or somehow expect them to prioritise this for you when there's other more important stuff. If this was some big thing, a massive inconvenience you had to do, I'd be with you. But... It's not. It's super tiny, barely an inconvenience at all.
It took me 2 mins to note all my healing spells for my 20th level life cleric. I've spent nearly 5 times that amount of time picking a name.
As I've said, I fully understand wanting the sheet to do it for you. I don't understand why many are being pissy about it. It's one thing to politely say you also want the feature, it's another to be a dick about it. My posts are to the latter, if you think that means you, then that's on you.
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