I have seen this topic brought up before. Why are so many so concerned about getting a 6th eition so soon. 5e I feel has a good amount of life left in it. I would love to see more content published for it. From wizards and other publishers. There is always that chance that 6th ends up being a turd like 4th in many players eyes. It could happen. Cant assume that they totally learned thier lesson when 4th bit them in the backside. With 5th, they really hit it out of the park. I would think that they would milk it for what its worth. I really hope so.
Between MtG Unlimited/Revised - Mirrodin; D&D 3.0 and 3.5 and now 5.0 they have gotten literally Thousands of dollars of my money. It would be nice if they took their hands back out of my wallet for at least a little while. I don’t mind a new book once/ year, but a whole new edition so soon..?!? “I say good day sir!”
Exactly how I feel. I haven't been involved in D&D enough to spend nearly a thousand dollars of Wizard's products, and I love the new books they're coming out with for 5e, but don't want a new edition too soon. If they milk 5e enough to make no more money off of it, then it is time for a new edition. (strangely the same applies to cinematic universes, star wars for an example)
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I've read before that statistically, MOST (not all) players and DMs tend to stick with the game/edition they form the most fond memories with. I can go ahead and say that unless a hypothetical 6e has major QOL improvements, I'll probably leave it alone and stick with 5e until I can't find people who want to play it anymore. Just like some of my friends refuse to play anything except 2e or 3.5 to this day. It makes sense too. Why spend all of this money on books and resources only to drop them as soon as the rules change? If you know the rules of the current edition and you can run games with no snags, why fix what isn't broken?
That's why something like a 5.5 makes the most sense. It's the best way to wring out every last penny from people like me. I could see maybe a 5.5 that adds a new layer of complexity and customization on top of the current rule set to appease people who are bored with 5e, but not leave people who know 5e and have invested heavily in it out in the cold. Make it so that 5e and 5.5 characters could play alongside each other without any adjustments. That seems like the best move IMO.
heh, I got in a the end of 2e. SPend a load of $$ and then had to buy 3.0. it didn't seem very long that it went to 3.5 and had to buy again (was part of the RPGA s had to keep current to play in those events). When 4e came out, I had had enough and sold all my books and walked away. Wished I had kept them now and continued to play. The group I was with went to Pathfinder, but i was damned if I was going to buy yet another book to learn another system. When 5e came out and they said it was more like the older editions I jumped back in. Now i try to collect those old books along with the new.
and I agree, a 5.5 to massage the rules before lifting to 6e seems the ideal path.
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Ordinarily I would not care whether they change editions faster than they change underwear or not... because as was said above, in principle, you can pick your favorite edition and stick with it.
However, in the era of electronic resources, the question becomes, will the older editions be supported after a newer official edition comes out? For example, right now, as far as I know, it is only possible to make a 5e anything (homebrew spell, character, etc) on the DDB website. What are the odds when 6e comes out, that the ******** will stay, and for how long? WOTC and DDB both have major financial incentives to mothball the 5e stuff in favor of 6e, because they will get more of our money. So I can easily see a scenario in which 6e comes out, and the DDB site, assuming it still exists roughly as is, announces that they are going to sunset 5e support. You’ll still presumably have access to all the old books you had purchased (though again, with e-resources, this is never a guarantee), but things like the character sheets and the encounter builders and whatnot, would not continue to support 5e. This is the most likely scenario and one reason why I am reluctant to just throw myself whole hog into any official electronic resources.
Even with something like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, theoretically WOTC could yank the 5e licenses — and probably would do so, if they felt 6e wasn’t selling well enough and needed some sugar. I suspect this kind of thing is less likely than DDB ditching 5e, since those sites have older editions available even now, but one never knows. It all depends on the financial situation for the company and on how much they think they can make by being evil dictators vs. kindly patrons. How much they will make always determines a company’s behavior and not any sort of ethical considerations.
This is why no matter what else I buy, I tend to always get hard copies. I still have the HC versions of 3.5 PHB and DMG. If I want to play that, on paper, no one can stop me. If I want to play it electronically... well... I sure as heck can’t do it here. And who knows how long I can do it at any other places either, since the availability always depends on licensing, and thus the whims of the parent organization (WOTC in this case).
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I'm not so worried about support for 5e being cut off until the user base is low enough to justify it. You are free to spend your money accordingly, but as a launch-user of DDB, I've never seen them have a "Well you're out of luck. Deal with it." attitude, and I don't think that will start with the launch of a new edition. As I said above, some users won't make the jump, and I doubt WOTC will want to cut off an active revenue stream to try and force users over to a new product. It makes sense to think that updates to 5e content will slow and stop, but as long as people are still playing, then people will still be buying, so WOTC would be dumb to stop selling.
There is no release date as they have not even hit 5.5 yet. My guess is some time in 2022 or 2023 they will start development of 6e and playtesting will happen in 2024 or 2025 with a 6e release date in late 2026 or early 2027. 5e is very popular right now and they will not even start looking at 6e till this current surge of popularity of 5e fades before looking at a new edition.
Ordinarily I would not care whether they change editions faster than they change underwear or not... because as was said above, in principle, you can pick your favorite edition and stick with it.
However, in the era of electronic resources, the question becomes, will the older editions be supported after a newer official edition comes out? For example, right now, as far as I know, it is only possible to make a 5e anything (homebrew spell, character, etc) on the DDB website. What are the odds when 6e comes out, that the ******** will stay, and for how long? WOTC and DDB both have major financial incentives to mothball the 5e stuff in favor of 6e, because they will get more of our money. So I can easily see a scenario in which 6e comes out, and the DDB site, assuming it still exists roughly as is, announces that they are going to sunset 5e support. You’ll still presumably have access to all the old books you had purchased (though again, with e-resources, this is never a guarantee), but things like the character sheets and the encounter builders and whatnot, would not continue to support 5e. This is the most likely scenario and one reason why I am reluctant to just throw myself whole hog into any official electronic resources.
I wouldn't worry about that, hell they are now selling Classic 2E thru roll20 and FG and D&D Beyond is run by Curse gaming. What I expect to happen is when they do make the next edition it will be published physical copies with digital edition ran in house by WoC and an introduction of their own VTT while leaving curse running digital 5e for them.
On the positive side, the current publisher of D&D has many more streams of income coming in and better management compared to when TSR owned the rights to the game. One of the reasons for all the new editions and .5 editions was because there was no digital content no streaming content to make money off of. I own all the books and adventures through FG, I own all the core books through D&D Beyond as well as physical copies of all the core rule books. I only owned multiple copies of the player's handbook for AD&D and 2e AD&D, so I expect to see longer life spans for new editions of the game unless they end up being as unpopular as 4e.
Mike Mearls as reportedly said he wants 6e to be backwards compatible so I don't think a new version per se is going to be an issue for DDB or 5e users (business arrangements would be another matter).
Mike Mearls as reportedly said he wants 6e to be backwards compatible so I don't think a new version per se is going to be an issue for DDB or 5e users (business arrangements would be another matter).
I thought that he had said something similar to that in an interview some time back. I myself do fear the corporate decision on the matter though.
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Why do you need the 6th edition to be released so soon ???
Just wait untill the Devs could squeeze the 100% of 5th edition's essence.....
I hope the 6th would be released in 2020...
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I have seen this topic brought up before. Why are so many so concerned about getting a 6th eition so soon. 5e I feel has a good amount of life left in it. I would love to see more content published for it. From wizards and other publishers. There is always that chance that 6th ends up being a turd like 4th in many players eyes. It could happen. Cant assume that they totally learned thier lesson when 4th bit them in the backside. With 5th, they really hit it out of the park. I would think that they would milk it for what its worth. I really hope so.
I hope you meant 2025 to 2030
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
I hope they mean 2030 too. This $|-|!+ is too expensive to keep replacing.
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Agreed, I've given more than 500 dollars to Wizards of the Coast already. I just finished getting all of the books, I don't need to start over again.
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Between MtG Unlimited/Revised - Mirrodin; D&D 3.0 and 3.5 and now 5.0 they have gotten literally Thousands of dollars of my money. It would be nice if they took their hands back out of my wallet for at least a little while. I don’t mind a new book once/ year, but a whole new edition so soon..?!?
“I say good day sir!”
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Exactly how I feel. I haven't been involved in D&D enough to spend nearly a thousand dollars of Wizard's products, and I love the new books they're coming out with for 5e, but don't want a new edition too soon. If they milk 5e enough to make no more money off of it, then it is time for a new edition. (strangely the same applies to cinematic universes, star wars for an example)
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I've read before that statistically, MOST (not all) players and DMs tend to stick with the game/edition they form the most fond memories with. I can go ahead and say that unless a hypothetical 6e has major QOL improvements, I'll probably leave it alone and stick with 5e until I can't find people who want to play it anymore. Just like some of my friends refuse to play anything except 2e or 3.5 to this day. It makes sense too. Why spend all of this money on books and resources only to drop them as soon as the rules change? If you know the rules of the current edition and you can run games with no snags, why fix what isn't broken?
That's why something like a 5.5 makes the most sense. It's the best way to wring out every last penny from people like me. I could see maybe a 5.5 that adds a new layer of complexity and customization on top of the current rule set to appease people who are bored with 5e, but not leave people who know 5e and have invested heavily in it out in the cold. Make it so that 5e and 5.5 characters could play alongside each other without any adjustments. That seems like the best move IMO.
heh, I got in a the end of 2e. SPend a load of $$ and then had to buy 3.0. it didn't seem very long that it went to 3.5 and had to buy again (was part of the RPGA s had to keep current to play in those events). When 4e came out, I had had enough and sold all my books and walked away. Wished I had kept them now and continued to play. The group I was with went to Pathfinder, but i was damned if I was going to buy yet another book to learn another system. When 5e came out and they said it was more like the older editions I jumped back in. Now i try to collect those old books along with the new.
and I agree, a 5.5 to massage the rules before lifting to 6e seems the ideal path.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Cee,
That was pretty much my experience, except I still have all my old books from 1e-3.5
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Ordinarily I would not care whether they change editions faster than they change underwear or not... because as was said above, in principle, you can pick your favorite edition and stick with it.
However, in the era of electronic resources, the question becomes, will the older editions be supported after a newer official edition comes out? For example, right now, as far as I know, it is only possible to make a 5e anything (homebrew spell, character, etc) on the DDB website. What are the odds when 6e comes out, that the ******** will stay, and for how long? WOTC and DDB both have major financial incentives to mothball the 5e stuff in favor of 6e, because they will get more of our money. So I can easily see a scenario in which 6e comes out, and the DDB site, assuming it still exists roughly as is, announces that they are going to sunset 5e support. You’ll still presumably have access to all the old books you had purchased (though again, with e-resources, this is never a guarantee), but things like the character sheets and the encounter builders and whatnot, would not continue to support 5e. This is the most likely scenario and one reason why I am reluctant to just throw myself whole hog into any official electronic resources.
Even with something like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, theoretically WOTC could yank the 5e licenses — and probably would do so, if they felt 6e wasn’t selling well enough and needed some sugar. I suspect this kind of thing is less likely than DDB ditching 5e, since those sites have older editions available even now, but one never knows. It all depends on the financial situation for the company and on how much they think they can make by being evil dictators vs. kindly patrons. How much they will make always determines a company’s behavior and not any sort of ethical considerations.
This is why no matter what else I buy, I tend to always get hard copies. I still have the HC versions of 3.5 PHB and DMG. If I want to play that, on paper, no one can stop me. If I want to play it electronically... well... I sure as heck can’t do it here. And who knows how long I can do it at any other places either, since the availability always depends on licensing, and thus the whims of the parent organization (WOTC in this case).
WOTC lies. We know that WOTC lies. WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. We know that WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. And still they lie.
Because of the above (a paraphrase from Orwell) I no longer post to the forums -- PM me if you need help or anything.
I'm not so worried about support for 5e being cut off until the user base is low enough to justify it. You are free to spend your money accordingly, but as a launch-user of DDB, I've never seen them have a "Well you're out of luck. Deal with it." attitude, and I don't think that will start with the launch of a new edition. As I said above, some users won't make the jump, and I doubt WOTC will want to cut off an active revenue stream to try and force users over to a new product. It makes sense to think that updates to 5e content will slow and stop, but as long as people are still playing, then people will still be buying, so WOTC would be dumb to stop selling.
I wish I still had mine. Slowly rebuilding
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
I have hoarder tendencies so I still have my old Spellfire cards somewhere. Lol
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I'd much rather see a 5.5e or just continued support and additions for 5e.
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I agree. Even if/when they do a 6th I would hope it to be backward compatible. My biggest fear is them going entirely digital.
There is no release date as they have not even hit 5.5 yet. My guess is some time in 2022 or 2023 they will start development of 6e and playtesting will happen in 2024 or 2025 with a 6e release date in late 2026 or early 2027. 5e is very popular right now and they will not even start looking at 6e till this current surge of popularity of 5e fades before looking at a new edition.
I wouldn't worry about that, hell they are now selling Classic 2E thru roll20 and FG and D&D Beyond is run by Curse gaming. What I expect to happen is when they do make the next edition it will be published physical copies with digital edition ran in house by WoC and an introduction of their own VTT while leaving curse running digital 5e for them.
On the positive side, the current publisher of D&D has many more streams of income coming in and better management compared to when TSR owned the rights to the game. One of the reasons for all the new editions and .5 editions was because there was no digital content no streaming content to make money off of. I own all the books and adventures through FG, I own all the core books through D&D Beyond as well as physical copies of all the core rule books. I only owned multiple copies of the player's handbook for AD&D and 2e AD&D, so I expect to see longer life spans for new editions of the game unless they end up being as unpopular as 4e.
Mike Mearls as reportedly said he wants 6e to be backwards compatible so I don't think a new version per se is going to be an issue for DDB or 5e users (business arrangements would be another matter).
I thought that he had said something similar to that in an interview some time back. I myself do fear the corporate decision on the matter though.