Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Hmm... That is a good point. I do not recall any archived UA that might point to the next setting, since I think TCOE gobbled up all the latest UA besides the dragon subclasses.
That said, I have only paid attention to UA that was featured on Beyond, so if there are other UA content on Wizards' site but not here, I would not be too familiar with it.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
I'm almost certain that it will be Dragonlance based for 2 reasons.
1. it is one of the most iconic campaign settings.
2. the lawsuit about it was finally ended.
I'm almost certain that DL is coming out fairly soon, but going from ending the lawsuit to ready for preorder in three weeks seems unlikely (it's not impossible, but would require the book to have been basically finished before the lawsuit was resolved, and normally you suspend work on products that are in legal action).
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
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They could surprise us all and do something that no one ever guessed, like they did last year with Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and the year before with Acq. Inc., but I'm not sure what this book would be in that case.
WotC announced revisiting three classic settings this year, and given the comparatively low release frequency of 5E I don’t see them adding a 4th non-classic setting to the roster.
They didn't announce that they were publishing 3 classic settings this year, they just said they were working on 3 classic settings. Other books are still on the table.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
That is interesting. I guess that means the dragon subclasses right now would be the tip of the iceberg for potentially the next XGTE or TCOE.
Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Curse of Strahd was released in March.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Curse of Strahd was released in March.
So I guess a Ravenloft sourcebook is fairly likely. I hope the Spirit Bard and Undead Warlock come out with it, along with some more Werebeast and Vampire stat blocks. They'll probably address the issues with Vistani, as well.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
No, they're not too new. The Feats UA from 2020 was released just over 4 months before Tasha's was published, and when this book is published, the Dragon Subclasses UA will be a bit over 4 moths old. Based on the status quo, it's not too early.
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As a person relatively new to D&D and with absolutely no connection to, reverence for, or even much understanding of "Dragonlance", and whose understanding of the things in question comes from basically this thread alone...
The idea of an anarchic kleptomaniacal species with "no concept of personal property" is an immediate red flag to my DM brain. That pretty much screams "terrible rogue memes" to me, and a player who comes to me all bright-eyed with a kender rogue, bard, or a kender anything with the Criminal background is getting a sit-down, a talking-to, and a very intense Fry Meming. That's the sort of thing that seems tailor-made to capital-letters Cause Problems at the table. I totally get people having a nostalgic enjoyment for the books and wanting a chance to play their nostalgia, but someone who says to me "My character comes from a species with no concept of personal property and no real understanding of law or government, and nothing you say will convince me to play anything else"?
The key thing to remember is that they have a variation of kleptomania. They don't 'steal' deliberately or because something is valuable. They absentmindedly pick up interesting things, colours and textures. A shiny hair clip or a funny purple feather willbe picked up while a boring gold coin will be ignored.
As a person relatively new to D&D and with absolutely no connection to, reverence for, or even much understanding of "Dragonlance", and whose understanding of the things in question comes from basically this thread alone...
The idea of an anarchic kleptomaniacal species with "no concept of personal property" is an immediate red flag to my DM brain. That pretty much screams "terrible rogue memes" to me, and a player who comes to me all bright-eyed with a kender rogue, bard, or a kender anything with the Criminal background is getting a sit-down, a talking-to, and a very intense Fry Meming. That's the sort of thing that seems tailor-made to capital-letters Cause Problems at the table. I totally get people having a nostalgic enjoyment for the books and wanting a chance to play their nostalgia, but someone who says to me "My character comes from a species with no concept of personal property and no real understanding of law or government, and nothing you say will convince me to play anything else"?
The key thing to remember is that they have a variation of kleptomania. They don't 'steal' deliberately or because something is valuable. They absentmindedly pick up interesting things, colours and textures. A shiny hair clip or a funny purple feather willbe picked up while a boring gold coin will be ignored.
Respectfully, that doesn't necessarily make it better. I'm not quite getting the firing squad lined up like Yurei or Vince, but a rational thief is usually - in my experience anyway - less likely to become a problem than a compulsive 'borrower'. If anything, players with the former tend to be be ready to accept the consequences if their character's illegal activities catch up to them; players with the latter often think their 'harmless tomfoolery' should be condoned because it's 'just roleplaying'. That's not a hard rule, of course, but nonetheless an observation borne from having encountered either type a lot. Probably entirely too often.
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Hey, I sentenced all Kender to death by whatever means necessary way the hell back in the mid 1990s. If this next book really is Dragonlance, then that book will right next to Tasha’s on the banned for all eternity pile as far as I’m concerned.
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Paring down the theatrics a bit, because apparently they fly over people's head.
As a not-Dragonlance fan, the idea of giving a player who doesn't know when to stop a PC species that's specifically designed around the trait "doesn't know when to stop" is a recipe for DM migraines. Players have had "amusing, innocently wholesome quirks" for ages now, and the difference between a beloved traveling companion who brings light and levity to their fellows with their endearing quirkiness and "Voted Most Likely to be Pulled from the Purple Worm's Gullet One Turn Too Late in the Class Yearbook" is knowing when to turn the amusing-wholesome-quirk the hell off and play seriously when the game calls for it.
If I know the player well and can trust them to know where that line is and respect it? All right. I don't care for this particular quirk much, but I'd trust them to try it in a way that might change my opinion. A player I don't know well would be told not to push me and kept an eye on - if they proved themself responsible with it, they'd get to keep it. A player I already know has trouble knowing where the line is and turning their quirkiness off? They get no kender.
Dragonlance is a 30+ year old property by now. A lot of the people who'd buy a Dragonlance book these days would be doing it simply because it's the new D&D book, not because they know any-dang-thing about Dragonlance. Much like the Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, the book would need to be able to stand on its own in the modern day of tabletop gaming and be useful to people who've never read a Dragonlance book in their lives, and it would have to start by not disrespecting the DM running a game out of it by giving that DM's players carte blanche to be party-screwing dickheads.
ANYWAYS.
I wouldn't mind a Ravenloft book, but by the same token as the Dragonlance book, I wasn't around for the first Ravenloft and have no attachment to the name. I've got the Grim Hollow book, and that one does basically everything I need a Spoopy Grimdark Fantasy Book to do, with the added bonus of it not being dependent on the bloated corpse of a world setting that is Faerun. It may not be loaded in DDB (which is a shame), but that's why God invented PDFs and the hardcopy edition sitting all decorative-like on my shelf. Between Grim Hollow and Curse of Strahd, the need is mostly covered.
Spelljammer, on the other hand, would be a lovely toy. I love me some space opera, and magic starships flying between exotic worlds sounds like a pretty fantastic set-up for certain kinds of campaign you can't really do with existing tools. Wanna play Mass Effect: Andromeda except have it be not terrible? Spelljammer! Wanna get a taste of every campaign setting out there without having to commit to one until you know which ones you like? Spelljammer! Wanna use ridiculous safari-suit space hippos for target practice? Spelljammer! I don't think we're actually going to get Spelljammer, mind - we got Eberron, and that's likely as close as Wizards is going to get to coloring outside the lines for 5e given how much they got their hands bitten on 4e - but it'd be a lovely toy regardless.
Provided they execute it well, anyways. Which is in no way a sure thing when you're talking Wizards of the Coast.
Hey, I sentenced all Kender to death by whatever means necessary way the hell back in the mid 1990s. If this next book really is Dragonlance, then that book will right next to Tasha’s on the banned for all eternity pile as far as I’m concerned.
**** Kender. *spits on ground*
and while you are distracted Tasselhoff Burfoot has wandered off with your coin pouch...which you seemed ot have dropped whilst spitting on the ground......
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Well if you look at current UA there are two very Ravenlofty character options and two very Dragon(lance)y character options being playtested.
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Where do I go to see that? Where is the playtest stuff?
Hey, I sentenced all Kender to death by whatever means necessary way the hell back in the mid 1990s. If this next book really is Dragonlance, then that book will right next to Tasha’s on the banned for all eternity pile as far as I’m concerned.
**** Kender. *spits on ground*
and while you are distracted Tasselhoff Burfoot has wandered off with your coin pouch...which you seemed ot have dropped whilst spitting on the ground......
How? I already led a racial genocide against all Kender. It’ll be tough for them to do any of that from the bottom of a mass grave.
Well if you look at current UA there are two very Ravenlofty character options and two very Dragon(lance)y character options being playtested.
Also quick PSA, if you have a local gaming store and plan to get a physical book, please consider ordering from there rather than B&N or Amazon. Shops like that are wonderful places that spread the game and provide places for people to play, and the pandemic has hit them hard like so many other businesses.
Where do I go to see that? Where is the playtest stuff?
However, if you go to the Character Builder here on DDB and look on the “home” tab, you can toggle on “Playtest Content” and make characters with that content right now.
Hmm... That is a good point. I do not recall any archived UA that might point to the next setting, since I think TCOE gobbled up all the latest UA besides the dragon subclasses.
That said, I have only paid attention to UA that was featured on Beyond, so if there are other UA content on Wizards' site but not here, I would not be too familiar with it.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
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I'm almost certain that DL is coming out fairly soon, but going from ending the lawsuit to ready for preorder in three weeks seems unlikely (it's not impossible, but would require the book to have been basically finished before the lawsuit was resolved, and normally you suspend work on products that are in legal action).
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
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They didn't announce that they were publishing 3 classic settings this year, they just said they were working on 3 classic settings. Other books are still on the table.
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Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
That is interesting. I guess that means the dragon subclasses right now would be the tip of the iceberg for potentially the next XGTE or TCOE.
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Curse of Strahd was released in March.
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So I guess a Ravenloft sourcebook is fairly likely. I hope the Spirit Bard and Undead Warlock come out with it, along with some more Werebeast and Vampire stat blocks. They'll probably address the issues with Vistani, as well.
No, they're not too new. The Feats UA from 2020 was released just over 4 months before Tasha's was published, and when this book is published, the Dragon Subclasses UA will be a bit over 4 moths old. Based on the status quo, it's not too early.
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The key thing to remember is that they have a variation of kleptomania. They don't 'steal' deliberately or because something is valuable. They absentmindedly pick up interesting things, colours and textures. A shiny hair clip or a funny purple feather willbe picked up while a boring gold coin will be ignored.
Respectfully, that doesn't necessarily make it better. I'm not quite getting the firing squad lined up like Yurei or Vince, but a rational thief is usually - in my experience anyway - less likely to become a problem than a compulsive 'borrower'. If anything, players with the former tend to be be ready to accept the consequences if their character's illegal activities catch up to them; players with the latter often think their 'harmless tomfoolery' should be condoned because it's 'just roleplaying'. That's not a hard rule, of course, but nonetheless an observation borne from having encountered either type a lot. Probably entirely too often.
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Hey, I sentenced all Kender to death by whatever means necessary way the hell back in the mid 1990s. If this next book really is Dragonlance, then that book will right next to Tasha’s on the banned for all eternity pile as far as I’m concerned.
**** Kender. *spits on ground*
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
Paring down the theatrics a bit, because apparently they fly over people's head.
As a not-Dragonlance fan, the idea of giving a player who doesn't know when to stop a PC species that's specifically designed around the trait "doesn't know when to stop" is a recipe for DM migraines. Players have had "amusing, innocently wholesome quirks" for ages now, and the difference between a beloved traveling companion who brings light and levity to their fellows with their endearing quirkiness and "Voted Most Likely to be Pulled from the Purple Worm's Gullet One Turn Too Late in the Class Yearbook" is knowing when to turn the amusing-wholesome-quirk the hell off and play seriously when the game calls for it.
If I know the player well and can trust them to know where that line is and respect it? All right. I don't care for this particular quirk much, but I'd trust them to try it in a way that might change my opinion. A player I don't know well would be told not to push me and kept an eye on - if they proved themself responsible with it, they'd get to keep it. A player I already know has trouble knowing where the line is and turning their quirkiness off? They get no kender.
Dragonlance is a 30+ year old property by now. A lot of the people who'd buy a Dragonlance book these days would be doing it simply because it's the new D&D book, not because they know any-dang-thing about Dragonlance. Much like the Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, the book would need to be able to stand on its own in the modern day of tabletop gaming and be useful to people who've never read a Dragonlance book in their lives, and it would have to start by not disrespecting the DM running a game out of it by giving that DM's players carte blanche to be party-screwing dickheads.
ANYWAYS.
I wouldn't mind a Ravenloft book, but by the same token as the Dragonlance book, I wasn't around for the first Ravenloft and have no attachment to the name. I've got the Grim Hollow book, and that one does basically everything I need a Spoopy Grimdark Fantasy Book to do, with the added bonus of it not being dependent on the bloated corpse of a world setting that is Faerun. It may not be loaded in DDB (which is a shame), but that's why God invented PDFs and the hardcopy edition sitting all decorative-like on my shelf. Between Grim Hollow and Curse of Strahd, the need is mostly covered.
Spelljammer, on the other hand, would be a lovely toy. I love me some space opera, and magic starships flying between exotic worlds sounds like a pretty fantastic set-up for certain kinds of campaign you can't really do with existing tools. Wanna play Mass Effect: Andromeda except have it be not terrible? Spelljammer! Wanna get a taste of every campaign setting out there without having to commit to one until you know which ones you like? Spelljammer! Wanna use ridiculous safari-suit space hippos for target practice? Spelljammer! I don't think we're actually going to get Spelljammer, mind - we got Eberron, and that's likely as close as Wizards is going to get to coloring outside the lines for 5e given how much they got their hands bitten on 4e - but it'd be a lovely toy regardless.
Provided they execute it well, anyways. Which is in no way a sure thing when you're talking Wizards of the Coast.
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and while you are distracted Tasselhoff Burfoot has wandered off with your coin pouch...which you seemed ot have dropped whilst spitting on the ground......
Where do I go to see that? Where is the playtest stuff?
It's too soon for another Tasha's/Xanthar type book.
I'm guessing that it's a new adventure.
How? I already led a racial genocide against all Kender. It’ll be tough for them to do any of that from the bottom of a mass grave.
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