I mean...not all DW are dex. I stand by what I said.
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I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
What kind of masteries could you do with a shield? We already have Shield Master to provide mastery with a shield. There's not really anything else you can do with a shield. There's not really much in the way of different shields either. IRL you had regular infantry shields, cavalry shields, and that's about it. Bucklers were just for sport-fighting they weren't used in combat, all other differences in shields were just stylistic really. There's no fundamental difference between a large round shield, a large kite shield, or a large rectangular shield.
That’s true for the most part at least involving shields anyway and after some research and Baldur’s Gate, I’ve come to discover that many of the magic shields allow for much cooler things. So, maybe shield masteries isn’t what I was aiming for. Perhaps, more weapons and masteries themselves is betting wording. I would like to see some weapons that give defensive capabilities like shields such as sais or sword catchers that could possibly give a minor ac bump without said use of a shield. But a long range grapple or entangle with something such as the whip or morning star even a chain leaves a lot open for cool things to do and a larger variety of weapons but I would have to agree with whoever posted that the Nick mastery should be used for the dual scimitar as that would be pretty nice and save a feat, which is kinda what I believe the masteries all do.
I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
What kind of masteries could you do with a shield? We already have Shield Master to provide mastery with a shield. There's not really anything else you can do with a shield. There's not really much in the way of different shields either. IRL you had regular infantry shields, cavalry shields, and that's about it. Bucklers were just for sport-fighting they weren't used in combat, all other differences in shields were just stylistic really. There's no fundamental difference between a large round shield, a large kite shield, or a large rectangular shield.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
A shield charge ability.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
That is the Protection or Inteception Fighting Style.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Please explain how one deals damage with a shield that still functions as a shield.
A shield charge ability.
That is the Charger Feat if you want use movement to deal damage, if you want to charge to knock someone over that's covered by Shield Master.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
Sword & Board can weapon-juggle to have two weapon masteries just as easily as two-weapon wielders, in fact they can juggle to get even more diversity of weapon masteries than two-weapon wielders have because two-weapon fighting is limited to Light weapons. Shield Master effectively adds 2 more weapon masteries enabling a sword & board character to access Topple / Push as a Bonus Action, then having 2 attacks with their main action to use any of Push, Sap, Slow, Topple, Vex with each of those attacks, and having a +2 bonus to their AC. In contrast a two-weapon user can only access: Slow, Vex, or Nick. They have no way to knock prone nor push enemies around.
I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
What kind of masteries could you do with a shield? We already have Shield Master to provide mastery with a shield. There's not really anything else you can do with a shield. There's not really much in the way of different shields either. IRL you had regular infantry shields, cavalry shields, and that's about it. Bucklers were just for sport-fighting they weren't used in combat, all other differences in shields were just stylistic really. There's no fundamental difference between a large round shield, a large kite shield, or a large rectangular shield.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
A shield charge ability.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
I like that idea a lot and it makes sense that sword and board feels left out compared to other things. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. I love that archetype but mechanically it’s not as good as other combinations
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
That is the Protection or Inteception Fighting Style.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Please explain how one deals damage with a shield that still functions as a shield.
A shield charge ability.
That is the Charger Feat if you want use movement to deal damage, if you want to charge to knock someone over that's covered by Shield Master.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
Sword & Board can weapon-juggle to have two weapon masteries just as easily as two-weapon wielders, in fact they can juggle to get even more diversity of weapon masteries than two-weapon wielders have because two-weapon fighting is limited to Light weapons. Shield Master effectively adds 2 more weapon masteries enabling a sword & board character to access Topple / Push as a Bonus Action, then having 2 attacks with their main action to use any of Push, Sap, Slow, Topple, Vex with each of those attacks, and having a +2 bonus to their AC. In contrast a two-weapon user can only access: Slow, Vex, or Nick. They have no way to knock prone nor push enemies around.
I think the point is here that other masteries don’t require feats to be good but sword and board does. Each of the masteries feel like a mini feat of some sort and normally work very similarly to one feat or another. Such as push is basically the crusher feat. It would just be cool to have something for so popular an arch type without a feat or fighting style. I for one think the the protection fighting style could be cool as a mastery since you mostly need a shield to do it anyway. Then you could free up a fighting style to take something else and make it really cool. There’s just so many options and there could be more.
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
That is the Protection or Inteception Fighting Style.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Please explain how one deals damage with a shield that still functions as a shield.
A shield charge ability.
That is the Charger Feat if you want use movement to deal damage, if you want to charge to knock someone over that's covered by Shield Master.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
Sword & Board can weapon-juggle to have two weapon masteries just as easily as two-weapon wielders, in fact they can juggle to get even more diversity of weapon masteries than two-weapon wielders have because two-weapon fighting is limited to Light weapons. Shield Master effectively adds 2 more weapon masteries enabling a sword & board character to access Topple / Push as a Bonus Action, then having 2 attacks with their main action to use any of Push, Sap, Slow, Topple, Vex with each of those attacks, and having a +2 bonus to their AC. In contrast a two-weapon user can only access: Slow, Vex, or Nick. They have no way to knock prone nor push enemies around.
I think the point is here that other masteries don’t require feats to be good but sword and board does. Each of the masteries feel like a mini feat of some sort and normally work very similarly to one feat or another. Such as push is basically the crusher feat. It would just be cool to have something for so popular an arch type without a feat or fighting style. I for one think the the protection fighting style could be cool as a mastery since you mostly need a shield to do it anyway. Then you could free up a fighting style to take something else and make it really cool. There’s just so many options and there could be more.
yup and slasher is just slow. A feat or some other ability being similar is not an argument that a weapon mastery should not exist. I mean look how nick works, it enhances the style so you can get 4 attacks at level 5. So why not the same with a shield and feats/fighting style that work with it, the mastery would play off of those do something on its own but also if you have the feat it would make it better.
So double-blade scimitar wasn't added in "Eberron: Forge of the Artificer". Or have I missed it? It would be nice with a mastery for it.
There are quite a bit of ideas of what would be fitting for the weapon, so something official would be nice. Not that you have to agree with it.
Thinking about it, I may house rule it to remove its special rule and change it to Finesse with the Cleave weapon mastery. It loses the option for a Bonus Action attack but gains finesse and a free extra attack (not on the same target though) if you have Weapon Mastery. I am not sure if it is weaker, but it plugs into the 2024 system more cleanly IMO than the original does.
I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
While I would love to see the same, I would not hold your breath. 5e did not have any sort of arms & armor splatbook over 10 years of content, and 2024 is pretty much doubling down on the same design priorities. To this end, I am not surprised they did not include DBS with Eberron this time around. They want a weapon/armor table that a newbie can look at without being overwhelmed. The most we can hope for is DDB support of a third party product that provides these options, aside from a handful of magic items that could provide some unique features.
I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
While I would love to see the same, I would not hold your breath. 5e did not have any sort of arms & armor splatbook over 10 years of content. The design priorities of this edition require a weapon/armor table that a newbie can look at without being overwhelmed. The most we can hope for is DDB support of a third party product that provides these options.
This is true and also Weapon Masteries are for Weapons. Shields are improvised weapons at best. Even the Shield Bash from the Shield Master feat does not make it a weapon. There are specific magic items that are exceptions, for example, the Boomerang Shield, the Shield of the Cavalier, and Spiked Shield. Maybe, we will see a special magic shield that can be used as a weapon and has a weapon mastery property, but that is highly unlikely. It is the only way I would expect to see official support for Weapon Masteries on Shields. But, like you said, I would not hold your breath.
It’s a double weapon with the Nick property. It would probably be less niche with Vex/Nick, which was the original thought, (combo attack, basically a Rapier/Scimitar combo weapon, mechanically) but being used by a Vengeance Paladin so the Channel Divinity covers Vex.
It’s a double weapon with the Nick property. It would probably be less niche with Vex/Nick, which was the original thought, (combo attack, basically a Rapier/Scimitar combo weapon, mechanically) but being used by a Vengeance Paladin so the Channel Divinity covers Vex.
Okay, but it's never been a double weapon with the Nick property so saying that you "still" treat it as dual scimitars was odd. That's basically how it was treated in 3rd Edition, though, so it makes sense.
I mean...not all DW are dex. I stand by what I said.
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The double-bladed scimitar and two scimitars are poor choices for STR dual wielders and in no way overpowered.
So double-blade scimitar wasn't added in "Eberron: Forge of the Artificer". Or have I missed it? It would be nice with a mastery for it.
There are quite a bit of ideas of what would be fitting for the weapon, so something official would be nice. Not that you have to agree with it.
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I don’t know about the dual blade but I for one would like to see more weapon masteries and weapons in general. Still waiting for different shields with masteries
What kind of masteries could you do with a shield? We already have Shield Master to provide mastery with a shield. There's not really anything else you can do with a shield. There's not really much in the way of different shields either. IRL you had regular infantry shields, cavalry shields, and that's about it. Bucklers were just for sport-fighting they weren't used in combat, all other differences in shields were just stylistic really. There's no fundamental difference between a large round shield, a large kite shield, or a large rectangular shield.
That’s true for the most part at least involving shields anyway and after some research and Baldur’s Gate, I’ve come to discover that many of the magic shields allow for much cooler things. So, maybe shield masteries isn’t what I was aiming for. Perhaps, more weapons and masteries themselves is betting wording. I would like to see some weapons that give defensive capabilities like shields such as sais or sword catchers that could possibly give a minor ac bump without said use of a shield. But a long range grapple or entangle with something such as the whip or morning star even a chain leaves a lot open for cool things to do and a larger variety of weapons but I would have to agree with whoever posted that the Nick mastery should be used for the dual scimitar as that would be pretty nice and save a feat, which is kinda what I believe the masteries all do.
A bonus action attack with it that does 1d4 damage.
Maybe it lets you provide the shield Ac bonus to adjacent allies.
A shield charge ability.
Two weapon wielders get 2 weapon masteries, give sword and board the same option.
That is the Protection or Inteception Fighting Style.
Please explain how one deals damage with a shield that still functions as a shield.
That is the Charger Feat if you want use movement to deal damage, if you want to charge to knock someone over that's covered by Shield Master.
Sword & Board can weapon-juggle to have two weapon masteries just as easily as two-weapon wielders, in fact they can juggle to get even more diversity of weapon masteries than two-weapon wielders have because two-weapon fighting is limited to Light weapons. Shield Master effectively adds 2 more weapon masteries enabling a sword & board character to access Topple / Push as a Bonus Action, then having 2 attacks with their main action to use any of Push, Sap, Slow, Topple, Vex with each of those attacks, and having a +2 bonus to their AC. In contrast a two-weapon user can only access: Slow, Vex, or Nick. They have no way to knock prone nor push enemies around.
I like that idea a lot and it makes sense that sword and board feels left out compared to other things. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. I love that archetype but mechanically it’s not as good as other combinations
I think the point is here that other masteries don’t require feats to be good but sword and board does. Each of the masteries feel like a mini feat of some sort and normally work very similarly to one feat or another. Such as push is basically the crusher feat. It would just be cool to have something for so popular an arch type without a feat or fighting style. I for one think the the protection fighting style could be cool as a mastery since you mostly need a shield to do it anyway. Then you could free up a fighting style to take something else and make it really cool. There’s just so many options and there could be more.
yup and slasher is just slow. A feat or some other ability being similar is not an argument that a weapon mastery should not exist. I mean look how nick works, it enhances the style so you can get 4 attacks at level 5. So why not the same with a shield and feats/fighting style that work with it, the mastery would play off of those do something on its own but also if you have the feat it would make it better.
Thinking about it, I may house rule it to remove its special rule and change it to Finesse with the Cleave weapon mastery. It loses the option for a Bonus Action attack but gains finesse and a free extra attack (not on the same target though) if you have Weapon Mastery. I am not sure if it is weaker, but it plugs into the 2024 system more cleanly IMO than the original does.
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While I would love to see the same, I would not hold your breath. 5e did not have any sort of arms & armor splatbook over 10 years of content, and 2024 is pretty much doubling down on the same design priorities. To this end, I am not surprised they did not include DBS with Eberron this time around. They want a weapon/armor table that a newbie can look at without being overwhelmed. The most we can hope for is DDB support of a third party product that provides these options, aside from a handful of magic items that could provide some unique features.
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This is true and also Weapon Masteries are for Weapons. Shields are improvised weapons at best. Even the Shield Bash from the Shield Master feat does not make it a weapon. There are specific magic items that are exceptions, for example, the Boomerang Shield, the Shield of the Cavalier, and Spiked Shield. Maybe, we will see a special magic shield that can be used as a weapon and has a weapon mastery property, but that is highly unlikely. It is the only way I would expect to see official support for Weapon Masteries on Shields. But, like you said, I would not hold your breath.
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We’re still treating it as dual scimitars. It’s pretty niche still, but it works.
Do you mean that you house ruled the official weapon to be two scimitars and are using that?
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It’s a double weapon with the Nick property. It would probably be less niche with Vex/Nick, which was the original thought, (combo attack, basically a Rapier/Scimitar combo weapon, mechanically) but being used by a Vengeance Paladin so the Channel Divinity covers Vex.
Okay, but it's never been a double weapon with the Nick property so saying that you "still" treat it as dual scimitars was odd. That's basically how it was treated in 3rd Edition, though, so it makes sense.
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