Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Take a guess at who my favorite is (XD)
The elf who doesn't have any LEGOs?
How'd you guess?
Also, what is the program you used to make the map for the dungeon in your bio?
Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Take a guess at who my favorite is (XD)
The elf who doesn't have any LEGOs?
How'd you guess?
Also, what is the program you used to make the map for the dungeon in your bio?
Could the Witch-king even be killed if Merry and Eowyn died? Because only a woman (or non-human) could kill him, and Middle-earth is rather short on despairing fighter women...
And brave hobbits
I think Legolas could have fought him, it would have been no problem for him to dodge that spiky ball chain thing while the witch king wore himself down, then he could have diced him up with his knives.
Gimli? Naaah...
Pippin? Nope.
EDIT: Or Legolas could have just shot him from a distance, he did shoot down a nazgul in the book.
Not a chance. The easy response, one, is “having Epic Legolas (TM) kill the Witch King is such a massive betrayal of Middle Earth’s themes that it couldn’t happen.”
The less easy responses: two, Glorfindel couldn’t/didn’t kill him, he’s also an elf, not a Man, and he’s a better fighter than Legolas.
Three, even Gandalf is a bit shaken by the Witch King…now look how Legolas reacts with terror to the Balrog, “Ai! Ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!” I don’t think Legolas would dare to face him.
Four, Gimli is a better hand-to-hand fighter than Legolas: Legolas starts winning their contest at Helm’s Deep, but Gimli catches up FAST and even wins when Legolas runs out of arrows and uses his knife. He only lacks the elf-blade to kill the King…and Legolas’ blade is post-Gondolin, so it wouldn’t be as effective as Merry’s either.
Five, the Witch King was likely a better fighter even than Gimli, by far. He wasn’t killed through strength or skill, but because he failed to notice a little hobbit and underestimated a woman. Death by pride and ignoring the small things is a common theme in Tolkien: it parallels how Sauron, who couldn’t be defeated by any army, fell due to his own pride in thinking the enemies would never try to destroy the Ring, let alone via hobbit. Might, however much Legolas has, is not enough to beat the Lord of the Nazgul.
And sixth and finally, Glorfindel when he made the prophecy foresaw the Witch-King’s doom. This means that, outside of space and time, the free choices of Merry and Eowyn were already in a sense recorded. Without them, we have no reason to believe the prophecy would have been made at all. Glorfindel wasn’t giving the Witch-King a magical resistance, decreeing a doom unchangable, or making it so that a mortal man couldn’t kill him: nothing, technically, stopped one from doing so. They could: Glorfindel just knew they wouldn’t.
So for at least those six reasons, no, Legolas could not have killed the Witch King.
I was talking about the movie Legolas. In the book, no way he could have killed him. Movie? He could probably kill anything anyone put in front of him.
True, movie Legolas could probably 1v1 Morgoth and walk away with the win. You either love him or hate him. Personally…I don’t love him.
(But tbh I think he’d probably lose even in the movie)
Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of Aragorn. Legolas doesn't even have that big of a role in the book. Pretty much all he does is shoot arrows and identify the Balrog first.
My favorite would probably be Gandalf (for obvious reasons), followed by Gimli and most of the hobbits.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Take a guess at who my favorite is (XD)
The elf who doesn't have any LEGOs?
How'd you guess?
Also, what is the program you used to make the map for the dungeon in your bio?
Here’s a really hard one. Two craftsmen, an elf and a dwarf, constructed the Doors of Moria. Who were they? And for bonus points, what does the star inscribed on them represent?
Here’s a really hard one. Two craftsmen, an elf and a dwarf, constructed the Doors of Moria. Who were they? And for bonus points, what does the star inscribed on them represent?
Easy. Celebrimbor and Narvi. I Think for the bonus it's durin's crown? That might be wrong.
Here’s a really hard one. Two craftsmen, an elf and a dwarf, constructed the Doors of Moria. Who were they? And for bonus points, what does the star inscribed on them represent?
Easy. Celebrimbor and Narvi. I Think for the bonus it's durin's crown? That might be wrong.
Nice work, I’m impressed! Durin’s crown is indeed one of the sigils on the door, along with the trees of Hollin. But the Star represents the House of Feanor.
Here’s a really hard one. Two craftsmen, an elf and a dwarf, constructed the Doors of Moria. Who were they? And for bonus points, what does the star inscribed on them represent?
Easy. Celebrimbor and Narvi. I Think for the bonus it's durin's crown? That might be wrong.
Nice work, I’m impressed! Durin’s crown is indeed one of the sigils on the door, along with the trees of Hollin. But the Star represents the House of Feanor.
I like all of the Fellowship but Boromir is probably my favorite.
Wizard (Gandalf) of the Tolkien Club
Well, same, but between Legolas and Aragorn, Aragorn wins by a landslide.
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How'd you guess?
Also, what is the program you used to make the map for the dungeon in your bio?
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Maaaaagic!
This.
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What exact wording does Frodo use to curse gollum in mordor?
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No idea
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Frodo curses Gollum? Just tell me the scene and I'll remember.
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Sam and Frodo are about to reach Mt. Doom and then Gollum attacks Frodo, he manages to get him off and speaks a curse to him. What is it?
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Either "You swore on the Precious" or "Smeagol promised".
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Sorry Legolas, but you're wrong! Correct answer:
Begone and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom!
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Aaargh I thought you were talking about the movie, not book.
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Oh, sry. Shoulda made that clear. Got one for me?
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Here’s a really hard one. Two craftsmen, an elf and a dwarf, constructed the Doors of Moria. Who were they? And for bonus points, what does the star inscribed on them represent?
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Easy. Celebrimbor and Narvi. I Think for the bonus it's durin's crown? That might be wrong.
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Nice work, I’m impressed! Durin’s crown is indeed one of the sigils on the door, along with the trees of Hollin. But the Star represents the House of Feanor.
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Thanks! The bonus was tricky!
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What was the name of the green elf leader who died during the first battle of beleriand?
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