Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
I can definetily see it. A lot of it seems in that sort of vain
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Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
I’d describe it as just another Hollywood fantasy tv show. If you like the average shitty boring Hollywood crap, you’ll like it. If you have a bit of taste and a concept of what good writing, good characters, good dialogue, and general competent production all around looks like, you’ll think it’s shit.
Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
Yep. So said that haters are coming out of the wood works to dive bomb this thing
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Uh no offence to anyone who likes it. I watch Marvel movies, sometimes it’s fun just to turn off your brain and watch the pretty explosions.
A lot of people think so to. Rotten Tomatoes has like 80% for critics
Yes, the same critics who have been raving online about this thing and yet never given a single concrete fact of why it's good. They just say it's magnificent, amazing, outstanding, a visual triumph. They've got no comebacks for the categorically bad dialogue, pacing, structure, and character issues. These aren't opinions, they are facts.
No don't start a debate about this, I'm listing all the stuff here it'll take me hours.
Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
Yep. So said that haters are coming out of the wood works to dive bomb this thing
Well, if you actually read the reviews, you'll see they're all either two things: Either categorically going through exactly how all the lore is being butchered, or just a short sweet "It's boring and shit and wrecks the lore". So, there's quite a few people who aren't just mindless haters, though I have no clue why they're wasting their time explaining why RoP sucks. I'd just say "It's shit but it could get better" since I don't want to waste my time on a proper review as currently the show isn't worth that much attention. It's just meh at best, nothing more to say about it.
Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
Yep. So said that haters are coming out of the wood works to dive bomb this thing
Well, if you actually read the reviews, you'll see they're all either two things: Either categorically going through exactly how all the lore is being butchered, or just a short sweet "It's boring and shit and wrecks the lore". So, there's quite a few people who aren't just mindless haters, though I have no clue why they're wasting their time explaining why RoP sucks. I'd just say "It's shit but it could get better" since I don't want to waste my time on a proper review as currently the show isn't worth that much attention. It's just meh at best, nothing more to say about it.
Just because a show butchers the lore, doesn't make it bad
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Also, either way the show looks to not be a flop... so... yeah
Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
Yep. So said that haters are coming out of the wood works to dive bomb this thing
Well, if you actually read the reviews, you'll see they're all either two things: Either categorically going through exactly how all the lore is being butchered, or just a short sweet "It's boring and shit and wrecks the lore". So, there's quite a few people who aren't just mindless haters, though I have no clue why they're wasting their time explaining why RoP sucks. I'd just say "It's shit but it could get better" since I don't want to waste my time on a proper review as currently the show isn't worth that much attention. It's just meh at best, nothing more to say about it.
Just because a show butchers the lore, doesn't make it bad
At this point, I do not think the show's long-term potential can be judged. As anyone with an understanding of fiction knows, the hardest part of writing is the introduction--you have to introduce the viewer to the world, the characters, the backstory, etc. This is particularly difficult with established intellectual property, where you run the risk of boring folks who already know the situation or losing folks who know nothing about the franchise.
Thus far, the showrunners have leaned heavily on exposition and assuming the viewer already recognizes "Galadriel/Elrond = folks the viewer should care about" and "Sauron = bad guy", without doing much to establish them as characters the viewer should care about in a vacuum, independent of knowledge outside of the show. They have relied heavily on Galadriel and Elrond and the trust the viewer has in them to introduce the world (ex. telling us "this is the High King, care about him also!" without really introducing Gil-Galad as anything outside exposition). The desire to introduce the world also has led to a lack of actual conflict thus far--we know there is supposed to be some conflict out there because we know Sauron = bad guy from outside knowledge, but the majority of the urgency and drive we are supposed to feel comes from Galadriel telling us there is urgency in exposition--failing the "show don't tell" rule of good script writing.
Still, these are novice showrunners working with the most difficult canon--and one of the worst fandoms--literature has to offer. That they are struggling in the most difficult stage of writing does not necessarily mean they are always going to struggle.
And there is potential moving forward. They nailed the dwarves (though dwarves are some of the easiest fantasy races to nail). There is potential in Arondir and Bronwyn's story--it is the only story where we actually have something compelling happening other than pure exposition. Elrond stated to become more interesting of a character when he was actually moving the story forward and showing some agency, rather than being a mouthpiece for exposition told to explain to Galadriel (but really the viewer) everything that was going on.
As for the "destroying the lore" position, I am not overly concerned about that--assuming the writing improves. A true fan of Tolkien would know that you could never "destroy the lore" because the lore itself is protean and, by Tolkien's own desire, subject to be changed. Tolkien always wanted LotR to be a shared mythology that other folks would take up after his death--and, like any mythology, subject to different interpretations and different retellings that are not always congruent (see Homer having Zeus be the oldest of the Olympians, even though every other source has him as the youngest, and him being the oldest makes little sense).
All told, I was not super impressed with the exposition dump of episode one and two, but I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and see how well they do once they have actually established their world and start moving on to developing it.
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Idea: the reason Amazon is contradicting the lore is because they can’t follow the silmarillion lore or get in legal trouble
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Which makes it 100% better than I originally guessed way back when but roughly how I'm thinking it will be right now. Might be a good fantasy D&D series.
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I can definetily see it. A lot of it seems in that sort of vain
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Quite funny really.
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I just dislike the title
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Its awful
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redundent
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Does it matter? Redundancy is safest.
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Guys it has a 37% audience satisfaction score on Rotten Tomatoes and there was so much backlash on Amazon Prime they turned off the entire-ass review function. Not what you’d call a success.
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Agreed. But I couldn’t expect anything better from the writers after seeing the show.
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I’d describe it as just another Hollywood fantasy tv show. If you like the average shitty boring Hollywood crap, you’ll like it. If you have a bit of taste and a concept of what good writing, good characters, good dialogue, and general competent production all around looks like, you’ll think it’s shit.
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Uh no offence to anyone who likes it. I watch Marvel movies, sometimes it’s fun just to turn off your brain and watch the pretty explosions.
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A lot of people think so to. Rotten Tomatoes has like 80% for critics
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Yep. So said that haters are coming out of the wood works to dive bomb this thing
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Yes, the same critics who have been raving online about this thing and yet never given a single concrete fact of why it's good. They just say it's magnificent, amazing, outstanding, a visual triumph. They've got no comebacks for the categorically bad dialogue, pacing, structure, and character issues. These aren't opinions, they are facts.
No don't start a debate about this, I'm listing all the stuff here it'll take me hours.
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Well, if you actually read the reviews, you'll see they're all either two things: Either categorically going through exactly how all the lore is being butchered, or just a short sweet "It's boring and shit and wrecks the lore". So, there's quite a few people who aren't just mindless haters, though I have no clue why they're wasting their time explaining why RoP sucks. I'd just say "It's shit but it could get better" since I don't want to waste my time on a proper review as currently the show isn't worth that much attention. It's just meh at best, nothing more to say about it.
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Just because a show butchers the lore, doesn't make it bad
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As I said its a D&D series.
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At this point, I do not think the show's long-term potential can be judged. As anyone with an understanding of fiction knows, the hardest part of writing is the introduction--you have to introduce the viewer to the world, the characters, the backstory, etc. This is particularly difficult with established intellectual property, where you run the risk of boring folks who already know the situation or losing folks who know nothing about the franchise.
Thus far, the showrunners have leaned heavily on exposition and assuming the viewer already recognizes "Galadriel/Elrond = folks the viewer should care about" and "Sauron = bad guy", without doing much to establish them as characters the viewer should care about in a vacuum, independent of knowledge outside of the show. They have relied heavily on Galadriel and Elrond and the trust the viewer has in them to introduce the world (ex. telling us "this is the High King, care about him also!" without really introducing Gil-Galad as anything outside exposition). The desire to introduce the world also has led to a lack of actual conflict thus far--we know there is supposed to be some conflict out there because we know Sauron = bad guy from outside knowledge, but the majority of the urgency and drive we are supposed to feel comes from Galadriel telling us there is urgency in exposition--failing the "show don't tell" rule of good script writing.
Still, these are novice showrunners working with the most difficult canon--and one of the worst fandoms--literature has to offer. That they are struggling in the most difficult stage of writing does not necessarily mean they are always going to struggle.
And there is potential moving forward. They nailed the dwarves (though dwarves are some of the easiest fantasy races to nail). There is potential in Arondir and Bronwyn's story--it is the only story where we actually have something compelling happening other than pure exposition. Elrond stated to become more interesting of a character when he was actually moving the story forward and showing some agency, rather than being a mouthpiece for exposition told to explain to Galadriel (but really the viewer) everything that was going on.
As for the "destroying the lore" position, I am not overly concerned about that--assuming the writing improves. A true fan of Tolkien would know that you could never "destroy the lore" because the lore itself is protean and, by Tolkien's own desire, subject to be changed. Tolkien always wanted LotR to be a shared mythology that other folks would take up after his death--and, like any mythology, subject to different interpretations and different retellings that are not always congruent (see Homer having Zeus be the oldest of the Olympians, even though every other source has him as the youngest, and him being the oldest makes little sense).
All told, I was not super impressed with the exposition dump of episode one and two, but I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and see how well they do once they have actually established their world and start moving on to developing it.