Pretty neat. I hope it sticks around. I noticed it on 'My Characters' and on the sheets themselves. It is not on the campaign page at the time of this writing though, which is where I spend most of my time.
Yeah. All caps is not great. Don't like seeing like my characters are "yelling" their names.
Appreciate you have a wider set of tools available now, but it would be great if you could poll or discuss with the community before making such a wide reaching change. Major thumbs down from me.
I'd also prefer it to be optional. I'm sure there's some people who'd love it but it's a bit too bold and in your face for my tastes. Maybe it would work better if it wasn't bold or was a bit more grey?
I've had a brief conversation with some of our design team, even though it's the weekend, and this will be looked at on Tuesday (Monday is a holiday in the US).
D&D Beyond should NEVER be making changes that reduce the accessibility of our site.
Thank you so much! FWIW the community here is ULTRA engaged. If you start a system of opt in beta users to provide feedback and testing you would have an absolute treasure trove of data to direct future dev and design.
Also @Stormknight here is some food for thought from a former designer for the team's discussions next week - hopefully it is helpful!
While there are some general concerns about the readability of the Tiamat font writ large it is not a fundamentally flawed font. But even the layout and book designers at WoTC know it is an ulta-powerful title font that is used extremely rarely. If you open WoTC book it is used in three main places - the book title, the book spine, and the title page. That's it.
If you go through the PhB for example, it's not what we would call a Header 1 (H1) in the web design space. It's an ultra H1 or even not really a font for actual page text but a font you would use to create a top of page graphic or logo. And even if it was suitable for a standard H1 it's usually agreed upon and best practice to only use a single H1 per web page.
Looking at the My Characters page (https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters) you could argue that just taking the actual My Characters text at the top of the page into Tiamat permanently is appropriate and isn't a huge hit to accessibility because there are many other over and contextual clues to the user that they are on the My Characters page already.
But to change every Header 2 (H2) the names of each character into Tiamat is totally inappropriate for that element of the design given the concerns raises (all caps, extremely bold, ultra aggressive serfis leading to overly tight kerning, etc) and negatively impacts accessibility (as browsing the names of the characters is a core function of this page).
As to the specific character pages, while the character name is now an H1 in the HTML one of your core user groups is the DM. I'll have multiple characters up in tabs or frames at any one time, so the readability issues are now re-created for me given my use case.
While I understand there may be a concern of overuse of the Roboto font, it's legibility as a font cannot be matched (and you're benefiting from the feedback of literally billions of users in that case).
The font is spiffy for titles, where you just have that one or two words of it, but for anything else, like my list of dozens and dozens of characters - it's frankly an eyesore and hard-to-read. The font is very much best used in big titles and for smaller texts it's a very jarring font. I don't any significant eye problems but my eyesight isn't the best and gradually worsening over time - so, given this font is difficult even for those with 20/20 vision, you can imagine what it is like for those of those with less-than-stellar eyesight.
Please, for the love of all things fluffy, change it back. This isn't just basic preference (for that we can always use some CSS override extension) but this is genuinely having a negative impact on the readability of the character list.
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We had our Order of Scribes Wizard recast some spells - the character names are now returned to the previous font, however, Tiamat (the font, not the Queen of Dragons) is still kept for the My Characters header on that page. Thanks for the feedback!
The "My characters" page font changed. This has happened before temporarily I think, is this one permanent?
I noticed it as well. I actually love the font.
Pretty neat. I hope it sticks around. I noticed it on 'My Characters' and on the sheets themselves. It is not on the campaign page at the time of this writing though, which is where I spend most of my time.
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If I'm not mistaken, that's Modesto All Caps condensed bold (certainly in the Modesto family), one of fonts used on official booksStormknight with the true answer below
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That's Tiamat font, which is officially owned by Wizards of the Coast, and used for headers within D&D books.
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Can we make it optional rather than obligatory? I don’t like that this font only has capital letters.
I dislike it very much. All caps - really? especially my bags its a bit much ugh...
Give us options or put it back - please!!!
Yeah. All caps is not great. Don't like seeing like my characters are "yelling" their names.
Appreciate you have a wider set of tools available now, but it would be great if you could poll or discuss with the community before making such a wide reaching change. Major thumbs down from me.
Please make this optional.
yeah and just the character name would be bad enough, but I organize my stuff in bags - so now I have a bunch of bags yelling at me!!!! lol
I'd also prefer it to be optional. I'm sure there's some people who'd love it but it's a bit too bold and in your face for my tastes. Maybe it would work better if it wasn't bold or was a bit more grey?
I agree. While l think it's cool, it should be optional, like how you can switch your character sheets to "Underdark mode".
Hey folks,
I've had a brief conversation with some of our design team, even though it's the weekend, and this will be looked at on Tuesday (Monday is a holiday in the US).
D&D Beyond should NEVER be making changes that reduce the accessibility of our site.
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Thank you so much! FWIW the community here is ULTRA engaged. If you start a system of opt in beta users to provide feedback and testing you would have an absolute treasure trove of data to direct future dev and design.
Also @Stormknight here is some food for thought from a former designer for the team's discussions next week - hopefully it is helpful!
While there are some general concerns about the readability of the Tiamat font writ large it is not a fundamentally flawed font. But even the layout and book designers at WoTC know it is an ulta-powerful title font that is used extremely rarely. If you open WoTC book it is used in three main places - the book title, the book spine, and the title page. That's it.
If you go through the PhB for example, it's not what we would call a Header 1 (H1) in the web design space. It's an ultra H1 or even not really a font for actual page text but a font you would use to create a top of page graphic or logo. And even if it was suitable for a standard H1 it's usually agreed upon and best practice to only use a single H1 per web page.
Looking at the My Characters page (https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters) you could argue that just taking the actual My Characters text at the top of the page into Tiamat permanently is appropriate and isn't a huge hit to accessibility because there are many other over and contextual clues to the user that they are on the My Characters page already.
But to change every Header 2 (H2) the names of each character into Tiamat is totally inappropriate for that element of the design given the concerns raises (all caps, extremely bold, ultra aggressive serfis leading to overly tight kerning, etc) and negatively impacts accessibility (as browsing the names of the characters is a core function of this page).
As to the specific character pages, while the character name is now an H1 in the HTML one of your core user groups is the DM. I'll have multiple characters up in tabs or frames at any one time, so the readability issues are now re-created for me given my use case.
While I understand there may be a concern of overuse of the Roboto font, it's legibility as a font cannot be matched (and you're benefiting from the feedback of literally billions of users in that case).
I'm in agreement with NSK and others.
The font is spiffy for titles, where you just have that one or two words of it, but for anything else, like my list of dozens and dozens of characters - it's frankly an eyesore and hard-to-read. The font is very much best used in big titles and for smaller texts it's a very jarring font. I don't any significant eye problems but my eyesight isn't the best and gradually worsening over time - so, given this font is difficult even for those with 20/20 vision, you can imagine what it is like for those of those with less-than-stellar eyesight.
Please, for the love of all things fluffy, change it back. This isn't just basic preference (for that we can always use some CSS override extension) but this is genuinely having a negative impact on the readability of the character list.
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So the font looks cool for all of you above? Because what I'm seeing here is this basic times new roman kinda stuff. It looks very, very ugly.
Hahah yeah I feel like my character sheet is yelling at me now.
That is not the font I have.
I have modesto condensed font
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/parkinson/modesto/condensed/
Also thanks Stormknight for letting us know they will look into this!!
That is nowhere close to the font i show. Like Arco mentioned it's very close to Modesto Condensed.
My own opinion, i love it. But having it optional seems like a no-brainer. Glad this feedback was passed on to the dev teams.
We had our Order of Scribes Wizard recast some spells - the character names are now returned to the previous font, however, Tiamat (the font, not the Queen of Dragons) is still kept for the My Characters header on that page. Thanks for the feedback!
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