The one main continent from Mystara was basically 14 different campaign settings (1 for each country), it had several other continents on the planet, and the planet itself was hollow so the interior was like a Dyson sphere with its own unique setting. Plus, the ancient history of Mystara had robots and aliens, and the more recent history had what was basically a portion of France slider-esque relocate there. There are no “gods” on Mystara. Instead they have “immortals.” Anyone could conceivably become an Immortal, and the very first Immortal was a Dinosaur. Is that enough, or you need more?
That sounds slightly more interesting than my cursory reading indicated, but I'd have to see what kind of races and subclasses and magic items that would lead to. "Hollow Earth" isn't all that different from the Underdark in concept, and Eberron already has countries that function as their own smaller settings, as well as robots. Aliens and Immortals have potential, though. Especially that Dinosaur Immortal.
The Hollow World and Underdark have absolutely nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
The Underdark is a vast underground cave network. It is Dark, it is brutal, and the bulk of its inhabitants are evil.
The Hollow World is a vast, wide open interior of the planet with a sun at its center and a massive floating continent that provides a semblance of night time to the rest of the Hollow World. And every one of its civilizations was rescued from extinction in the surface and relocated by the Immortals to the Hollow World as a sort of anthropological preserve.
Also, Mystara has two moons, one that’s invisible and inhabited by people, the other inhabited by the Immortals. And the immortals draw their power from the spheres. Think like a giant machine that provides divinity to those who go can learn to master its ways.
Hmmm. That has potential, but I'd need a better idea how any of that affects the overall feel, and what kinds of races, subclasses, monsters, and items would come out of it. I need a solid balance of both fluff and crunch. Too much of one or the other and I start tuning out entirely.
Planescape: Tasha did make hopping planes awful easy with dream of the blue veil. could be nice forethought.
That's not planes-hopping, that's world hopping. Planehopping is from plane shift and similar spells, that's travelling from the Forgotten Realms to Wildemount or from Dark Sun to Eberron.
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I would love more fey options in 5e. The fey with the highest CR are the Eladrin from Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, with a CR of 10. We seriously need higher level options for fey monsters, like Archfey and other powerful faerie folk that can be used to fight against the party.
An Archfey Warlock should absolutely have a canon mechanical way to face and destroy their patron.
Well, unfortunately there would only be one or two race/subraces. Lupins (think Tabaxi but canine) and there was a race of winged elves. Also the Aranea, shape shifting spider people. To be clear though, that’s only because races that were originally from Mystara are now everywhere. For example, before anyone ever heard of anything called a Tabaxi, there were the Rakasta on Mystara. Tortles were originally from Mystara too. It was also the first setting with rules for PC Orcs, Goblins, Hobgoblins, Kobolds, Ogres, Trolls and a few other monstrous Races (like Gnolls before their canon went fiendish). So, there would have been tons of new races, but they already got stolen for the rest of D&D.
As for subclasses, in the Savage Coast of one of the other continents, the entire feel was very Gaucho, so that could lead to a number of late colonial-early western feeling subclasses. Back in the Known World continent there was literally everything from Dervishes to Braves to Mongols to an entire country populated by arcane Magic users where divine magic was banned. And in the prehistory was Blackmore, and entire nation of what were basically Atificers that is now “lost to history.” So... take your pick.
And a slew of monsters (like the terrifying Manacorpions) and magic items you have never even heard of yet. Unfortunately, to do Mystara proper justice, even if they abridged everything it would still take 4-6 books the size of Eberron or Wildmount. There was just that much published for it.
That’s the beauty of Mystara. If I keep going, sooner or later I’ll hit something that everyone is into. It really has everything. But depending on how you want to play it, you never have to deal with any of it if you don’t want to because of how things were divided geographically.
Anyone remember a setting called Red Steel from Advanced D&D days? I brought it many many moons ago and never got round to playing as 3e came out about a week later. The blurb on the back of the box says:
"Red Steel. An Extrordinary metal, lighter than common steel and more precious than gold. The object of quests and the cause of war, Only one place holds this treasure: the Savage Coast. This Grand frontier is also home ot the Red Curse, an ancient bane that hideously deforms some victims, whilst mysteriously granting power to others. Here the player characters can acquire wonderous abilities, even as they seek to garner red steel, the key to power and fame!"
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Anyone remember a setting called Red Steel from Advanced D&D days? I brought it many many moons ago and never got round to playing as 3e came out about a week later. The blurb on the back of the box says:
"Red Steel. An Extrordinary metal, lighter than common steel and more precious than gold. The object of quests and the cause of war, Only one place holds this treasure: the Savage Coast. This Grand frontier is also home ot the Red Curse, an ancient bane that hideously deforms some victims, whilst mysteriously granting power to others. Here the player characters can acquire wonderous abilities, even as they seek to garner red steel, the key to power and fame!"
Yes, that was on Mystara. That was located on the continent with the Gauchos and the Manscorpions and the Aranea.
I’m actually looking at it on my coffee table right now as I type this.
I will continue to hope beyond hope for a Greyhawk book, even just a module with Greyhawk as the default setting. But I know it'll never happen...
Ghosts of Saltmarsh happened.
Yes it did, and I can live with just that (plus about half of TftYP), but I will still dream of a new World of Greyhawk Boxed Set or a revamp of the Slave Lords storyline.
Bsed on the recentish test subclasses/races it could be Dragonlance or DarkSun. As I remember a lot of Dragonlike creatures in DarkSun original adventures and both the power wizardey sorts turned dragonish when they got to legendary powers. Also all the psionics. Admittedly I would rather they wait until they do a real psi class to come up with Darksun but they don't seem to be pushing for a psi. I hope for Spelljammer or Dragonlance because I've had some great campaigns in both those worlds and moving them into 5th ed would add some of those same narrative possibilities.
given the (still) pending lawsuit with Hickman &Weiss I wouldnt hold my breath for a DL book. But, a Spelljammer may be likely (especially given the popularity of Starfinder)
given the (still) pending lawsuit with Hickman &Weiss I wouldnt hold my breath for a DL book. But, a Spelljammer may be likely (especially given the popularity of Starfinder)
The suit is not still pending. It was dismissed without prejudice per plaintiff's request last month.
Following up on the press of the case Weiss on twitter confirms her parties dropped the suit and encourages DL fans to stay tuned for exciting announcement in a few weeks. That could be the new book announcement or it could be something else but there should be some DL news shortly.
Again, not fanboying, I'm not excited about a DL treatment in 5e in stead of an established world that's actually "different" (Planescape, Jammer, Dark Sun) from traditional Tolkien DNA; but the likelihood is there.
Some folks who don't follow litigation cling to the "without prejudice". At this stage in litigation a dismissal with prejudice would basically be the Court saying "Never stink up my court with this issue again." Without at this timing in a civil case's life cycle basically means something has happened between the parties that means they want this case to go away. Can it be refiled? Sure, but that would take time.
If it is Dragonlance, I'm sort of dreading these forums for the next few months based on how the possibility dominated this thread and the form that dominion took.
given the (still) pending lawsuit with Hickman &Weiss I wouldnt hold my breath for a DL book.
It was dismissed without prejudice. Means it could be refiled, but that seems unlikely as Margaret Weis tweeted about exciting news in the weeks to come.
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If it is Dragonlance, I'm sort of dreading these forums for the next few months based on how the possibility dominated this thread and the form that dominion took.
I mean, you can replace Dragonlance with Dark Sun and that would still be true albeit based on a couple of other threads. :p
And if it's Planescape my excitement for what we might get will only be matched by my dread for what we might get, so...
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It occurred to me today that the place where the dragon-themed subclasses would really fit would be in a new Draconomicon. and also I think we're probably about due for a new monster book anyway.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It occurred to me today that the place where the dragon-themed subclasses would really fit would be in a new Draconomicon. and also I think we're probably about due for a new monster book anyway.
If it lacks DRAGONRAGE Barbarians, I'm flipping the table and dismissing the Draconomicon as Dunderdunce's Draconic Ditherings
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It occurred to me today that the place where the dragon-themed subclasses would really fit would be in a new Draconomicon. and also I think we're probably about due for a new monster book anyway.
If it lacks DRAGONRAGE Barbarians, I'm flipping the table and dismissing the Draconomicon as Dunderdunce's Draconic Ditherings
It wouldn't have subclasses because it would be a monster book like Volo's or Mordenkainenen's.
It occurred to me today that the place where the dragon-themed subclasses would really fit would be in a new Draconomicon. and also I think we're probably about due for a new monster book anyway.
I've wondered about this, given that when the Sapphire Dragon was released as a one-off special, word was that other Crystal Dragons were coming. Don't know enough about DL to know if that would apply to DL as well.
Hmmm. That has potential, but I'd need a better idea how any of that affects the overall feel, and what kinds of races, subclasses, monsters, and items would come out of it. I need a solid balance of both fluff and crunch. Too much of one or the other and I start tuning out entirely.
That's not planes-hopping, that's world hopping. Planehopping is from plane shift and similar spells, that's travelling from the Forgotten Realms to Wildemount or from Dark Sun to Eberron.
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An Archfey Warlock should absolutely have a canon mechanical way to face and destroy their patron.
Well, unfortunately there would only be one or two race/subraces. Lupins (think Tabaxi but canine) and there was a race of winged elves. Also the Aranea, shape shifting spider people. To be clear though, that’s only because races that were originally from Mystara are now everywhere. For example, before anyone ever heard of anything called a Tabaxi, there were the Rakasta on Mystara. Tortles were originally from Mystara too. It was also the first setting with rules for PC Orcs, Goblins, Hobgoblins, Kobolds, Ogres, Trolls and a few other monstrous Races (like Gnolls before their canon went fiendish). So, there would have been tons of new races, but they already got stolen for the rest of D&D.
As for subclasses, in the Savage Coast of one of the other continents, the entire feel was very Gaucho, so that could lead to a number of late colonial-early western feeling subclasses. Back in the Known World continent there was literally everything from Dervishes to Braves to Mongols to an entire country populated by arcane Magic users where divine magic was banned. And in the prehistory was Blackmore, and entire nation of what were basically Atificers that is now “lost to history.” So... take your pick.
And a slew of monsters (like the terrifying Manacorpions) and magic items you have never even heard of yet. Unfortunately, to do Mystara proper justice, even if they abridged everything it would still take 4-6 books the size of Eberron or Wildmount. There was just that much published for it.
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Okay, you said "Gaucho," and now I'm into it.
That’s the beauty of Mystara. If I keep going, sooner or later I’ll hit something that everyone is into. It really has everything. But depending on how you want to play it, you never have to deal with any of it if you don’t want to because of how things were divided geographically.
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Anyone remember a setting called Red Steel from Advanced D&D days? I brought it many many moons ago and never got round to playing as 3e came out about a week later. The blurb on the back of the box says:
"Red Steel. An Extrordinary metal, lighter than common steel and more precious than gold. The object of quests and the cause of war, Only one place holds this treasure: the Savage Coast. This Grand frontier is also home ot the Red Curse, an ancient bane that hideously deforms some victims, whilst mysteriously granting power to others. Here the player characters can acquire wonderous abilities, even as they seek to garner red steel, the key to power and fame!"
Yes, that was on Mystara. That was located on the continent with the Gauchos and the Manscorpions and the Aranea.
I’m actually looking at it on my coffee table right now as I type this.
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I will continue to hope beyond hope for a Greyhawk book, even just a module with Greyhawk as the default setting. But I know it'll never happen...
Ghosts of Saltmarsh happened.
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Yes it did, and I can live with just that (plus about half of TftYP), but I will still dream of a new World of Greyhawk Boxed Set or a revamp of the Slave Lords storyline.
Bsed on the recentish test subclasses/races it could be Dragonlance or DarkSun. As I remember a lot of Dragonlike creatures in DarkSun original adventures and both the power wizardey sorts turned dragonish when they got to legendary powers. Also all the psionics. Admittedly I would rather they wait until they do a real psi class to come up with Darksun but they don't seem to be pushing for a psi. I hope for Spelljammer or Dragonlance because I've had some great campaigns in both those worlds and moving them into 5th ed would add some of those same narrative possibilities.
given the (still) pending lawsuit with Hickman &Weiss I wouldnt hold my breath for a DL book.
But, a Spelljammer may be likely (especially given the popularity of Starfinder)
The suit is not still pending. It was dismissed without prejudice per plaintiff's request last month.
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/12/dd-dragonlance-lawsuit-against-wotc-dismissed-is-krynn-in-the-cards.html
Following up on the press of the case Weiss on twitter confirms her parties dropped the suit and encourages DL fans to stay tuned for exciting announcement in a few weeks. That could be the new book announcement or it could be something else but there should be some DL news shortly.
Again, not fanboying, I'm not excited about a DL treatment in 5e in stead of an established world that's actually "different" (Planescape, Jammer, Dark Sun) from traditional Tolkien DNA; but the likelihood is there.
Some folks who don't follow litigation cling to the "without prejudice". At this stage in litigation a dismissal with prejudice would basically be the Court saying "Never stink up my court with this issue again." Without at this timing in a civil case's life cycle basically means something has happened between the parties that means they want this case to go away. Can it be refiled? Sure, but that would take time.
If it is Dragonlance, I'm sort of dreading these forums for the next few months based on how the possibility dominated this thread and the form that dominion took.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
It was dismissed without prejudice. Means it could be refiled, but that seems unlikely as Margaret Weis tweeted about exciting news in the weeks to come.
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I mean, you can replace Dragonlance with Dark Sun and that would still be true albeit based on a couple of other threads. :p
And if it's Planescape my excitement for what we might get will only be matched by my dread for what we might get, so...
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It occurred to me today that the place where the dragon-themed subclasses would really fit would be in a new Draconomicon. and also I think we're probably about due for a new monster book anyway.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
If it lacks DRAGONRAGE Barbarians, I'm flipping the table and dismissing the Draconomicon as Dunderdunce's Draconic Ditherings
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
It wouldn't have subclasses because it would be a monster book like Volo's or Mordenkainenen's.
I've wondered about this, given that when the Sapphire Dragon was released as a one-off special, word was that other Crystal Dragons were coming. Don't know enough about DL to know if that would apply to DL as well.
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