I do share views that differ from what you have on this topic, yes. But for the most part i had absolutely no desire to input anything until that rude “Yeah. No thanks” 2nd grade pouty child response when kvnluck simply tried to share something that they made and were proud of.
Because believe it or not, these forums are actual for sharing ideas and things that you have created with other members of the community, not to tell other people their ideas are bad because it isn't your idea.
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Hold up. Someone approaches you in the supermarket with a sample of food. You inquire if it has X ingredient because it disagrees with you for some reason, maybe peanut allergy or lactose intolerance or vegan reasons or blood sugar or whatever. They tell you it has ingredient X in it. And you politely tell them “Okay. No thank you.”
I didn’t say anything other than to politely tell that person that I was not interested in their product. I didn’t tell them they were wrong. I didn’t tell them they shouldn’t do it. I didn’t tell them to leave. I didn’t tell them not to purseu interest elsewhere from other members in this thread. I quite literally said the politest thing I could, the thing my grandmother taught me to say: “no thank you.”
No, they're barely anything. It has to be a class, and has to be a new system. Is it too much to demand that your apple sauce has to be made of apples? It's a fallacy to say that they couldn't balance a new system. The fact that something hasn't happened before doesn't mean that it can't be done.
Boi! With that apple sauce analogy you are demanding that it be made of apples (a new class) but only be made in the way your ancestors made it before the invention of fire (a new system) i have no clue what kind of point you are trying to make here. Also they did try it before, in 2017 remember. Although i cant quite remember how that went.....
But it was what you were trying to say. You're saying that the key points that I believe psionics should go is pointless.
I want Psionics to be a class and it to not be a spellcaster and it to be balanced. I have opinions on the other abilities and so on, but the only things I need to approve a psionic system in a UA. I'm not unreasonable or unyielding in my point of view, except on a few points.
I don't see how anyone would be opposed to it as a class besides WotC. It can be balanced. They can balance a new system. The fact that they haven't made it yet doesn't mean that it can't exist. This is a fallacy.
Those 'few points' are some very large and demanding points bugga-boo and that is surly not a fallacy.
I like how you also only responded to like, 2 very small points out of that whole thing lmao
I would also like to point out that you are the same person who went into a different thread and said one of the main problems with the Mystic was that the document was too long and need to be about the same length as other classes, when the only reason that it was 28 pages long was because they did give you an entire new system. It was 5 pages of class and 23 pages of psionics which- Would you look at that!!- is the same average length of a normal class and about 1/3 of the spellcasting system.
Yes, I was that person. Mystic was too overpowered and was too long and complicated. I have said that I want the new system to not be too complicated. 5e is based around simplicity.
Which you complained about?! strange. Almost like its extremely complicated to make a new system.....
Yeah, except the only new system they tried out was an extremely complicated and long one. They can make a fairly simple and short new system for psionics. It doesn't have to be super long and complicated. Again, it's a circular argument to say "It hasn't happened the way you want it, so it can't happen, because this thing happened".
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No, they're barely anything. It has to be a class, and has to be a new system. Is it too much to demand that your apple sauce has to be made of apples? It's a fallacy to say that they couldn't balance a new system. The fact that something hasn't happened before doesn't mean that it can't be done.
Boi! With that apple sauce analogy you are demanding that it be made of apples (a new class) but only be made in the way your ancestors made it before the invention of fire (a new system) i have no clue what kind of point you are trying to make here. Also they did try it before, in 2017 remember. Although i cant quite remember how that went.....
They tried it, but not enough. Remember the Artificer? They made the first version, which was broken and horrible, and then they eventually tried again with very serious revisions, and they got it right. Why can't the same thing happen with a Psionic class?
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I do share views that differ from what you have on this topic, yes. But for the most part i had absolutely no desire to input anything until that rude “Yeah. No thanks” 2nd grade pouty child response when kvnluck simply tried to share something that they made and were proud of.
Because believe it or not, these forums are actual for sharing ideas and things that you have created with other members of the community, not to tell other people their ideas are bad because it isn't your idea.
No, that's not what I'm trying to do. Just trying to explain my point of view as to why Psionics can't be based around spellcasting or spells.
Hold up. Someone approaches you in the supermarket with a sample of food. You inquire if it has X ingredient because it disagrees with you for some reason, maybe peanut allergy or lactose intolerance or vegan reasons or blood sugar or whatever. They tell you it has ingredient X in it. And you politely tell them “Okay. No thank you.”
Literally no one says it like that unless it is sarcastic and they are trying to be rude, but go off i guess lmao
Atrome, that is exactly what you said; do not act surprised that people interpret things a certain way when you say them a certain way. You are also mischaracterizing the argument many of us have made, which is that we disagree with the idea that spellcasting is an adequate way to represent psionics, and why we feel that this is the case. Further, we have discussed throughout this thread, as well as other relevant threads, different ways in which how such a system might work, and saying that this is impossible is clearly false, otherwise we wouldn't have any class differentiation in 5e whatsoever.
Lastly, perhaps you are unaware, but the tone you are using in describing proponents of a different system for psionics is condescending and, quite frankly, a little insulting. If you want to continue having this conversation and advocate your position, then by all means you are free to do so. However, I highly recommend that when you do so, you do so from a position of respect rather than treating us like children incapable of holding mature and reasoned arguments.
Yeah, except the only new system they tried out was an extremely complicated and long one. They can make a fairly simple and short new system for psionics. It doesn't have to be super long and complicated. Again, it's a circular argument to say "It hasn't happened the way you want it, so it can't happen, because this thing happened".
And the point that i have been trying to make this entire time is that new system is inherently more complicated. Especially on the other side of the DM screen
Hold up. Someone approaches you in the supermarket with a sample of food. You inquire if it has X ingredient because it disagrees with you for some reason, maybe peanut allergy or lactose intolerance or vegan reasons or blood sugar or whatever. They tell you it has ingredient X in it. And you politely tell them “Okay. No thank you.”
Literally no one says it like that unless it is sarcastic and they are trying to be rude, but go off i guess lmao
You know, I bend over friggin backwards to be polite in these forums and people take offense to it. I say it like I actually speak. And apparently people take offense to it. I can’t win for loosing. You want to perceive me as rude I can’t stop you. But has it maybe occurred to you that I wasn’t? I give up. I genuinely respect your opinions. I actually enjoy our debates. Here I was thinking you were doing some friendly ball breaking but in reality I apparently pissed you off. My bad.
Atrome, that is exactly what you said; do not act surprised that people interpret things a certain way when you say them a certain way. You are also mischaracterizing the argument many of us have made, which is that we disagree with the idea that spellcasting is an adequate way to represent psionics, and why we feel that this is the case. Further, we have discussed throughout this thread, as well as other relevant threads, different ways in which how such a system might work, and saying that this is impossible is clearly false, otherwise we wouldn't have any class differentiation in 5e whatsoever.
Lastly, perhaps you are unaware, but the tone you are using in describing proponents of a different system for psionics is condescending and, quite frankly, a little insulting. If you want to continue having this conversation and advocate your position, then by all means you are free to do so. However, I highly recommend that when you do so, you do so from a position of respect rather than treating us like children incapable of holding mature and reasoned arguments.
Boi i have no idea to which phrase you are refering to because you neglected to quote anything. Also you clearly didnt read everything i have typed in this recent conversation because i have tried to make i t clear that I partially agree with what you want but thing a lot of it is unreasonable.
Hey this is the intent, you are completely free to feel however you want and take what i say which ever way you want, but the last thing you get to do is tell me how to act :)
Yeah, except the only new system they tried out was an extremely complicated and long one. They can make a fairly simple and short new system for psionics. It doesn't have to be super long and complicated. Again, it's a circular argument to say "It hasn't happened the way you want it, so it can't happen, because this thing happened".
And the point that i have been trying to make this entire time is that new system is inherently more complicated. Especially on the other side of the DM screen
How? They made a new system for the Artificer's magic item making, with it being fairly simple compared to an alternative.
New System =/= Complicated System
There's no proof of this. Mystics were badly designed and overly complicated. This doesn't prove that they cannot make one.
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Hold up. Someone approaches you in the supermarket with a sample of food. You inquire if it has X ingredient because it disagrees with you for some reason, maybe peanut allergy or lactose intolerance or vegan reasons or blood sugar or whatever. They tell you it has ingredient X in it. And you politely tell them “Okay. No thank you.”
Literally no one says it like that unless it is sarcastic and they are trying to be rude, but go off i guess lmao
You know, I bend over friggin backwards to be polite in these forums and people take offense to it. I say it like I actually speak. And apparently people take offense to it. I can’t win for loosing. You want to perceive me as rude I can’t stop you. But has it maybe occurred to you that I wasn’t? I give up. I genuinely respect your opinions. I actually enjoy our debates. Here I was thinking you were doing some friendly ball breaking but in reality I apparently pissed you off. My bad.
I also appreciate our debates, and honestly be as rude as you want to me i truly couldnt care less, but i dont like seeing people be mean to others (if that makes sense) and i got a little heated about that perceived notion. Sorry
I do share views that differ from what you have on this topic, yes. But for the most part i had absolutely no desire to input anything until that rude “Yeah. No thanks” 2nd grade pouty child response when kvnluck simply tried to share something that they made and were proud of.
Because believe it or not, these forums are actual for sharing ideas and things that you have created with other members of the community, not to tell other people their ideas are bad because it isn't your idea.
No, that's not what I'm trying to do. Just trying to explain my point of view as to why Psionics can't be based around spellcasting or spells.
This wasnt directed at you actually lol
I know, and it's not what Sposta was doing. Stop assuming what people are trying to say.
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How? They made a new system for the Artificer's magic item making, with it being fairly simple compared to an alternative.
New System =/= Complicated System
There's no proof of this. Mystics were badly designed and overly complicated. This doesn't prove that they cannot make one.
Okay, lets not give the artificer too much credit here. It didnt take a genius to come up with Eldritch-Invocations-but-restricted-to-items and it is hardly a groundbreaking or even that elegant of a system. They did my boy Artificer dirty and i truly have no faith in them for player systems anymore
No, that's not what I'm trying to do. Just trying to explain my point of view as to why Psionics can't be based around spellcasting or spells.
This wasnt directed at you actually lol
I know, and it's not what Sposta was doing. Stop assuming what people are trying to say.
Sorry that i assumed you were talking about yourself because you used a personal possessive. My bad
Also, arent you assuming what sposta is trying to say by assuming its not what they were doing? I mean you both could be having a private conversation about this conversation, i dont know yalls life, but that sounds to me like you are doing what you are telling me not to.... inn the same sentence.
Atrome, that is exactly what you said; do not act surprised that people interpret things a certain way when you say them a certain way. You are also mischaracterizing the argument many of us have made, which is that we disagree with the idea that spellcasting is an adequate way to represent psionics, and why we feel that this is the case. Further, we have discussed throughout this thread, as well as other relevant threads, different ways in which how such a system might work, and saying that this is impossible is clearly false, otherwise we wouldn't have any class differentiation in 5e whatsoever.
Lastly, perhaps you are unaware, but the tone you are using in describing proponents of a different system for psionics is condescending and, quite frankly, a little insulting. If you want to continue having this conversation and advocate your position, then by all means you are free to do so. However, I highly recommend that when you do so, you do so from a position of respect rather than treating us like children incapable of holding mature and reasoned arguments.
Boi i have no idea to which phrase you are refering to because you neglected to quote anything. Also you clearly didnt read everything i have typed in this recent conversation because i have tried to make i t clear that I partially agree with what you want but thing a lot of it is unreasonable.
It's not unreasonable to want something and vote against something because it's not the thing they wanted. I will vote against a UA that is meant to fulfill psionics in 5e if it doesn't meet my requirements. This isn't selfish, this just doesn't meet what I think psionics should be. If WotC was to release a UA race for the Tarrasque that gave you 5 attacks at level one, I'd vote against it, because it doesn't fit in with the other races. This is an opinion as well, and it's not unreasonable to have such an opinion.
Hey this is the intent, you are completely free to feel however you want and take what i say which ever way you want, but the last thing you get to do is tell me how to act :)
You were literally telling people how to act by telling Sposta to be nicer, because you misunderstood him!
We're not telling you to act someway, but you have been more than a little condescending in your posts, and we all would appreciate it if you stopped being this way, as it's just nice.
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How? They made a new system for the Artificer's magic item making, with it being fairly simple compared to an alternative.
New System =/= Complicated System
There's no proof of this. Mystics were badly designed and overly complicated. This doesn't prove that they cannot make one.
Okay, lets not give the artificer too much credit here. It didnt take a genius to come up with Eldritch-Invocations-but-restricted-to-items and it is hardly a groundbreaking or even that elegant of a system. They did my boy Artificer dirty and i truly have no faith in them for player systems anymore
Doesn't take a genius, but it does take several redos to the class and time. That's my point. They developed a new system for the artificer. They developed the Psi Dice for the new UA subclasses. They can make a new system, and a new system does not mean that it is inherently complicated. 5e was a new system, but is much less complicated that previous editions.
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However, I highly recommend that when you do so, you do so from a position of respect rather than treating us like children incapable of holding mature and reasoned arguments.
I do share views that differ from what you have on this topic, yes. But for the most part i had absolutely no desire to input anything until that rude “Yeah. No thanks” 2nd grade pouty child response when kvnluck simply tried to share something that they made and were proud of.
Because believe it or not, these forums are actual for sharing ideas and things that you have created with other members of the community, not to tell other people their ideas are bad because it isn't your idea.
On that note, a much more productive place to post homebrew and get really good feedback is on reddit (surprisingly). I recommend r/DMAcademy. It is a very friendly and helpful subreddit for stuff like this
this is me getting reactionary to him insulting someone (perceived) but never once telling him "be nice"
You were literally telling people how to act by telling Sposta to be nicer, because you misunderstood him!
We're not telling you to act someway, but you have been more than a little condescending in your posts, and we all would appreciate it if you stopped being this way, as it's just nice.
It would be nice if you would stop trying to front on me :)
No, that's not what I'm trying to do. Just trying to explain my point of view as to why Psionics can't be based around spellcasting or spells.
This wasnt directed at you actually lol
I know, and it's not what Sposta was doing. Stop assuming what people are trying to say.
Sorry that i assumed you were talking about yourself because you used a personal possessive. My bad
Also, arent you assuming what sposta is trying to say by assuming its not what they were doing? I mean you both could be having a private conversation about this conversation, i dont know yalls life, but that sounds to me like you are doing what you are telling me not to.... inn the same sentence.
I realized specifically who you were speaking of afterwards, as you did the same thing you've complained about other people not doing, which is quoting who you are talking to.
I know this now, and yes, I was assuming what Sposta was trying to say, because I know how Sposta speaks on these threads. You assumed generally about the meaning of his post based on other people, and I assumed based on him. I knew what he meant, and you didn't, because you couldn't imagine a circumstance where someone was actually polite and said "no thank you" when declining something.
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How? They made a new system for the Artificer's magic item making, with it being fairly simple compared to an alternative.
New System =/= Complicated System
There's no proof of this. Mystics were badly designed and overly complicated. This doesn't prove that they cannot make one.
Okay, lets not give the artificer too much credit here. It didnt take a genius to come up with Eldritch-Invocations-but-restricted-to-items and it is hardly a groundbreaking or even that elegant of a system. They did my boy Artificer dirty and i truly have no faith in them for player systems anymore
Doesn't take a genius, but it does take several redos to the class and time. That's my point. They developed a new system for the artificer. They developed the Psi Dice for the new UA subclasses. They can make a new system, and a new system does not mean that it is inherently complicated. 5e was a new system, but is much less complicated that previous editions.
Ill say it louder for the people in the back; if Infusions are a new system, then we shoulda just stuck with that god forsaken satchel- at least that was interesting
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Hold up. Someone approaches you in the supermarket with a sample of food. You inquire if it has X ingredient because it disagrees with you for some reason, maybe peanut allergy or lactose intolerance or vegan reasons or blood sugar or whatever. They tell you it has ingredient X in it. And you politely tell them “Okay. No thank you.”
I didn’t say anything other than to politely tell that person that I was not interested in their product. I didn’t tell them they were wrong. I didn’t tell them they shouldn’t do it. I didn’t tell them to leave. I didn’t tell them not to purseu interest elsewhere from other members in this thread. I quite literally said the politest thing I could, the thing my grandmother taught me to say: “no thank you.”
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Yeah, I’m the rude one. We’ll go with that.... 🙄
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Boi! With that apple sauce analogy you are demanding that it be made of apples (a new class) but only be made in the way your ancestors made it before the invention of fire (a new system) i have no clue what kind of point you are trying to make here. Also they did try it before, in 2017 remember. Although i cant quite remember how that went.....
Yes, I was that person. Mystic was too overpowered and was too long and complicated. I have said that I want the new system to not be too complicated. 5e is based around simplicity.
Yeah, except the only new system they tried out was an extremely complicated and long one. They can make a fairly simple and short new system for psionics. It doesn't have to be super long and complicated. Again, it's a circular argument to say "It hasn't happened the way you want it, so it can't happen, because this thing happened".
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They tried it, but not enough. Remember the Artificer? They made the first version, which was broken and horrible, and then they eventually tried again with very serious revisions, and they got it right. Why can't the same thing happen with a Psionic class?
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This wasnt directed at you actually lol
Literally no one says it like that unless it is sarcastic and they are trying to be rude, but go off i guess lmao
Atrome, that is exactly what you said; do not act surprised that people interpret things a certain way when you say them a certain way. You are also mischaracterizing the argument many of us have made, which is that we disagree with the idea that spellcasting is an adequate way to represent psionics, and why we feel that this is the case. Further, we have discussed throughout this thread, as well as other relevant threads, different ways in which how such a system might work, and saying that this is impossible is clearly false, otherwise we wouldn't have any class differentiation in 5e whatsoever.
Lastly, perhaps you are unaware, but the tone you are using in describing proponents of a different system for psionics is condescending and, quite frankly, a little insulting. If you want to continue having this conversation and advocate your position, then by all means you are free to do so. However, I highly recommend that when you do so, you do so from a position of respect rather than treating us like children incapable of holding mature and reasoned arguments.
And the point that i have been trying to make this entire time is that new system is inherently more complicated. Especially on the other side of the DM screen
You know, I bend over friggin backwards to be polite in these forums and people take offense to it. I say it like I actually speak. And apparently people take offense to it. I can’t win for loosing. You want to perceive me as rude I can’t stop you. But has it maybe occurred to you that I wasn’t? I give up. I genuinely respect your opinions. I actually enjoy our debates. Here I was thinking you were doing some friendly ball breaking but in reality I apparently pissed you off. My bad.
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Boi i have no idea to which phrase you are refering to because you neglected to quote anything. Also you clearly didnt read everything i have typed in this recent conversation because i have tried to make i t clear that I partially agree with what you want but thing a lot of it is unreasonable.
Hey this is the intent, you are completely free to feel however you want and take what i say which ever way you want, but the last thing you get to do is tell me how to act :)
How? They made a new system for the Artificer's magic item making, with it being fairly simple compared to an alternative.
New System =/= Complicated System
There's no proof of this. Mystics were badly designed and overly complicated. This doesn't prove that they cannot make one.
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I also appreciate our debates, and honestly be as rude as you want to me i truly couldnt care less, but i dont like seeing people be mean to others (if that makes sense) and i got a little heated about that perceived notion. Sorry
I know, and it's not what Sposta was doing. Stop assuming what people are trying to say.
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Okay, lets not give the artificer too much credit here. It didnt take a genius to come up with Eldritch-Invocations-but-restricted-to-items and it is hardly a groundbreaking or even that elegant of a system. They did my boy Artificer dirty and i truly have no faith in them for player systems anymore
Sorry that i assumed you were talking about yourself because you used a personal possessive. My bad
Also, arent you assuming what sposta is trying to say by assuming its not what they were doing? I mean you both could be having a private conversation about this conversation, i dont know yalls life, but that sounds to me like you are doing what you are telling me not to.... inn the same sentence.
It's not unreasonable to want something and vote against something because it's not the thing they wanted. I will vote against a UA that is meant to fulfill psionics in 5e if it doesn't meet my requirements. This isn't selfish, this just doesn't meet what I think psionics should be. If WotC was to release a UA race for the Tarrasque that gave you 5 attacks at level one, I'd vote against it, because it doesn't fit in with the other races. This is an opinion as well, and it's not unreasonable to have such an opinion.
You were literally telling people how to act by telling Sposta to be nicer, because you misunderstood him!
We're not telling you to act someway, but you have been more than a little condescending in your posts, and we all would appreciate it if you stopped being this way, as it's just nice.
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Doesn't take a genius, but it does take several redos to the class and time. That's my point. They developed a new system for the artificer. They developed the Psi Dice for the new UA subclasses. They can make a new system, and a new system does not mean that it is inherently complicated. 5e was a new system, but is much less complicated that previous editions.
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So this is him telling me how to act.
this is me getting reactionary to him insulting someone (perceived) but never once telling him "be nice"
It would be nice if you would stop trying to front on me :)
I realized specifically who you were speaking of afterwards, as you did the same thing you've complained about other people not doing, which is quoting who you are talking to.
I know this now, and yes, I was assuming what Sposta was trying to say, because I know how Sposta speaks on these threads. You assumed generally about the meaning of his post based on other people, and I assumed based on him. I knew what he meant, and you didn't, because you couldn't imagine a circumstance where someone was actually polite and said "no thank you" when declining something.
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Ill say it louder for the people in the back; if Infusions are a new system, then we shoulda just stuck with that god forsaken satchel- at least that was interesting