Hmm. I may have to check out the Hobbit movies sometime, but nine hours is a lot of time to spend on one storyline.
Lol, they’ve got like 7 storylines. There’s the Gandalf/White Council and Dol Guldur one, the Thranduil Legolas and Tauriel Woodland Realm one, the Bard Alfred and Laketown one, the Bolg and Azog one, plus the you know, main Hobbit plotline.
Hmm. I may have to check out the Hobbit movies sometime, but nine hours is a lot of time to spend on one storyline.
And therein lies the main problem I have with the Hobbit films. The movie was initially planned to be in two parts because everyone involved thought that nine hours was too long to spend on a single story--they aimed for a more manageable 5 or so in the initial stages of development. But Peter Jackson and the producers decided they had another Lord of the Rings on their hands, so they stretched a single children's book into over nine hours of film. Perhaps if they spent more time reading the Hobbit and less time trying to make up their own content, they might have realized the Hobbit is, at its heart, a warning against greed. There's a certain irony in Peter Jackson ruining the Hobbit films for the same cause that ultimately brought about both Thorin and Smaug's downfalls.
Hmm. I may have to check out the Hobbit movies sometime, but nine hours is a lot of time to spend on one storyline.
Lol, they’ve got like 7 storylines. There’s the Gandalf/White Council and Dol Guldur one, the Thranduil Legolas and Tauriel Woodland Realm one, the Bard Alfred and Laketown one, the Bolg and Azog one, plus the you know, main Hobbit plotline.
Hmm. I may have to check out the Hobbit movies sometime, but nine hours is a lot of time to spend on one storyline.
Lol, they’ve got like 7 storylines. There’s the Gandalf/White Council and Dol Guldur one, the Thranduil Legolas and Tauriel Woodland Realm one, the Bard Alfred and Laketown one, the Bolg and Azog one, plus the you know, main Hobbit plotline.
That’s a lot of plotlines to keep track of lol
It is. The first couple are like cool expansions on the book, the next are like waaaay to much people.
Fun lore fact: The Barrow Wights were created by the Witch King of Angmar, when he ruled in his kingdom over the North, to live in and screw up the barrows of the kings of the Dunedain (the Barrow-Downs) cause he’s sadistic and thought that would be funny.
I can’t remember whether the barrow wights are spirits that control/live in the bodies of the dead Kings, or are just plain wraith things that don’t do anything to the Kings.
Fun lore fact: The Barrow Wights were created by the Witch King of Angmar, when he ruled in his kingdom over the North, to live in and screw up the barrows of the kings of the Dunedain (the Barrow-Downs) cause he’s sadistic and thought that would be funny.
I can’t remember whether the barrow wights are spirits that control/live in the bodies of the dead Kings, or are just plain wraith things that don’t do anything to the Kings.
I didn’t know this. Thanks!
Wights are typically corporeal undead, so I’m inclined to think they did possess the bodies of the dead Kings.
Fun lore fact: The Barrow Wights were created by the Witch King of Angmar, when he ruled in his kingdom over the North, to live in and screw up the barrows of the kings of the Dunedain (the Barrow-Downs) cause he’s sadistic and thought that would be funny.
I can’t remember whether the barrow wights are spirits that control/live in the bodies of the dead Kings, or are just plain wraith things that don’t do anything to the Kings.
Just to provide a fun history of where these creatures came from, let's take a moment and look at the story that inspired the Barrow-wight chapter, the Saga of Grettir the Strong. Grettir's saga is one of the Icelandic Sagas, telling the tale of Grettir Ásmundarson, an Icelandic outlaw. Early in his outlawry he comes across the burial mound of Kárr the Old. Kárr, however, is not a peaceful dead--he is a draugr (a term y'all might recognize from the Elder Scrolls games), whose restless body still walks his barrow, killing potential looters. Grettir manages to defeat Kárr and loots the mound, taking a sword from Kárr's grave much the same way the hobbits took their arms from the barrows.
Several late 1800s translations of Grittir's Saga decided to translate draugr into English, using "barrowwight" as their chosen English approximation, a phrase Tolkien utilized when bringing the draugr into his own legendarium.
Speaking of inspirations, one my sister pointed out to me when the Lord of the Rings movies were initially coming out (I was in Middle School and she was in college; she, her then-boyfriend-now-husband, and I were the only ones at the opening night showing, surprisingly)- Boromir's betrayal and death might have some inspiration from the Old French epic Chanson de Roland/Song of Roland (concerning the last stand of Roland, one of Charlemagne's paladins/12 peers). Within it, we have:
-A traitor (Ganelon) causing the French defense to fall
-The hero (Roland) making a heroic last defense against an overwhelming force
-Roland calls for aid using a horn (which is called Oliphaunt, incidentally what Samwise calls the elephant creatures the Haradrim ride)
One might conjecture that Tolkien combined the betrayal of Ganelon and the heroic last stand of Roland into a single character.
Could Gandalf really have spoiled the innkeeper’s beer like he threatened to when they stayed at that inn in Bree and the innkeeper wouldn’t leave them alone?
Could Gandalf really have spoiled the innkeeper’s beer like he threatened to when they stayed at that inn in Bree and the innkeeper wouldn’t leave them alone?
Hmm. I may have to check out the Hobbit movies sometime, but nine hours is a lot of time to spend on one storyline.
Lol, they’ve got like 7 storylines. There’s the Gandalf/White Council and Dol Guldur one, the Thranduil Legolas and Tauriel Woodland Realm one, the Bard Alfred and Laketown one, the Bolg and Azog one, plus the you know, main Hobbit plotline.
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And therein lies the main problem I have with the Hobbit films. The movie was initially planned to be in two parts because everyone involved thought that nine hours was too long to spend on a single story--they aimed for a more manageable 5 or so in the initial stages of development. But Peter Jackson and the producers decided they had another Lord of the Rings on their hands, so they stretched a single children's book into over nine hours of film. Perhaps if they spent more time reading the Hobbit and less time trying to make up their own content, they might have realized the Hobbit is, at its heart, a warning against greed. There's a certain irony in Peter Jackson ruining the Hobbit films for the same cause that ultimately brought about both Thorin and Smaug's downfalls.
That’s a lot of plotlines to keep track of lol
It is. The first couple are like cool expansions on the book, the next are like waaaay to much people.
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I'm sad, there's no Tom Bombadill in the LOtR movies.
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I know :( I was like where is he!!! When I watched the movies.
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Bro ikr, I also would’ve really loved to see the barrow wights on screen. Idk, maybe in the new Amazon series we’ll see some wight/Bombadil action
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Yeah, the Barrow Wights are so cool. Maybe, but I doubt it. It’s set in the Second Age, and that’s before the Barrow Wights existed.
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Fun lore fact: The Barrow Wights were created by the Witch King of Angmar, when he ruled in his kingdom over the North, to live in and screw up the barrows of the kings of the Dunedain (the Barrow-Downs) cause he’s sadistic and thought that would be funny.
I can’t remember whether the barrow wights are spirits that control/live in the bodies of the dead Kings, or are just plain wraith things that don’t do anything to the Kings.
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I didn’t know this. Thanks!
Wights are typically corporeal undead, so I’m inclined to think they did possess the bodies of the dead Kings.
Just to provide a fun history of where these creatures came from, let's take a moment and look at the story that inspired the Barrow-wight chapter, the Saga of Grettir the Strong. Grettir's saga is one of the Icelandic Sagas, telling the tale of Grettir Ásmundarson, an Icelandic outlaw. Early in his outlawry he comes across the burial mound of Kárr the Old. Kárr, however, is not a peaceful dead--he is a draugr (a term y'all might recognize from the Elder Scrolls games), whose restless body still walks his barrow, killing potential looters. Grettir manages to defeat Kárr and loots the mound, taking a sword from Kárr's grave much the same way the hobbits took their arms from the barrows.
Several late 1800s translations of Grittir's Saga decided to translate draugr into English, using "barrowwight" as their chosen English approximation, a phrase Tolkien utilized when bringing the draugr into his own legendarium.
That’s a great idea!!! I love Roland.
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Like srsly someone think of a LotR topic tho.
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Could Gandalf really have spoiled the innkeeper’s beer like he threatened to when they stayed at that inn in Bree and the innkeeper wouldn’t leave them alone?
Sorry. I’m out of ideas lol.
Probably.
Eh it’s conversation anyway lol.
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Ugh two days no posts again. Any ideas?
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