Teleportation is very very useful in the real world. If you can do it, you would at any moment possible. Just make some teleportation circles connecting your work, home, and favorite vacation locations, and you're set to live in Hawaii, while you work as a researcher in Antarctica or the moon.
but you need to scribe the circle every day for a year, that is a lot of commitment to a single circle
What's your goal though? If your goal is to be rich and live forever, that's easily done as a 20th-level wizard with clone. In fact, you could accomplish both with just clone.
Now you're bored, what do you do? I say why not put in that level of dedication to absolutely change the world forever. If you put a permanent teleportation circle on Mars, most arguments about the difficulty of colonizing Mars go out the window.
except it is expensive to cast teleportation circle and as the rules stated, you are the only wizard in the world, no teaching other people how to wizard, so you would be the new mars taxi and you are the only means of going to mars (not an favourable thing), plus you would have to go to mars and live there, mostly alone, for an entire year, if you need medical treatment or something else there will be nobody else to help you, you will be alone in this endeavor or alone with some other people
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You could skip the brass dragon step and polymorph straight to the anarch, but that means less future versatility.
Simulacrum is not cheap, but unless we're into the billion dollar level money is essentially no object.
also if all you need is an loyal servant to be permanently affected by true polymoph, why not target your familiar from find familiar or an steed created by find steed? oh wait too low CR.
Anyways i am pretty shure that the dragon has to have seen an anarch to turn into them, and that you have to have seen an ancient brass dragon to use true polymorph to replicate it, and neither of those things are very likely
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My point is that you are someone who can literally break reality with your powers. We'll round up and say that it costs you a total of $55 million to make a Teleportation Circle. Getting that kind of money should not be a huge issue: with divination spells you could find everyone on the FBI's most wanted list without leaving your house. Detect Thoughts would make you virtually unbeatable at playing poker. Enchantments would have people literally giving you money- you could walk up to Jeff Bezos and ask him to spot you a couple billion. You could treat Fort Knox as your personal ATM. You could salvage ancient shipwrecks nobody else could reach (at least not if they want to make a profit) by using summoned creatures or shapeshifting. There's a lot of options.
This is a good point. Money isn't difficult to come by with all the spells you have.
I just think, personally, it's a bit much for something the Teleport spell could do better for free. A permanent teleport circle is just, basically, a location marker for teleporting. Once you have a permanent circle you can use the 5th level teleport circle to go there - but it will still cost you thousands every time you use it. While just having an object that has been at that location within the last 6 months and using Teleport spell will achieve the same result - without spending a penny, without needing an entire year of casting beforehand to make it work.
A permanent teleportation circle is of little personal benefit. The point of it is so you can give the sigils to another wizard to let them teleport in easily without needing to have gone there first. Given you're the only magic-user in the world, this seems pointless as nobody but you can use those sigils and you don't need to use them, yourself.
Even when you've set up the permanent circle - going home still requires 1 minute drawing symbols on the ground and $5,000 worth of gem-infused chalk. Dunno about you, but that seems silly when you can just use Teleport to get home in a few seconds for free and without needing a year and millions to set up.
The only exception is if you are going to be using a lot of your 7+ level spells for other things and still need to teleport around. But... How often is that going to be the case? I mean, if you earn that money why not instead live off the money somewhere nice and just use Teleport on those rare instances you need to?
Seriously, even if money was not an issue - what real benefit is there to using T-Circle instead of Teleport?
The only exception is if you are going to be using a lot of your 7+ level spells for other things and still need to teleport around. But... How often is that going to be the case? I mean, if you earn that money why not instead live off the money somewhere nice and just use Teleport on those rare instances you need to?
Seriously, even if money was not an issue - what real benefit is there to using T-Circle instead of Teleport?
I agree that there's essentially no personal benefit, but you're a 20th-level wizard; you don't need personal benefit. Teleportation circle can transport a lot more people than teleport. A network of simulacrum-operated teleportation circles would change the world (much for the better imo).
The only exception is if you are going to be using a lot of your 7+ level spells for other things and still need to teleport around. But... How often is that going to be the case? I mean, if you earn that money why not instead live off the money somewhere nice and just use Teleport on those rare instances you need to?
Seriously, even if money was not an issue - what real benefit is there to using T-Circle instead of Teleport?
I agree that there's essentially no personal benefit, but you're a 20th-level wizard; you don't need personal benefit. Teleportation circle can transport a lot more people than teleport. A network of simulacrum-operated teleportation circles would change the world (much for the better imo).
I dunno about a network of sims and casting. Seems like a lot of money. And you're not going to get that many people - it's only open 6 seconds. Maybe 12 people at most, if very organised. With teleport it's you plus 8 others.
Sims cost $150,000 each and you can only cast once. To have multiples you'd need to cast, then the Sim, then that sim and so on. We'll assume you will use Wish for the first one, so the first is free.
Your slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, 2x 7th, 1x 8th and 1x 9th. You use 9th to make Sim for free. That leaves you with 8 castings of T-Circle.
1st Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, 2x 7th, and 1x 8th They use 8th to make Sim at cost. That leaves it with 7 castings of T-Circle
2nd Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, and 2x 7th They use 1x 7th to make Sim at cost. That leaves it with 6 castings of T-Circle
3rd Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, and 1x 7th They use 1x 7th to make Sim at cost. That leaves it with 5 castings of T-Circle
4th Sim will have slots: 3x 5th and 2x 6th, Cannot make Sim That leaves it with 5 castings of T-Circle
1 free sim plus 3 at cost = $450,000 T-Circle Castings = 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 5 = 31 castings. 31 x $5,000 = $155,000 12 people teleported per cast = 372
That's $605,000 to transport 372 people every 2 days. Equivalent to $1,626.35 per person (rounded up). You will need at least one Teleport Circle in place - which can have costs and a year of time.
This could be a good elitist business but nowhere near enough to revolutionise anything.
And that's without the whole naivety of thinking everything will be fine and dandy on revealing your powers to the governments of the world.
Again, I'd rather make the millions discretely, have enough to live off for a very long time, and make a nice quiet place and enjoy my incredible powers in peace. It'll take a few months, tops, and won't cost me anything. Seems far more efficient. And, ya know, safe. There are governments who illegalise being gay and whole groups of people who kill each other over a bit of land or oil or culture. People kill and harm each other over stuff that's not worth it all the time. I don't really want those people finding out I could teleport a bomb to their doorstep (or that of their enemy's) because if they do, I'll never get a moment of peace again, nor will my family.
I think that's a huge underestimate of the number of people that can go through a teleportation circle. Put them on a bus or a train and drive it through at 60 mph.
That's not the efficient way to make simulacra. You make the first one the traditional way at full cost. After a long rest, so you have all your spell slots, have the simulacrum use it's wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new simulacrum use its wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new simulacrum use its wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new...
Also, if you true polymorph your simulacrum into the Githzerai anarch then it can cast teleportation circle once per day for free.
It probably is naive to think that, upon revealing yourself, everything would be okay, but that's why simulacra do all your work by proxy. Also keeping a clone on hand should alleviate almost all concern about governments or enemies or randos killing you.
While I appreciate the desire to live out one's days in peace and comfort, that's not unachievable without being a wizard. If I were a wizard, I would be doing things that only wizards can do.
I think the Teleportation Circles really only work for Large Government Operations if you are the only Wizard (Simulacrums aside). To that end, it would be trips to the Moon and Mars that would profit the most from this. Lord knows NASA would pay you out the yin-yang for access to them, and they'd STILL probably be under the current budget of shooting off rockets.
I would choose world domination but since this thread says no lets see? Definitley not work for the government, possible government tests are possible and id like to avoid those, besides other countries can and will most likely try to poach and/or kill me. shield only lasts so long. id most likely help people who are poor, like with teleportation circles and building free housing. I would probably then become 3x richer than elon musk by creating magical items and selling them to the government and making the USA OP. Then as I avidly fear emps and nukes, my next course of action would be magically improving the air defense system and finally help myself finally understand geometry. Im failing that class.
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I'd personally make a living either mass producing random products with Clone, or go around the globe and do magic tricks. I could probably make the best Uber driver in the world, since I could just teleport me and the car to wherever I need to be. Regardless, you could do anything because you have Wish, or realistically destroy continents with meteors. I probably wouldn't be doing much, and just be a bum and entertain myself.
I could probably make the best Uber driver in the world, since I could just teleport me and the car to wherever I need to be.
Using Teleportation Circle would not be effective - you'd need to make that circle, which would cost around $5,000, and have to immediately jump back into your car, then drive through the portal with great precision. You can also only go to previously made permanent circles - and with these taking 1-year and $1.8250,000 each to make - it's not worth it.
Teleport can teleport you + 8 people OR 1 object. You cannot teleport yourself plus the car. It's better for general travel but also has a risk if you're going somewhere you've not previously been to or are not familiar with. As in, one hiccup and you've killed all your passengers (as the mishap is 3d10 [average 15] damage and people will have an average 4 hit points and there's a chance to get multiple mishaps in a row). Then how do you advertise this service, which you can only do 4 times a day maximum, without alerting governments? They aren't going to be happy with somebody who can enter their countries illegally?
There's an option to go into a Demiplane then Wish-replicate Plane Shift (since the $2,500 planar-tuned forks won't exist). But that's once per day.
Mass travel isn't really a profitable thing you can do.
Regardless, you could do anything because you have Wish
Maybe but the 1/3 chance to never be able to cast it ever again would be very restrictive and you run the risk of many unforeseen consequences. You'd get more reliable mileage from Wish by sticking to just Spell Replication effect. Especially since, from the OP's post: "5) No Wish spell usage other than to use any 8th level or lower spell. "
Meteor Swarm covers an area of 4x 40 ft radius circles. It can devastate a small town or destroy a village. It will do nothing of consequence to a continent, especially with the limit of only 1 per day and you will not last long with the attention you'd get.
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also if all you need is an loyal servant to be permanently affected by true polymoph, why not target your familiar from find familiar or an steed created by find steed? oh wait too low CR.
Anyways i am pretty shure that the dragon has to have seen an anarch to turn into them, and that you have to have seen an ancient brass dragon to use true polymorph to replicate it, and neither of those things are very likely
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This is a good point. Money isn't difficult to come by with all the spells you have.
I just think, personally, it's a bit much for something the Teleport spell could do better for free. A permanent teleport circle is just, basically, a location marker for teleporting. Once you have a permanent circle you can use the 5th level teleport circle to go there - but it will still cost you thousands every time you use it. While just having an object that has been at that location within the last 6 months and using Teleport spell will achieve the same result - without spending a penny, without needing an entire year of casting beforehand to make it work.
A permanent teleportation circle is of little personal benefit. The point of it is so you can give the sigils to another wizard to let them teleport in easily without needing to have gone there first. Given you're the only magic-user in the world, this seems pointless as nobody but you can use those sigils and you don't need to use them, yourself.
Even when you've set up the permanent circle - going home still requires 1 minute drawing symbols on the ground and $5,000 worth of gem-infused chalk. Dunno about you, but that seems silly when you can just use Teleport to get home in a few seconds for free and without needing a year and millions to set up.
The only exception is if you are going to be using a lot of your 7+ level spells for other things and still need to teleport around. But... How often is that going to be the case? I mean, if you earn that money why not instead live off the money somewhere nice and just use Teleport on those rare instances you need to?
Seriously, even if money was not an issue - what real benefit is there to using T-Circle instead of Teleport?
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I agree that there's essentially no personal benefit, but you're a 20th-level wizard; you don't need personal benefit. Teleportation circle can transport a lot more people than teleport. A network of simulacrum-operated teleportation circles would change the world (much for the better imo).
I dunno about a network of sims and casting. Seems like a lot of money. And you're not going to get that many people - it's only open 6 seconds. Maybe 12 people at most, if very organised. With teleport it's you plus 8 others.
Sims cost $150,000 each and you can only cast once. To have multiples you'd need to cast, then the Sim, then that sim and so on. We'll assume you will use Wish for the first one, so the first is free.
Your slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, 2x 7th, 1x 8th and 1x 9th.
You use 9th to make Sim for free.
That leaves you with 8 castings of T-Circle.
1st Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, 2x 7th, and 1x 8th
They use 8th to make Sim at cost.
That leaves it with 7 castings of T-Circle
2nd Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, and 2x 7th
They use 1x 7th to make Sim at cost.
That leaves it with 6 castings of T-Circle
3rd Sim will have slots: 3x 5th, 2x 6th, and 1x 7th
They use 1x 7th to make Sim at cost.
That leaves it with 5 castings of T-Circle
4th Sim will have slots: 3x 5th and 2x 6th,
Cannot make Sim
That leaves it with 5 castings of T-Circle
1 free sim plus 3 at cost = $450,000
T-Circle Castings = 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 5 = 31 castings.
31 x $5,000 = $155,000
12 people teleported per cast = 372
That's $605,000 to transport 372 people every 2 days. Equivalent to $1,626.35 per person (rounded up). You will need at least one Teleport Circle in place - which can have costs and a year of time.
This could be a good elitist business but nowhere near enough to revolutionise anything.
And that's without the whole naivety of thinking everything will be fine and dandy on revealing your powers to the governments of the world.
Again, I'd rather make the millions discretely, have enough to live off for a very long time, and make a nice quiet place and enjoy my incredible powers in peace. It'll take a few months, tops, and won't cost me anything. Seems far more efficient. And, ya know, safe. There are governments who illegalise being gay and whole groups of people who kill each other over a bit of land or oil or culture. People kill and harm each other over stuff that's not worth it all the time. I don't really want those people finding out I could teleport a bomb to their doorstep (or that of their enemy's) because if they do, I'll never get a moment of peace again, nor will my family.
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I think that's a huge underestimate of the number of people that can go through a teleportation circle. Put them on a bus or a train and drive it through at 60 mph.
That's not the efficient way to make simulacra. You make the first one the traditional way at full cost. After a long rest, so you have all your spell slots, have the simulacrum use it's wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new simulacrum use its wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new simulacrum use its wish to make a simulacrum of you. Then have the new...
Also, if you true polymorph your simulacrum into the Githzerai anarch then it can cast teleportation circle once per day for free.
It probably is naive to think that, upon revealing yourself, everything would be okay, but that's why simulacra do all your work by proxy. Also keeping a clone on hand should alleviate almost all concern about governments or enemies or randos killing you.
While I appreciate the desire to live out one's days in peace and comfort, that's not unachievable without being a wizard. If I were a wizard, I would be doing things that only wizards can do.
I think the Teleportation Circles really only work for Large Government Operations if you are the only Wizard (Simulacrums aside). To that end, it would be trips to the Moon and Mars that would profit the most from this. Lord knows NASA would pay you out the yin-yang for access to them, and they'd STILL probably be under the current budget of shooting off rockets.
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I'd personally make a living either mass producing random products with Clone, or go around the globe and do magic tricks. I could probably make the best Uber driver in the world, since I could just teleport me and the car to wherever I need to be. Regardless, you could do anything because you have Wish, or realistically destroy continents with meteors. I probably wouldn't be doing much, and just be a bum and entertain myself.
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That isn't how Clone works. Did you mean Fabricate?
Using Teleportation Circle would not be effective - you'd need to make that circle, which would cost around $5,000, and have to immediately jump back into your car, then drive through the portal with great precision. You can also only go to previously made permanent circles - and with these taking 1-year and $1.8250,000 each to make - it's not worth it.
Teleport can teleport you + 8 people OR 1 object. You cannot teleport yourself plus the car. It's better for general travel but also has a risk if you're going somewhere you've not previously been to or are not familiar with. As in, one hiccup and you've killed all your passengers (as the mishap is 3d10 [average 15] damage and people will have an average 4 hit points and there's a chance to get multiple mishaps in a row). Then how do you advertise this service, which you can only do 4 times a day maximum, without alerting governments? They aren't going to be happy with somebody who can enter their countries illegally?
There's an option to go into a Demiplane then Wish-replicate Plane Shift (since the $2,500 planar-tuned forks won't exist). But that's once per day.
Mass travel isn't really a profitable thing you can do.
Maybe but the 1/3 chance to never be able to cast it ever again would be very restrictive and you run the risk of many unforeseen consequences. You'd get more reliable mileage from Wish by sticking to just Spell Replication effect. Especially since, from the OP's post: "5) No Wish spell usage other than to use any 8th level or lower spell. "
Meteor Swarm covers an area of 4x 40 ft radius circles. It can devastate a small town or destroy a village. It will do nothing of consequence to a continent, especially with the limit of only 1 per day and you will not last long with the attention you'd get.
Same. Although I'd not be a bum. I'd just experiment with Divination spell to see if I can get lottery numbers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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