Can any of you cancel your subscriptions right now? I keep getting redirected to the subscribe page when I try to go to management, and the option is not available on the app at the moment.
Yes, go to your account settings, then Manage Subscription, then hit the hyperlink at the bottom that says Cancel My Subscription or somesuch.
Huh, when I did it on desktop I clicked on Subscribe.
This took me to the Subscription Management screen, but I was no longer logged in so I had to log in again.
Then I didn't see the option, so had to scroll down to the FAQ and choose the option for managing the account.
Then it took me to a screen with the option to Unsubscribe.
So additional login step, option is hidden through a link in the FAQ. Not very user friendly.
As for the announcement, it was insulting and petty and was a bunch of lies about intent while only slightly reducing the horrible parts without getting rid of them altogether. They should be ashamed.
Yeah, my steps may have been wrong, but I found it through a menu in my profile tabs.
I think concerns from WotC about abuse of dnd content and NFTs are legitimate, but I do think that the concern about under-monetization was the primary concern rather than the tertiary one. I think the statement is truthful, but perhaps downplays the company's priorities in changing the OGL.
Many authors and publishers made content together under the assumption that their campaigns, books and other contributions to the game were safely theirs. Realizing that the license to create derivative content could be revoked or altered unilaterally and legally used to sell their work without sharing revenue to the authors - that the OGL was not permenantly open and could be abused even if Hasbro/WotC had no intention of doing so at the moment- was a wake-up call that their work needed to be protected with another license.
I don't personally write any content for sale, and while the statement that OGL revisions will continue to protect any homebrew non-commercial stuff I write is nice, I have unsubscribed and will look into alternative TTRPG options until this plays out and I can see the final license. Making a new license that protects derivative work like campaigns or stories using the system/races/world irrevocable is needed for a TTRPG going forward to give a peace of mind that we won't be sued for storytelling or playing in the future. A TTRPG is not like most ip - the whole point of a rulebook and system is to empower original stories. We thought we had an open license to game and to create, but were shown that that license could be revoked or altered even retroactively. There is likely no one working for WotC or Hasbro that ever intended to go after players for making original non-commercial content - but knowing now that we could face legal action if that ever changes is unnerving. I will in all likelihood resubscribe and continue playing dnd if the final OGL revisions or outcome assuages the fear that a future Hasbro/WotC management team could decide to declare any use of dnd elements to be copyright infringement retroactively, which would perhaps be best assuaged by an irrevocable license to write non-commercially in the world of dnd.
The treatment of those making commercial content was also souring in the draft document that leaked, with language that would allow WotC to reuse created content commercially without consent of the authors and royalties based on revenue instead of profits potentially hurting larger teams that weren't making money. While I understand a desire for reciprocity in profit-sharing (if WotC releases a sourcebook and lets other profit off it by creating derivative works, than WotC should also see some profit if derivative work sells well), control of the content is a bigger issue for me (OGL licensed companies cannot release and sell a WotC sourcebook cutting WotC out of the process, but the language of the draft suggested WotC could turn around and resell a derivative work without consulting or paying the author and demanded a perpetual irrevocable license to do so). The time frame of 3 days to understand the legal implications and agree to the license, ability of WotC to unilaterally change the license at any time, plus the requirement for much smaller creators to agree and report revenue led to smaller creators worrying that the $750,000 revenue requirement for royalties could be reduced to any number at any time while also creating an undue burden of revenue reporting on those breaking even on selling campaigns. For corporations of any size, I can't see why the revised OGL would be agreeable.
Just signed up with Paizo after cancelling my subs with DDB, and bought Pathfinder, I'll be converting my campaigns as soon as I've learned the pathfinder system.
So another FAQ to creators has been released and it demonstrates that this statement is absolute garbage. First two points in it are...
1) They are deauthorizing and revoking the 1.0a license which means not only screwing over everyone who ever used it, but also meaning that whatever the hell 2.0 says-- it's not worth shit since they have decided they can just randomly change the terms whenever they like, whenever the whim hits them to change the terms of an agreement. They are out-and-out declaring themselves to be completely untrustworthy and then demanding people sign an agreement with them.
2) This statement claims that they don't intend to steal people's creations, but their own FAQ clearly states that they absolutely intend to keep the provision of "You agree to give Us a nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, sub-licensable, royalty-fre license to use that content for any purpose." So-- yes-- they absolutely intend to steal from and rub out any creator who continues to produce content under this license. The statement on this website is an out-and-out lie-- or at least likely to be because apparently the various employees at WotC are not talking to each other and simultaneously releasing directly contradictory statements.
Also-- please stfu about NFT or Blockchain shit in regards to D&D. You are a year late in worrying about that and every NFT and blockchain cryptocurrency garbage has tanked. If anyone was going to try leveraging D&D for that-- they already would have and it would be over already.
I'm very, very torn. Honestly it said everything I needed to hear to bring me back. Honestly, I'm 100% on board with the first half, it matches what I believe and would have me back on board.
And I believe that it's true from the awesome folk at dnd and beyond, who live this hobby and just had to swallow what management demanded.
But...
But then they had to start taking about how it was just a draft, and how they were always going to ask for feedback. That's just not true and it makes me doubt everything else.
I most likely will still play DnD since I've been playing all of my adult life but WOtC has ruined this wonderful community with their greed and complete incompetence. Today's announcement is far too little far too late.
They claimed they were looking for feedback but banned any discussion of the OGL on the discord. All that tells me is they think were stupid. Legal professionals don't accidentally give the companies they work for supreme license to other peoples IP. It's there by request and they know exactly what it means, and exactly what it does, legally. Anyone who buys the line that it "never crossed their minds" ought to buy a bridge with that D&D Beyond subscription while their at it. NONE of what was in that LEGAL CONTRACT was there by mistake.
I will not purchase anything made by WotC in the future, regardless of what they decide to do next. The mask has slipped and they're the BBEG.
I'm done with D&D. If Wizards wants to salvage this they should put their money where their mouth is and join the ORC. They won't do that though because their commitment to openness is just an illusion.
How do they get to call the leaked OGL 1.1 version a draft? It had executable contracts attached to it that they tried to get people to sign. Kickstarter did sign the contract.
That OGL statement is filled with Lies and sarcasm as they attempt to appease the masses. I want to see the resignation of the entire upper management at WOTC and whomever is the liaison from Hasbro for even trying to pull this BS.
At the end of the day, they killed the OGL & their Brand because they've lost the trust of the 3rd party publishers. Those 3rd party publishers raised the Brand to the status that it enjoys today and now they can never trust it again. I look forward to what the competition brings to the table in the coming months/years. Strife breeds innovation, It's now time to level up our community.
Well said,
as an Evil DM I know when I see lies even every false line, they say...
I was excited for OneDnD and seeing how the future of DnD was gonna go.
I also wasn't expecting to hear what sounded like a 14 year old writing about how they 'actually won nuh uh' on a blog post talking about a matter close to the community. What a joke.
the response was weak and something our HR or Marketing department would write , its all about the firefighting for them now , one problem to the next .
Why the heck did they need to add that comment at the end of their response about winning as well? Who in WOTC has so much of an ego as to feel like they needed to make that comment to further antagonize ALL of their faithful content creators and fans further? Are we in a competition with each other where one wins and one loses? This entire Fiasco is a loss for everyone, not a win. DND VTT and One D&D could have been such an amazingly great thing for the community. Now, how does anyone expect any DM in the know, to adopt such a thing?
They say all the things needed for an apology, and this comment at the end about them winning too, just makes everything that was said prior sound like lip service. Are they so out of touch with their community and not realize how enraged we are? And then they have the audacity to try claiming any sort of a "win" from all of this?
With their attitude towards us, I don't see hope for them fixing any of the animosity they've garnered from this absolute trainwreck of an OGL situation. I was trying to remain hopeful. Instead, I'm feeling so disappointed and sickened by their greed, their insincerity, their disrespect, and now feel antagonized by them to the point where I feel like I do need to fight back. Do I want them to get a "win" as well? Well... I wasn't thinking about it until them mentioned it, and now that I think about it... no... I really don't want them to get that win now!
What a terrible situation for all D&D enthusiasts =(
That statement to me just screams corporate PR speech. It's full of excuses and outright lies, and has big "I'm sorry you were offended" energy. It's bad enough that all it's done for me is just riled me up again. I don't trust them, their excuses are laughable ("We never even thought about it, we swear" and "We love feedback, please ignore the fact that all the info about the licensing changes came through leaks and we never officially asked for feedback at all"), and while them dropping some of the proposed changes to the OGL is a good start, this statement doesn't touch upon some of the big issues (ie can they still change it at will? If that's the case, what's to stop them slowly implementing the changes they wanted when the outrage dies down?).
If I hadn't already cancelled my subscription, this 100% would have made me do it. I don't need WotC to enjoy TTRPGs, and neither do you.
... I just feel sorry for the creative staff with genuine passion for the game who are getting caught up in all this mess. This whole situation reeks of executive meddling, and I don't blame the staff at WotC for any of this. I hope they can manage to weather the storm well enough, or get out and move onto better things where their creativity and passion will be properly appreciated.
In the D&D community you are as popular as Judas Iscariot at a Disciples' reunion. You can thank your so-called OGL for that as well as your self-serving, projecting, joke of a response, blaming everybody but yourselves for it. The documents you sent to third party creators were not drafts. They were fully prepared documents with NDA's with the only option being to sign within a week or lose their ability to produce content for the game. You decided your best option was to gaslight us. I have canceled by D&D subscription, as have many others. It is extremely unlikely you will get any more money from me, short of an about face that would make Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus look like a game of hopscotch. At present, your chances of rebuilding the trust you have utterly eradicated are about those of a snowball in a supernova.
This is, by far, the best reply in this thread that I've read, and I agree wholeheartedly.
~"Until we meet again..." -Elminster the Mage
Yeah, my steps may have been wrong, but I found it through a menu in my profile tabs.
Either way, #cancelthesub
~"Until we meet again..." -Elminster the Mage
I think concerns from WotC about abuse of dnd content and NFTs are legitimate, but I do think that the concern about under-monetization was the primary concern rather than the tertiary one. I think the statement is truthful, but perhaps downplays the company's priorities in changing the OGL.
Many authors and publishers made content together under the assumption that their campaigns, books and other contributions to the game were safely theirs. Realizing that the license to create derivative content could be revoked or altered unilaterally and legally used to sell their work without sharing revenue to the authors - that the OGL was not permenantly open and could be abused even if Hasbro/WotC had no intention of doing so at the moment- was a wake-up call that their work needed to be protected with another license.
I don't personally write any content for sale, and while the statement that OGL revisions will continue to protect any homebrew non-commercial stuff I write is nice, I have unsubscribed and will look into alternative TTRPG options until this plays out and I can see the final license. Making a new license that protects derivative work like campaigns or stories using the system/races/world irrevocable is needed for a TTRPG going forward to give a peace of mind that we won't be sued for storytelling or playing in the future. A TTRPG is not like most ip - the whole point of a rulebook and system is to empower original stories. We thought we had an open license to game and to create, but were shown that that license could be revoked or altered even retroactively. There is likely no one working for WotC or Hasbro that ever intended to go after players for making original non-commercial content - but knowing now that we could face legal action if that ever changes is unnerving. I will in all likelihood resubscribe and continue playing dnd if the final OGL revisions or outcome assuages the fear that a future Hasbro/WotC management team could decide to declare any use of dnd elements to be copyright infringement retroactively, which would perhaps be best assuaged by an irrevocable license to write non-commercially in the world of dnd.
The treatment of those making commercial content was also souring in the draft document that leaked, with language that would allow WotC to reuse created content commercially without consent of the authors and royalties based on revenue instead of profits potentially hurting larger teams that weren't making money. While I understand a desire for reciprocity in profit-sharing (if WotC releases a sourcebook and lets other profit off it by creating derivative works, than WotC should also see some profit if derivative work sells well), control of the content is a bigger issue for me (OGL licensed companies cannot release and sell a WotC sourcebook cutting WotC out of the process, but the language of the draft suggested WotC could turn around and resell a derivative work without consulting or paying the author and demanded a perpetual irrevocable license to do so). The time frame of 3 days to understand the legal implications and agree to the license, ability of WotC to unilaterally change the license at any time, plus the requirement for much smaller creators to agree and report revenue led to smaller creators worrying that the $750,000 revenue requirement for royalties could be reduced to any number at any time while also creating an undue burden of revenue reporting on those breaking even on selling campaigns. For corporations of any size, I can't see why the revised OGL would be agreeable.
Just signed up with Paizo after cancelling my subs with DDB, and bought Pathfinder, I'll be converting my campaigns as soon as I've learned the pathfinder system.
So another FAQ to creators has been released and it demonstrates that this statement is absolute garbage. First two points in it are...
1) They are deauthorizing and revoking the 1.0a license which means not only screwing over everyone who ever used it, but also meaning that whatever the hell 2.0 says-- it's not worth shit since they have decided they can just randomly change the terms whenever they like, whenever the whim hits them to change the terms of an agreement. They are out-and-out declaring themselves to be completely untrustworthy and then demanding people sign an agreement with them.
2) This statement claims that they don't intend to steal people's creations, but their own FAQ clearly states that they absolutely intend to keep the provision of "You agree to give Us a nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, sub-licensable, royalty-fre license to use that content for any purpose." So-- yes-- they absolutely intend to steal from and rub out any creator who continues to produce content under this license. The statement on this website is an out-and-out lie-- or at least likely to be because apparently the various employees at WotC are not talking to each other and simultaneously releasing directly contradictory statements.
Also-- please stfu about NFT or Blockchain shit in regards to D&D. You are a year late in worrying about that and every NFT and blockchain cryptocurrency garbage has tanked. If anyone was going to try leveraging D&D for that-- they already would have and it would be over already.
Remember they said they won also lol
Garbage
I'm very, very torn. Honestly it said everything I needed to hear to bring me back. Honestly, I'm 100% on board with the first half, it matches what I believe and would have me back on board.
And I believe that it's true from the awesome folk at dnd and beyond, who live this hobby and just had to swallow what management demanded.
But...
But then they had to start taking about how it was just a draft, and how they were always going to ask for feedback. That's just not true and it makes me doubt everything else.
I Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription January 12th 2023 because of "OGL" 1.1 - Resubscribed 28th of Jan, now the SRD is in CC-BY-4.0
I most likely will still play DnD since I've been playing all of my adult life but WOtC has ruined this wonderful community with their greed and complete incompetence. Today's announcement is far too little far too late.
:)
They claimed they were looking for feedback but banned any discussion of the OGL on the discord. All that tells me is they think were stupid. Legal professionals don't accidentally give the companies they work for supreme license to other peoples IP. It's there by request and they know exactly what it means, and exactly what it does, legally. Anyone who buys the line that it "never crossed their minds" ought to buy a bridge with that D&D Beyond subscription while their at it. NONE of what was in that LEGAL CONTRACT was there by mistake.
I will not purchase anything made by WotC in the future, regardless of what they decide to do next. The mask has slipped and they're the BBEG.
I'm done with D&D. If Wizards wants to salvage this they should put their money where their mouth is and join the ORC. They won't do that though because their commitment to openness is just an illusion.
sounds like a pack of lies trying to cover their asses until things blow over
You don't send out drafts with contracts
Unsubscribe, its the only way they will pay attention
The post by the staff is probably not actually the opinion of the staff. It was probably prepared by Hasbro corporate HR to be sent out.
Hasbro/WotC are using DDB to distribute their messaging because DDB still has some community goodwill.
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I want to believe they will fix it... Until they do, I'm unsubed.
I Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription January 12th 2023 because of "OGL" 1.1 - Resubscribed 28th of Jan, now the SRD is in CC-BY-4.0
Well said,
as an Evil DM I know when I see lies even every false line, they say...
Peace be with you friend.
I was excited for OneDnD and seeing how the future of DnD was gonna go.
I also wasn't expecting to hear what sounded like a 14 year old writing about how they 'actually won nuh uh' on a blog post talking about a matter close to the community. What a joke.
It sounds like a load of lies and spin to me, but with the promise of an OGL 2.0 that’s less shitty than 1.1 would have been. We’ll see. 🤨
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the response was weak and something our HR or Marketing department would write , its all about the firefighting for them now , one problem to the next .
Why the heck did they need to add that comment at the end of their response about winning as well? Who in WOTC has so much of an ego as to feel like they needed to make that comment to further antagonize ALL of their faithful content creators and fans further? Are we in a competition with each other where one wins and one loses? This entire Fiasco is a loss for everyone, not a win. DND VTT and One D&D could have been such an amazingly great thing for the community. Now, how does anyone expect any DM in the know, to adopt such a thing?
They say all the things needed for an apology, and this comment at the end about them winning too, just makes everything that was said prior sound like lip service. Are they so out of touch with their community and not realize how enraged we are? And then they have the audacity to try claiming any sort of a "win" from all of this?
With their attitude towards us, I don't see hope for them fixing any of the animosity they've garnered from this absolute trainwreck of an OGL situation. I was trying to remain hopeful. Instead, I'm feeling so disappointed and sickened by their greed, their insincerity, their disrespect, and now feel antagonized by them to the point where I feel like I do need to fight back. Do I want them to get a "win" as well? Well... I wasn't thinking about it until them mentioned it, and now that I think about it... no... I really don't want them to get that win now!
What a terrible situation for all D&D enthusiasts =(
That statement to me just screams corporate PR speech. It's full of excuses and outright lies, and has big "I'm sorry you were offended" energy. It's bad enough that all it's done for me is just riled me up again. I don't trust them, their excuses are laughable ("We never even thought about it, we swear" and "We love feedback, please ignore the fact that all the info about the licensing changes came through leaks and we never officially asked for feedback at all"), and while them dropping some of the proposed changes to the OGL is a good start, this statement doesn't touch upon some of the big issues (ie can they still change it at will? If that's the case, what's to stop them slowly implementing the changes they wanted when the outrage dies down?).
If I hadn't already cancelled my subscription, this 100% would have made me do it. I don't need WotC to enjoy TTRPGs, and neither do you.
... I just feel sorry for the creative staff with genuine passion for the game who are getting caught up in all this mess. This whole situation reeks of executive meddling, and I don't blame the staff at WotC for any of this. I hope they can manage to weather the storm well enough, or get out and move onto better things where their creativity and passion will be properly appreciated.
Dear WotC/Hasbro,
In the D&D community you are as popular as Judas Iscariot at a Disciples' reunion. You can thank your so-called OGL for that as well as your self-serving, projecting, joke of a response, blaming everybody but yourselves for it. The documents you sent to third party creators were not drafts. They were fully prepared documents with NDA's with the only option being to sign within a week or lose their ability to produce content for the game. You decided your best option was to gaslight us. I have canceled by D&D subscription, as have many others. It is extremely unlikely you will get any more money from me, short of an about face that would make Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus look like a game of hopscotch. At present, your chances of rebuilding the trust you have utterly eradicated are about those of a snowball in a supernova.
A Dissatisfied, Irate Customer
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