It's on the list, and they expect to be working on it shortly. Once development work begins on it, we don't know how long it will take. We do know they've thought out how they want to implement it. Official sources will be turned on ("whitelisted") by default, but you will be able to turn off sources or options you don't want shared; unofficial sources (UA, Critical Role, maybe homebrew?) will be turned off ("blacklisted") by default, but you can turn them on as you choose.
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Why do you hate colourblind people?
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"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Why do you hate colourblind people?
If I did, it would mean I hate my own brother, which I don't. In his case, thought he can tell red lights and green lights apart, but he can't tell red lights and yellow lights apart, except by position on the traffic light. Which might be why it didn't even cross my mind. Even so, while I get your point, it doesn't rise to the level of the white/black issue for me. Red and Green in and of themselves don't have a wider ethical good/bad connotation, they aren't terms used to describe people (well, red has been at times, but never in combo/contrast to green that I know of), and they don't have connections to a long, difficult history with racism or other prejudice. Most colorblind people who live in countries that use red and green traffic lights would know what the two colors mean in the context, even if they can't tell the difference between them, so I don't think that using those terms means they wouldn't understand them, if that's what you meant. But I'm hardly wedded to the term, just trying to brainstorm other options that aren't so potentially fraught.
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Why do you hate colourblind people?
If I did, it would mean I hate my own brother, which I don't. In his case, thought he can tell red lights and green lights apart, but he can't tell red lights and yellow lights apart, except by position on the traffic light. Which might be why it didn't even cross my mind. Even so, while I get your point, it doesn't rise to the level of the white/black issue for me. Red and Green in and of themselves don't have a wider ethical good/bad connotation, they aren't terms used to describe people (well, red has been at times, but never in combo/contrast to green that I know of), and they don't have connections to a long, difficult history with racism or other prejudice. Most colorblind people who live in countries that use red and green traffic lights would know what the two colors mean in the context, even if they can't tell the difference between them, so I don't think that using those terms means they wouldn't understand them, if that's what you meant. But I'm hardly wedded to the term, just trying to brainstorm other options that aren't so potentially fraught.
I can't really speak for them, but I'm fairly certain that was in jest.
On topic, I doubt DNDB will use whitelist and blacklist for the released feature, those are technical/development terms.
Now can we please keep your American racial politics out of my safe space.
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Why do you hate colourblind people?
If I did, it would mean I hate my own brother, which I don't. In his case, thought he can tell red lights and green lights apart, but he can't tell red lights and yellow lights apart, except by position on the traffic light. Which might be why it didn't even cross my mind. Even so, while I get your point, it doesn't rise to the level of the white/black issue for me. Red and Green in and of themselves don't have a wider ethical good/bad connotation, they aren't terms used to describe people (well, red has been at times, but never in combo/contrast to green that I know of), and they don't have connections to a long, difficult history with racism or other prejudice. Most colorblind people who live in countries that use red and green traffic lights would know what the two colors mean in the context, even if they can't tell the difference between them, so I don't think that using those terms means they wouldn't understand them, if that's what you meant. But I'm hardly wedded to the term, just trying to brainstorm other options that aren't so potentially fraught.
I can't really speak for them, but I'm fairly certain that was in jest.
On topic, I doubt DNDB will use whitelist and blacklist for the released feature, those are technical/development terms.
Now can we please keep your American racial politics out of my safe space.
In terms of the justing, I am too, but couldn't figure out a good way to indicate that without inadvertently being dismissive if it wasn't in jest. And, as the sister of someone who is colorblind, I'm at least sometimes aware that those of us who aren't often make assumptions/use conventions that are experienced very differently by those who are colorblind.
The issue of language is not so much a matter of American politics for me as it is a matter of a strong belief on my part (partially related in my faith) that part of treating others as we want to be treated is refraining from language that offends others* or that is linked to things like racism, even if that is not the intent of the person using the language. That said: 1) I recognize that while racism happens world wide, the dynamics of white/black language and racism in the US has unique elements not present elsewhere; 2) I was careful to speak in terms of what I hope and what I believe, without saying what "should" happen or criticizing those who feel differently; 3) For me, part of being a "safe space" is the permission to say what one believes and hopes (so long as statements do not attack or dismiss others).
*This is an oversimplification for me, with a great deal of nuance and complexity; currently I don't have time to say more about that, but I'm willing to later if that would be helpful.
Any words can offend, it's the intend that matters. There's a reason offence is taken, not dealt. I don't see any malicious intend behind DNDB's usage of the terms and the terms don't have a racial origin. As I said they probably won't use these terms for the released feature anyway, because it's mostly technical/developer terms. But if you really feel this strongly about DNDB not using the terms, I suggest you e-mail or otherwise privately message them, so you can be sure they have this feedback and also because these subjects never end well online.
I just signed up for the Master level subscription, and it never even occurred to me that I would not be able to selectively enable/disable sharing for specific volumes! Please, this is an important fix.
I really don't understand this logic. Firstly, if you don't trust your players, why are you playing with them? Secondly, if someone is going to cheat, you do realise that there are plenty of other ways of doing it, right? I mean, flipping a toggle here won't stop them.
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"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
I trust my players but there’s just no reason to dangle forbidden knowledge right in front of their eyes, in very same place they go to access the PHB, etc. You might have the most well-trained, best-behaved dog in the world, but it would still be a bad idea to place a rotisserie chicken in their bowl and leave the room and expect them not to eat it.
You might have the most well-trained, best-behaved dog in the world, but it would still be a bad idea to place a rotisserie chicken in their bowl and leave the room and expect them not to eat it.
I guess I just don't think of the players as dogs...
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"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
I really don't understand this logic. Firstly, if you don't trust your players, why are you playing with them? Secondly, if someone is going to cheat, you do realise that there are plenty of other ways of doing it, right? I mean, flipping a toggle here won't stop them.
The people I play with are my friends. I trust them in many different ways. I have a long term gaming group that I joined a while back and recently took over as DM starting a new campaign running the group's first published adventure as LMOP, using DDB for character creation. As we were about to start play, I found out that one of the players had read through the adventure using the content sharing feature on DDB, and later I found out another had read it as well. These are my friends and my regular gaming group. I'm not going to stop playing with them because they didn't resist the temptation to read ahead an adventure that was made readily available to them.
Since I've done all the prep work for LMOP, I am starting another group to run through it as well with mostly new players including my wife and her business partner and also using DDB for character creation. I shared the campaign link with only one player so far, didn't say anything about the adventure, and when I talked to him yesterday I found out he had read parts of the adventure using the content sharing feature while looking through the other source books. These are some of my closest friends, and people I've wanted to play D&D with for some time.
In both cases, none of the players would have read the adventures if it wasn't right in front of their face. Flipping a toggle here would absolutely stop them. They aren't people I consider cheaters. Just curious about the adventure, and lacked willpower.
You might have the most well-trained, best-behaved dog in the world, but it would still be a bad idea to place a rotisserie chicken in their bowl and leave the room and expect them not to eat it.
I guess I just don't think of the players as dogs...
A better analogy might be going to your gaming group to start a new campaign, handing over a physical pile of source books to your players, telling them these are the books they should use for preparing their character, and including in that pile the adventure you are planning to run. You wouldn't do that, right?
It's not about trusting the players. It's about a DM having the options available in the system to appropriately run the game they choose to run. Selecting which resources are available to the players based on their particular situation is a very basic request of Beyond and should have been in place since the very beginning.
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I don't think of my players as dogs, but there's almost always that one guy who has the adventure-game mentality of looking up "cheats" to optimize a "win." It's a drag because it takes away the opportunity for the other players to solve the puzzles after the initial frustration, which is a feature, not a bug, of puzzle-solving. A lot of the pleasure of Tomb of Annihilation, for example, comes from puzzle-solving.
I look forward to buying more campaign content on this platform when this feature exists.
Throwing my hat into this ring of folks waiting for this feature. It sounds like it has been on the roadmap for over a year now but still no news of an expected timeline. This is a constant source of annoyance whenever my group of players levels up. Any news?
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Safe to assume this hasn’t been addressed yet? Seems like a no brainer.
It's on the list, and they expect to be working on it shortly. Once development work begins on it, we don't know how long it will take. We do know they've thought out how they want to implement it. Official sources will be turned on ("whitelisted") by default, but you will be able to turn off sources or options you don't want shared; unofficial sources (UA, Critical Role, maybe homebrew?) will be turned off ("blacklisted") by default, but you can turn them on as you choose.
Personally I wish they would find different terminology than whitelisted/blacklisted, as I feel those terms (usually inadvertently) play into racial tensions/issues in the US. Maybe greenlight/redlight?
Trying to Decide if DDB is for you? A few helpful threads: A Buyer's Guide to DDB; What I/We Bought and Why; How some DMs use DDB; A Newer Thread on Using DDB to Play
Helpful threads on other topics: Homebrew FAQ by IamSposta; Accessing Content by ConalTheGreat;
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Why do you hate colourblind people?
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
― Oscar Wilde.
If I did, it would mean I hate my own brother, which I don't. In his case, thought he can tell red lights and green lights apart, but he can't tell red lights and yellow lights apart, except by position on the traffic light. Which might be why it didn't even cross my mind. Even so, while I get your point, it doesn't rise to the level of the white/black issue for me. Red and Green in and of themselves don't have a wider ethical good/bad connotation, they aren't terms used to describe people (well, red has been at times, but never in combo/contrast to green that I know of), and they don't have connections to a long, difficult history with racism or other prejudice. Most colorblind people who live in countries that use red and green traffic lights would know what the two colors mean in the context, even if they can't tell the difference between them, so I don't think that using those terms means they wouldn't understand them, if that's what you meant. But I'm hardly wedded to the term, just trying to brainstorm other options that aren't so potentially fraught.
Trying to Decide if DDB is for you? A few helpful threads: A Buyer's Guide to DDB; What I/We Bought and Why; How some DMs use DDB; A Newer Thread on Using DDB to Play
Helpful threads on other topics: Homebrew FAQ by IamSposta; Accessing Content by ConalTheGreat;
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I can't really speak for them, but I'm fairly certain that was in jest.
On topic, I doubt DNDB will use whitelist and blacklist for the released feature, those are technical/development terms.
Now can we please keep your American racial politics out of my safe space.
In terms of the justing, I am too, but couldn't figure out a good way to indicate that without inadvertently being dismissive if it wasn't in jest. And, as the sister of someone who is colorblind, I'm at least sometimes aware that those of us who aren't often make assumptions/use conventions that are experienced very differently by those who are colorblind.
The issue of language is not so much a matter of American politics for me as it is a matter of a strong belief on my part (partially related in my faith) that part of treating others as we want to be treated is refraining from language that offends others* or that is linked to things like racism, even if that is not the intent of the person using the language. That said: 1) I recognize that while racism happens world wide, the dynamics of white/black language and racism in the US has unique elements not present elsewhere; 2) I was careful to speak in terms of what I hope and what I believe, without saying what "should" happen or criticizing those who feel differently; 3) For me, part of being a "safe space" is the permission to say what one believes and hopes (so long as statements do not attack or dismiss others).
*This is an oversimplification for me, with a great deal of nuance and complexity; currently I don't have time to say more about that, but I'm willing to later if that would be helpful.
Trying to Decide if DDB is for you? A few helpful threads: A Buyer's Guide to DDB; What I/We Bought and Why; How some DMs use DDB; A Newer Thread on Using DDB to Play
Helpful threads on other topics: Homebrew FAQ by IamSposta; Accessing Content by ConalTheGreat;
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Any words can offend, it's the intend that matters. There's a reason offence is taken, not dealt. I don't see any malicious intend behind DNDB's usage of the terms and the terms don't have a racial origin. As I said they probably won't use these terms for the released feature anyway, because it's mostly technical/developer terms. But if you really feel this strongly about DNDB not using the terms, I suggest you e-mail or otherwise privately message them, so you can be sure they have this feedback and also because these subjects never end well online.
Ready to see this implemented and I would love more on the timeline for deployment hinted at above.
Thanks!
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I just signed up for the Master level subscription, and it never even occurred to me that I would not be able to selectively enable/disable sharing for specific volumes! Please, this is an important fix.
Agreed Tenebrae. Agreed!
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This is why I haven’t purchased or preordered any more adventures. It’s been on the back burner too long.
Agreed!
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I really don't understand this logic. Firstly, if you don't trust your players, why are you playing with them? Secondly, if someone is going to cheat, you do realise that there are plenty of other ways of doing it, right? I mean, flipping a toggle here won't stop them.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
― Oscar Wilde.
I trust my players but there’s just no reason to dangle forbidden knowledge right in front of their eyes, in very same place they go to access the PHB, etc. You might have the most well-trained, best-behaved dog in the world, but it would still be a bad idea to place a rotisserie chicken in their bowl and leave the room and expect them not to eat it.
I guess I just don't think of the players as dogs...
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
― Oscar Wilde.
The people I play with are my friends. I trust them in many different ways. I have a long term gaming group that I joined a while back and recently took over as DM starting a new campaign running the group's first published adventure as LMOP, using DDB for character creation. As we were about to start play, I found out that one of the players had read through the adventure using the content sharing feature on DDB, and later I found out another had read it as well. These are my friends and my regular gaming group. I'm not going to stop playing with them because they didn't resist the temptation to read ahead an adventure that was made readily available to them.
Since I've done all the prep work for LMOP, I am starting another group to run through it as well with mostly new players including my wife and her business partner and also using DDB for character creation. I shared the campaign link with only one player so far, didn't say anything about the adventure, and when I talked to him yesterday I found out he had read parts of the adventure using the content sharing feature while looking through the other source books. These are some of my closest friends, and people I've wanted to play D&D with for some time.
In both cases, none of the players would have read the adventures if it wasn't right in front of their face. Flipping a toggle here would absolutely stop them. They aren't people I consider cheaters. Just curious about the adventure, and lacked willpower.
A better analogy might be going to your gaming group to start a new campaign, handing over a physical pile of source books to your players, telling them these are the books they should use for preparing their character, and including in that pile the adventure you are planning to run. You wouldn't do that, right?
It's not about trusting the players. It's about a DM having the options available in the system to appropriately run the game they choose to run. Selecting which resources are available to the players based on their particular situation is a very basic request of Beyond and should have been in place since the very beginning.
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I don't think of my players as dogs, but there's almost always that one guy who has the adventure-game mentality of looking up "cheats" to optimize a "win." It's a drag because it takes away the opportunity for the other players to solve the puzzles after the initial frustration, which is a feature, not a bug, of puzzle-solving. A lot of the pleasure of Tomb of Annihilation, for example, comes from puzzle-solving.
I look forward to buying more campaign content on this platform when this feature exists.
Throwing my hat into this ring of folks waiting for this feature. It sounds like it has been on the roadmap for over a year now but still no news of an expected timeline. This is a constant source of annoyance whenever my group of players levels up. Any news?