Perception: Extremely useful for noticing danger before it strikes, and spotting hidden things of value.
Stealth: I truly believe this is one of the best skills. Being able to sneak on monsters and get the jump on them, resulting in surprise rounds, is so good. It's value continues once the fight begins in earnest via losing aggro using a stealth check. Great for scouting out a potential encounter in general, then reporting back to the party to make plans for it. All of this is very good.
A
Athletics: Strong. Widely useful in combat for grappling and escaping grapples, and outside of combat doing anything physically demanding.
Insight: Quite useful for assessing threat and motivations from NPCs and monsters alike.
Persuasion: The most important social skill. widely use for haggling, convincing NPCs to be helpful, etc.
Sleight of Hand: A good skill that can lead to tangible benefits with stealing or cheating. Useful outside of that with fast or subtle moves made with the hands.
B
Acrobatics: this one is ok. when trying to climb something or balance on something is when it comes into play. It can be helpful mitigating fall damage if you play that card correctly to your DM, "Oh my character rolled as they hit the ground, DM". Also, an option to escape grapples like athletics.
Deception: Not bad, lie to NPCs for gain. Also can confuse monsters in a dungeon.
Intimidate: Like deception, not bad, intimidate NPCs and monsters for gain. Also good for forcing surrenders in combat and gathering information from the reluctant.
Investigation: This one is highly DM dependent. If they call for it a lot when searching for treasure, secret doors, or quest-related searching, Then it is A or even S tier. If instead they call for perception in these situations then it plunges to C or even D.
C
Animal Handling: primary use is if you want to ride a horse or man a horse draw carriage in combat. Quite niche outside of that unless you are a druid and can better set up situations for it.
Arcana: Ok if your DM lets you ID magic items or unnatural monsters with it. Otherwise niche and arguably D tier.
Medicine: If you have no heals in the party it is ok for trying to stabilize dying players/NPCs. Pretty niche otherwise.
Nature: An ok skill for identifying natural monsters or plants that you either don't know or are "not metagaming about" if your DM tends to allow for it.
Performance: It can sometimes impress powerful NPCs for what its worth, or make you a bit of gold in tips, but not much outside of this.
Survival: Meh. If your DM is running a gritty wilderness survival type game, it could be A or B, but if they gloss over stuff like that (during travel mostly) or if the game is simply nothing like that, then it plunges to D tier. I'll average it out here in C.
D
History: Eh. It just doesn't come up much outside of flavorful but not actually important lore dumps.
Religion: Same comments as with history. If you happen to be up against a cult-like enemy or evil god it could be marginally better in the sense of obtaining pertinent information about them.
So yea that is my list. Feel free to post a list of your own, I'm interested in seeing it. Also feel free to vote on what skills you think are best.
It really depends on the DM and campaign, as well as character. I had one DM that made everything an Investigation check. Like, you're working on a puzzle and a fight breaks out elsewhere, Investigation check to see if you notice. Literally everything else was based on Saving Throws.
Generally speaking, Perception, Stealth and some kind of interrogation skill (Persuasion/Intimidate/etc) are important - although the interrogation skill can be delegated to others in the party. The rest really does depend on the DM and adventure. If I'm running it, you probably want all of them present in the party.
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In my last campaign, your third tier were necessary just to be able to prepare for a fight, and in the one before that, your lowest import had to be owned just to attune.
next campaign, there are a dozen skills that will be needed, and none of them help out in combat.
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Chose all, because, as many have said already, it heavily depends on the campaign and the DM.
I had a campaign, where the majority of the plot was investigation/politics, knowledge was power. Physical means were rarely necessary.
I would like to "Second" - or at this point fourth - this notion because the style of campaign and breakdown of the party is hugely dependent on what skills will be most relevant. However, the main ability scores that have been the most important at the tables I've played at/run have been the following:
Perception/Investigation. This skill, and the next one, is often used every time you enter a new room. That's why, in dungeon crawls - as well as pretty much any campaign to a lesser extent though -- they're hugely impactful.
Stealth: Avoiding combat and surprising the monsters by whacking them in the head with a crowbar is great. This is a super valuable skill, but it can feel less important or easy to succeed in sneaking up on the baddies when the Dungeon Master runs things by counting one singular failure from the party as ruining the whole challenge, instead of doing a custom group stealth check. Unfortunately, I've seen that it's run the former way quiiiiiiite a lot.
Persuasion/Deception: Even in dungeon crawls, not every monster is hostile, and persuasion and deception are the skills that can convince them to work with you, or at least not try to murder and eat you.
Trash skills (in my games):
Generally, all skills are really good and useful, and picking which ones to expend your limited proficiencies on is even more mind-bogglingly maddening than a Nothic's Rotting Gaze. However, History, Religion, and Medicine are all pretty good at being dump stats. In other worlds, most things the schools in D&D worlds would teach you are kind of useless.
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As others have said a lot depends on the DM, and the campaign. There are also some skills it is usful for one person to have and others it is useful for the whole party to have. A house rule I like and often play is that you can help with an ability check only if you are proficient in the skill which makes a second person proficient in a lot of skills.
Acrobatics: OP gave 3 examples but the PHB gives climbing as an example of an athletics check and that fall damage is fixed while some DMs allow an acrobatics check or dex save to reduce damage or avoid being prone that is homebrew, though I could see deliberatly jumps off a 20 ft drop and attempts ot roll as they hit the ground as an accrobatic stunt rather than a fall. Main use is to avoid / get out of a grapple which is common enough to be reasonably useful for low strength characters.
Animal Handling: I've only playd one mounted character and can't remember ever having ot do an animal handling check for that. Very Campaign / DM dependent main uses I have had is to attempt to calm down a frightened beast (anything from stopping a bolting horse to slowly backing away from a bear we accidently ran into trying ot persuade it we meant it no harm. Speak with animals can either lead ot a animal handling or a pursausion check depending on DM. Can be moderately useful but only really needed on one character.
Arcana: Fairly to very important. If an arcana check is required / allowed to identify a spell (and doesn't use a reaction) this is very useful for anyone with access to counterspell. Some DMs ask for arcana checks to find / identify magical traps
Athletics: Useful on anyone probably put is second overall to perception
Deception: Generally ony needed on the face less important on a heroic group, than an edgy one that will often try to deceive NPCs for gain. Though heroic groups will still want ot deceive the bad guys from time ot time.
History: Campaign / DM dependent, can even cover remembering what happened 20 sessions ago when something in the story is linked to what happened in the past with the group.
Insight: Fairly important, great to have one person very good at it but sometimes also needed by the face.
Intimidation: I find it hasn't come up very often in my games but edgy parties might use it instead of persuasion only really needed on the face uunless the DM allows the barbarian to make Strength (Intimidation) checks.
Investigation: DM dependent as there is a lot of variation as ot what is perception and what is investigation. Generally ony needed on one party member though multiple people can speed things up
Medicine: Never been in a campaign where it has come up much, either there are more than one person with healing spells or there are enough potions to heal if someone goes down resulting in no concioous healers.
Nature: Can be useful for one person to have
Perception: The most important skill if the DM says searches are perception (rather than investigation) by a significant margin
Performance: Can be useful for Bards otherwise if it is used at all it is for rolls of trivial importance.
Persuasion: Usually the most importance face skill I usually take it even if not the face so I don't feel I need my character to be silent in social encounters.
Religion: Depend on DM / Campaign knowing things about undead or fiends often is classed as religion.
Slight of Hand: Useful on a lot of rogues though with 95% of the use being for theft mor heroic groups might have it rarely used.
Stealth: DM and party dependent it can be either middle of the pack or up there with perception : While gaining surprise or sneaking around a threat to avoid a combat entirely is great it usually requires everyone to have decent stealth, one paladin in heavy armor can ruin it. Having a stealthy PC scout is an option but splitting hte party is generally a bad idea, some DMs will allow the paladin to be 30 behind and not need ot make a stealth check some would require them to be to far away to be any use at all if things went wrong.
Survival: Not the worst as tracking comes up quite a bit in most of the campaigns I've been in. Magic can make gritty wildedness style campaigns impossible RAW (goodberry) but DMs can just remove such magic from the game, I;ve not played in such a game however.
As a DM, I encourage my players to work with what they have. Certainly skills like Medicine or Animal Handling take a little more thought to their general relevance compared to Perception or Arcana, but that can be a good thing. The player has to really think about the way their character sees the world and how their training might help them overcome the challenges they face. If they can make a good argument for it, I'll reward their efforts.
Some of our most memorable moments are times when the party was forced to do things "their way" instead of the obvious "optimal" way. And isn't generating those moments a big part of why we play in the first place?
S Tier -------- Perception best skill period, it is used in 90% of the cases, it finds traps, it find secret passages, it spots enemies, it does everything. must have for anyone on all charcaters.
A Tier -------- Stealth self explanatory, its just so usefull even fighters in full plate usually use it even with disadvantage. trying to have surprise is a must in most fights.
Persuasion, deception self explanatory, the only defacto political skills, nothing else exists.
(*) Intimidation this is depending on your DM. if he allows it to be like a fear effect as the spell, then yes it is amazingly usefull. otherwise its a B or C tier.
B Tier -------- Sleight of hand useful to hide weapons or to steal something without being noticed.
Insight very useful, but most often then not gives you information that you already knew or thought of and needed to confirm. the occasionnal time where its not a lie detector has amazing, but unfortunately this skill has been relinquish by most DMs as a lie detector and only that. which makes it much less good.
Survival being able to track down a creature or foot prints and all or not getting lost in a forest or maze is of utmost importance if you dont have a ranger with you. if your DM make sa lot of wilderness adventures then this is an A tier, but if he doesn't then no its only a B tier.
Arcana this is the only real intellect check worth its worth. the rest is just lore dumps on your players of the world around you. But this one fo them that can identify an object, identify a spell, aritual, anything related to magic which is way too often a thing in the game.
C Tier -------- anything else is just meh as they are entirely dependant on the DM making use of them or not.
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Perception: Will happen every campaign (if not every session) without fail. Missing these checks can have DISASTROUS effects (walking right into that Gelatinous Cube, completely missing a trap, not seeing the assassin sneaking up on you, etc.).
Insight: Even if you are not planning on being the face, it is typically good to have a feeling when someone's intentions are not strictly honorable.
Athletics/Acrobatics: You will typically want one of these as you will use one to interact with physical challenges (climbing, jumping, swimming, etc.) and for making and escaping grapples.
Investigation: This one could be second tier, but it is very useful when looking for things, trying to solve a puzzle, or sussing out the location of a secret door.
I see Stealth as a good one, for specific characters or styles of play. My top picks are ones that would be good on any/every character. Investigation is another one that one party member could have, but you might find yourself in a situation where you need to figure something out or find something on your own.
All of these are campaign, player and DM dependent, so there's no good way to rank these, but I will add that certains skills have universal mechanical benefits to them, so I'd rank those above others, such as:
• Acrobatics — used to escape Grapples.
• Athletics — used to Grapple and to escape Grapples.
• Investigation — used to discern Illusions.
• Stealth — used to Hide.
Good point, and this brings up a big problem with the skills in this game- way too much is left open to interpretation.
I get that some folks might like this, but I don’t. There should be tangible actions than you can take with each skill outlined in the PHB, along with openings for more free-form interpretation. This is a big win for Pathfinder over 5E, because they do this.
The fact that your short list covers every by the book rule that the skills can do for you, that is pretty sad.
I don't think that list is complete, it's just what I could think of off the top of my head. Things like Medicine to stabilize is also a universally applicable check (defined by the rules (DC10)), or how some feats like the Inquisitive Rogue's Insightful Fightning (lv3) utilizes Insight checks mechanically.
the medicine check would be true if you didn't have, clerics using a spell to stabilise people, no check involved, or have so many healing which makes stabilising a moot point since you just revive them on the spot. thats not counting healing kits which also stabilise people without a check involved. this is why medicine is relegated to the "how did he die" check.
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All of these are campaign, player and DM dependent, so there's no good way to rank these, but I will add that certains skills have universal mechanical benefits to them, so I'd rank those above others, such as:
• Acrobatics — used to escape Grapples.
• Athletics — used to Grapple and to escape Grapples.
• Investigation — used to discern Illusions.
• Stealth — used to Hide.
Good point, and this brings up a big problem with the skills in this game- way too much is left open to interpretation.
I get that some folks might like this, but I don’t. There should be tangible actions than you can take with each skill outlined in the PHB, along with openings for more free-form interpretation. This is a big win for Pathfinder over 5E, because they do this.
The fact that your short list covers every by the book rule that the skills can do for you, that is pretty sad.
what is sad are people trying to use skills for things they shouldn't... aka the guy trying to sus out a secret door with investigation, thats not the right skill. perception would sus out a secret door. but not how to open it. investigation would be how to open the door. the same way people who say climbing a mountain with acrobatics is doable, have never ever climbed a mountain in their life and think that people like the elf in lord of the rings are agile only, but they are also strong and fit. acrobatics cannot climb a mountain. i had a player thinking i'll dot he naruto vertical run and get out of the well i fell down. i told him it was impossible for him to run 40 foot high up from that well, but athletics to push his back to the wall and his feet on the other was possible. but no he wanted acrobatics anyway cause thats what he had.
thats what skills checks are for, making your characters different from one another. unfortunately min maxing wise, there will always be better skills then not. even in real life, perception is a big part of our lives.
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I don't think that list is complete, it's just what I could think of off the top of my head. Things like Medicine to stabilize is also a universally applicable check (defined by the rules (DC10)), or how some feats like the Inquisitive Rogue's Insightful Fightning (lv3) utilizes Insight checks mechanically.
the medicine check would be true if you didn't have, clerics using a spell to stabilise people, no check involved, or have so many healing which makes stabilising a moot point since you just revive them on the spot. thats not counting healing kits which also stabilise people without a check involved. this is why medicine is relegated to the "how did he die" check.
side note, the DC is 15, not 10.
I agree. Healing potions, spells, and kits make “medicine” laughably obsolete. I’m honestly tempted to revise it to D tier. If it did anything useful, such as allow you to recover faster from poison or disease, or gave you additional short rest HP, it could be ok but it doesn’t…
what is sad are people trying to use skills for things they shouldn't...
aka the guy trying to sus out a secret door with investigation, thats not the right skill. perception would sus out a secret door. but not how to open it. investigation would be how to open the door. the same way people who say climbing a mountain with acrobatics is doable, have never ever climbed a mountain in their life and think that people like the elf in lord of the rings are agile only, but they are also strong and fit. acrobatics cannot climb a mountain. i had a player thinking i'll dot he naruto vertical run and get out of the well i fell down. i told him it was impossible for him to run 40 foot high up from that well, but athletics to push his back to the wall and his feet on the other was possible. but no he wanted acrobatics anyway cause thats what he had.
thats what skills checks are for, making your characters different from one another. unfortunately min maxing wise, there will always be better skills then not. even in real life, perception is a big part of our lives.
"People" assuming you mean players shouldn't be trying at all. All the players do according to the rules is "describe their actions" the DM then narrates the results if "circumstance[s]... make it challenging for an adventurer to complete a task. In those cases, the DM decides what happens, often relying on the roll of a die to determine the results of an action."
The player can say "I search for for a secret door" it is up to the DM what is the most appropriate roll to make. Perception might notice a thin crack in the wall but investigation might search likely places for a hidden switch. It is up to the DM which should be used.
I don't think that list is complete, it's just what I could think of off the top of my head. Things like Medicine to stabilize is also a universally applicable check (defined by the rules (DC10)), or how some feats like the Inquisitive Rogue's Insightful Fightning (lv3) utilizes Insight checks mechanically.
the medicine check would be true if you didn't have, clerics using a spell to stabilise people, no check involved, or have so many healing which makes stabilising a moot point since you just revive them on the spot. thats not counting healing kits which also stabilise people without a check involved. this is why medicine is relegated to the "how did he die" check.
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Perception: Extremely useful for noticing danger before it strikes, and spotting hidden things of value.
Stealth: I truly believe this is one of the best skills. Being able to sneak on monsters and get the jump on them, resulting in surprise rounds, is so good. It's value continues once the fight begins in earnest via losing aggro using a stealth check. Great for scouting out a potential encounter in general, then reporting back to the party to make plans for it. All of this is very good.
A
Athletics: Strong. Widely useful in combat for grappling and escaping grapples, and outside of combat doing anything physically demanding.
Insight: Quite useful for assessing threat and motivations from NPCs and monsters alike.
Persuasion: The most important social skill. widely use for haggling, convincing NPCs to be helpful, etc.
Sleight of Hand: A good skill that can lead to tangible benefits with stealing or cheating. Useful outside of that with fast or subtle moves made with the hands.
B
Acrobatics: this one is ok. when trying to climb something or balance on something is when it comes into play. It can be helpful mitigating fall damage if you play that card correctly to your DM, "Oh my character rolled as they hit the ground, DM". Also, an option to escape grapples like athletics.
Deception: Not bad, lie to NPCs for gain. Also can confuse monsters in a dungeon.
Intimidate: Like deception, not bad, intimidate NPCs and monsters for gain. Also good for forcing surrenders in combat and gathering information from the reluctant.
Investigation: This one is highly DM dependent. If they call for it a lot when searching for treasure, secret doors, or quest-related searching, Then it is A or even S tier. If instead they call for perception in these situations then it plunges to C or even D.
C
Animal Handling: primary use is if you want to ride a horse or man a horse draw carriage in combat. Quite niche outside of that unless you are a druid and can better set up situations for it.
Arcana: Ok if your DM lets you ID magic items or unnatural monsters with it. Otherwise niche and arguably D tier.
Medicine: If you have no heals in the party it is ok for trying to stabilize dying players/NPCs. Pretty niche otherwise.
Nature: An ok skill for identifying natural monsters or plants that you either don't know or are "not metagaming about" if your DM tends to allow for it.
Performance: It can sometimes impress powerful NPCs for what its worth, or make you a bit of gold in tips, but not much outside of this.
Survival: Meh. If your DM is running a gritty wilderness survival type game, it could be A or B, but if they gloss over stuff like that (during travel mostly) or if the game is simply nothing like that, then it plunges to D tier. I'll average it out here in C.
D
History: Eh. It just doesn't come up much outside of flavorful but not actually important lore dumps.
Religion: Same comments as with history. If you happen to be up against a cult-like enemy or evil god it could be marginally better in the sense of obtaining pertinent information about them.
So yea that is my list. Feel free to post a list of your own, I'm interested in seeing it. Also feel free to vote on what skills you think are best.
It really depends on the DM and campaign, as well as character. I had one DM that made everything an Investigation check. Like, you're working on a puzzle and a fight breaks out elsewhere, Investigation check to see if you notice. Literally everything else was based on Saving Throws.
Generally speaking, Perception, Stealth and some kind of interrogation skill (Persuasion/Intimidate/etc) are important - although the interrogation skill can be delegated to others in the party. The rest really does depend on the DM and adventure. If I'm running it, you probably want all of them present in the party.
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It is entirely dependent on the campaign.
In my last campaign, your third tier were necessary just to be able to prepare for a fight, and in the one before that, your lowest import had to be owned just to attune.
next campaign, there are a dozen skills that will be needed, and none of them help out in combat.
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Chose all, because, as many have said already, it heavily depends on the campaign and the DM.
I had a campaign, where the majority of the plot was investigation/politics, knowledge was power. Physical means were rarely necessary.
I would like to "Second" - or at this point fourth - this notion because the style of campaign and breakdown of the party is hugely dependent on what skills will be most relevant. However, the main ability scores that have been the most important at the tables I've played at/run have been the following:
Trash skills (in my games):
Generally, all skills are really good and useful, and picking which ones to expend your limited proficiencies on is even more mind-bogglingly maddening than a Nothic's Rotting Gaze. However, History, Religion, and Medicine are all pretty good at being dump stats. In other worlds, most things the schools in D&D worlds would teach you are kind of useless.
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HERE.As others have said a lot depends on the DM, and the campaign. There are also some skills it is usful for one person to have and others it is useful for the whole party to have. A house rule I like and often play is that you can help with an ability check only if you are proficient in the skill which makes a second person proficient in a lot of skills.
As a DM, I encourage my players to work with what they have. Certainly skills like Medicine or Animal Handling take a little more thought to their general relevance compared to Perception or Arcana, but that can be a good thing. The player has to really think about the way their character sees the world and how their training might help them overcome the challenges they face. If they can make a good argument for it, I'll reward their efforts.
Some of our most memorable moments are times when the party was forced to do things "their way" instead of the obvious "optimal" way. And isn't generating those moments a big part of why we play in the first place?
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S Tier
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Perception
best skill period, it is used in 90% of the cases, it finds traps, it find secret passages, it spots enemies, it does everything. must have for anyone on all charcaters.
A Tier
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Stealth
self explanatory, its just so usefull even fighters in full plate usually use it even with disadvantage. trying to have surprise is a must in most fights.
Persuasion, deception
self explanatory, the only defacto political skills, nothing else exists.
(*) Intimidation
this is depending on your DM.
if he allows it to be like a fear effect as the spell, then yes it is amazingly usefull. otherwise its a B or C tier.
B Tier
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Sleight of hand
useful to hide weapons or to steal something without being noticed.
Insight
very useful, but most often then not gives you information that you already knew or thought of and needed to confirm. the occasionnal time where its not a lie detector has amazing, but unfortunately this skill has been relinquish by most DMs as a lie detector and only that. which makes it much less good.
Survival
being able to track down a creature or foot prints and all or not getting lost in a forest or maze is of utmost importance if you dont have a ranger with you. if your DM make sa lot of wilderness adventures then this is an A tier, but if he doesn't then no its only a B tier.
Arcana
this is the only real intellect check worth its worth. the rest is just lore dumps on your players of the world around you. But this one fo them that can identify an object, identify a spell, aritual, anything related to magic which is way too often a thing in the game.
C Tier
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anything else is just meh as they are entirely dependant on the DM making use of them or not.
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I see Stealth as a good one, for specific characters or styles of play. My top picks are ones that would be good on any/every character. Investigation is another one that one party member could have, but you might find yourself in a situation where you need to figure something out or find something on your own.
Good point, and this brings up a big problem with the skills in this game- way too much is left open to interpretation.
I get that some folks might like this, but I don’t. There should be tangible actions than you can take with each skill outlined in the PHB, along with openings for more free-form interpretation. This is a big win for Pathfinder over 5E, because they do this.
The fact that your short list covers every by the book rule that the skills can do for you, that is pretty sad.
All skills are the best. That's why Stone of Good Luck is the best magic item ever!
the medicine check would be true if you didn't have, clerics using a spell to stabilise people, no check involved, or have so many healing which makes stabilising a moot point since you just revive them on the spot. thats not counting healing kits which also stabilise people without a check involved. this is why medicine is relegated to the "how did he die" check.
side note, the DC is 15, not 10.
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what is sad are people trying to use skills for things they shouldn't...
aka the guy trying to sus out a secret door with investigation, thats not the right skill. perception would sus out a secret door. but not how to open it. investigation would be how to open the door. the same way people who say climbing a mountain with acrobatics is doable, have never ever climbed a mountain in their life and think that people like the elf in lord of the rings are agile only, but they are also strong and fit. acrobatics cannot climb a mountain. i had a player thinking i'll dot he naruto vertical run and get out of the well i fell down. i told him it was impossible for him to run 40 foot high up from that well, but athletics to push his back to the wall and his feet on the other was possible. but no he wanted acrobatics anyway cause thats what he had.
thats what skills checks are for, making your characters different from one another.
unfortunately min maxing wise, there will always be better skills then not.
even in real life, perception is a big part of our lives.
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I agree. Healing potions, spells, and kits make “medicine” laughably obsolete. I’m honestly tempted to revise it to D tier. If it did anything useful, such as allow you to recover faster from poison or disease, or gave you additional short rest HP, it could be ok but it doesn’t…
I really still can't find the optimal solution to answer the question "how did he die".
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"People" assuming you mean players shouldn't be trying at all. All the players do according to the rules is "describe their actions" the DM then narrates the results if "circumstance[s]... make it challenging for an adventurer to complete a task. In those cases, the DM decides what happens, often relying on the roll of a die to determine the results of an action."
The player can say "I search for for a secret door" it is up to the DM what is the most appropriate roll to make. Perception might notice a thin crack in the wall but investigation might search likely places for a hidden switch. It is up to the DM which should be used.
I was going to say, the PHB says it's 10. I'm not sure where the 15 came from.
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