We were ending a campaign and my kid asked me if he could make a Warforged. I spent a TON of money buying all the additional races and subclasses and all that. Today, when I went to make the Warforged I found that not only was that no longer an option for me but SEVERAL of my races, options, items, monsters, subclasses, and more were all gone. There needs to be some form of refund if they're going to take away options we paid for. Like, it's not like the option to go to one of the many websites that basically pirate this stuff is out there but I love D&D so I pay for it. But if they're going to pull THIS nonsense? I'm out. Refund me.
I call BS You n your purchases being gone. Cause they states when they talked about this change that all purchased content will remain and if you want to get the full book you have bought prior material from you can contact them to get a discount.
If you blindly go along with a Business and its practices, they will continue to take and take and take. If you are ok with giving them more for less then go ahead. But don't crap on people that know that taking a stand by taking away their money is the only way to show a company goes to far. They made a bunch of stupid, anti-consumer decisions just to milk people. The deserve to lose money for it.
I said this earlier but what it comes down to for me is that this decision cut out a lot of people's ability to interact with the hobby and get invested using this website like the people on this forum are. If I learn about a new race, class, feat, etc. that I would want to try, instead of spending $2 - $5 I have to spend $40 or $60 if I get it during a deal, I think most people would be way less likely to purchase it and engage further with the hobby. This makes it way more likely to kill a potential new player's interest in the hobby of they have to pay that much money every time they introduce an update to the game.
It disappoints me too because this was a major separator between D&D beyond and other platforms. The user interface of the character sheets and character creator are already so intuitive and good, it was the cherry on top that every time a new book came out. You could, for a small fee, purchase and use a new feature that integrated seamlessly with their amazing product. Now, with less options being affordable, the wonderful character creator won't shine as much, and frankly, the site starts falling back in quality to match the other platforms competing in this space. Its still top notch with its character sheets, but not good enough anymore in my opinion to not seriously consider competitors that have much better VTTs and other features.
It feels like the company as a whole is starting to follow the business model of mobile games and that's what's making me question the direction of this site. It's system that relies upon a small percentage of big spenders that get to reap the full benefits of the product while everyone else who can't afford it, or frankly just chooses not to pay, gets a significantly worse, almost downright unplayable, product and has to live with it.
I really do hope they do provide some sort of middle ground between the two if it really wasn't profitable to keep it the way it was. But, if they keep it as it is now, I seriously doubt that I will be renewing my subscription and using this site to play the hobby that I love. There are plenty of other options that make this hobby fun to play without asking for a $60 payment every time you want an update.
I concur. I DM and play; I have purchased most of the rule books (physical and digital); and for adventures, I buy as I need. But when I comes to my own games, I buy the individual feats, spells, etc. I buy all of them sans the adventure because I create my own adventure. Check my account D&D Beyond, I pay for a lot. Now you have taken away my ability to pay you for those items, so I have to homebrew myself those same items.
it doesn’t make any sense. Why take away a revenue stream for us creators? Why make us go elsewhere to create similar / same to share with others?
TLDR but EGADS people will complain about anything and everything...
I do not have a single doubt in my head that if there had never been the a la carte purchases and they were introduced now that people would be complaining about THAT.
Corporate greed? Do you not know what a corporation is? It is a way to make money. It's like complaining about baby poop... It is the inevitable result. It is also a good thing. If the corporation didn't make money, if the baby didn't poop, it would eventually die. If you love the game and the service, if you love the baby, you have to accept the inevitable result. Or at least tolerate it.
Would it be nice if businesses would be like "We love what we do so we're only going to charge the bare minimum"? Yes, absolutely. But the bigger a business gets the more impossible this mindset is going to be.
BUT before you get too upset or anything, think about ways to mitigate the greed. You just want to buy specific magic item or two? Homebrew that and add it to your sheet that way! Or the full books too expensive? Team up with a bunch of other players and pool your money and have the one person share the resources with everyone else.
Also try to keep in mind that 3rd party books were unlikely to every be available via the micro-transactions anyway. None of them sell their books that way on their own websites so why would they OK it here?
See you in a bit when they also scrap homebrew and content sharing. You give in to bad business practices it will only get worse. Take a stand
that's already been discussed.
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Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
I'm not a fan of the new marketplace, but I do like the option to purchase physical and digital copies. However, I wish the a la carte options for digital books were still available (alongside the discount for buying the full book if you brought a la carte elements). The a la carte system gave options for DM and players who were on a budget or just needed specific things (i.e. subclasses, spells, etc.)
This is only going to drive players and DMs to take their business elsewhere or use other methods to get access to the content they need.
Hasbro doesn't seem to get the DnD community and appear to only care about maximising their revenue.
Our entire group will likely be moving away from DnD Beyond given Hasbro's latest money-grubbing decision to remove pay-as-you-go content. To the pen-pushing know-nothings at the top who made this decision, read the comments under this thread and realise you have just alienated a HUGE chunk of your customer base and have subsequently nuked your business.
Will be looking at ways to pirate content now and will go to whatever lengths possible to make sure that none of us pay a penny into this greedy, soulless pos company.
This is a guarantee that I will never spend a single penny on anything D&D again. Hasbro can't be trusted. Until "Destroy D&D Beyond" Chris Cocks is no longer in charge of this, until someone who is focused on making a good game and getting people to play it and understands that that is what will keep the game alive and the money rolling in takes the reins instead of the current idiot, this will keep happening.
This alone will cost them more in potential sales then they will ever make in actual bundles. My wallet stays closed.
Agreed, never going to spend any more money on DndBeyond, the a la carts system was great for the more casual players like myself, without it I see no value anymore
I am here to include my vote against the purchase changes. Like many here, I found out trying to purchase a new subclass. Can't now. WON'T now. As soon as my peers are done using the content I am sharing for their current one-shot, I am going to drop my subscription. They know this and support my decision - they hate the change too and everyone is getting really tired of trying to make excuses to support DnD. We just don't want to anymore.
Same with my group. I have several hardbacks and we loved the pencil and paper before. We have all decided that we will be going back to that and so i wont need the "Master Tier" anymore after we complete our current adventure.
This is such a completely idiotic decision on DnD Beyond's end. I've always been a "bits and pieces" DM. I run 2 campaigns and play in 2 others. I am the de-facto content sharer of our group. That's coming to an end because of this terrible "business tactic". Already feeling the effects of it. Twice this week I've come across monsters I definitely would have purchased before for use in my campaigns, but thought better of because I don't want to spend $30 dollars for $4 worth of content and a bunch of other junk I'll never use. Enshittification of once beloved products and services continues, I guess.
I went to go buy a singular item and then I checked the marketplace changed so now I gotta buy a whole book for it??? Instead of the dope features where you can just buy what you wanted from each bundle separately?!?!?!
They better not be surprised when people decide to take the long route and just Homebrew the items in, or just stop using the site altogether. This was a very greedy and unnecessary change, and there's no amount of justifying they could do that would make this okay.
There are so many armchair experts here claiming to know the ins and outs of what’s best for the site. If Ala Carte was truly the money-maker everyone thinks it is, it's unlikely they would have discontinued it. A lot goes on behind the scenes that none of us, no matter how smart we think we are, fully understand.
For all we know, it just wasn't cost-effective to keep programming the feature for the return they were getting. And before someone responds with "it's just some coding!" — no, it isn’t. Many people think you just add a bit of code to make it work, but it’s not that simple.
I understand why people are upset about not being able to use it anymore. You have every right to be upset. But this hate and fear-mongering is out of line. Yes, I know I’ll be called a bootlicker and other names because that’s what people do when others disagree with them. But most of those against this move have already stated they are leaving or have already left the service, which is your right. As they say, "Vote with your wallet."
Take a step back, ditch the emotional responses, and actually look at the situation. Do your research on what was said and form a rational opinion. Right now, all I’m seeing is “WoTC is evil!” “They are destroying D&D!” “HASBRO needs to go down!” Comments like these don't help.
Have civil, articulated conversations, state your facts and opinions, and maybe, just maybe, they will respond in kind. But at the end of the day, they don’t owe us anything. We made purchases; they delivered on those purchases. End of contract.
Personally, I can't speak to the actual cost effectiveness or the man hours of coding it took to have Ala Carte. I can only speak to it as a consumer and how it was one of the main ways I interacted with the site and was able to dive further into this hobby and introduce new players to it. It sucks as a consumer but I understand if it just wasn't financially feasible anymore. My wish and frustration is that from a consumers perspective, they didn't even try other options or methods like an extra payment in a subscription service or bundles that aren't 40-60 dollars to purchase. I stick by my opinion that this really hurts ability to retain consumers who want to spend money on this hobby but don't have the means to pay for a full book every time they want to try out a new update the wonderful team at WOTC creates. I've said this already but from an outside perspective it feels like we are getting closer and closer to a mobile/gotcha game style of business with D&D and that to me is the most concerning part of it all.
I wanted to send my complaint through a customer service email but as D&DBeyond and Wizards.com stipulated all feedback had to be through the public forums here:
I was planning to buy the Way of the Ascendant Dragon for my friend who wants to play that monk tradition and I wanted to share it with them.
(I was also disappointed that the site seems to have misled me about the trial for the Master Tier subscription, not to mention the price. Really disappointed in the site but I suppose now that WOTC owns it they'll want to squeeze every penny possible from their customers.)
I just downgraded back to Hero Tier after about ten minutes at Master Tier. A friend of mine owns Fizban's Treasury of Dragons and I will just have to consult their copy and add the Ascendant Dragon feats to my player's sheet manually, or send the info to them to keep on hand.
I call BS You n your purchases being gone. Cause they states when they talked about this change that all purchased content will remain and if you want to get the full book you have bought prior material from you can contact them to get a discount.
If you blindly go along with a Business and its practices, they will continue to take and take and take. If you are ok with giving them more for less then go ahead. But don't crap on people that know that taking a stand by taking away their money is the only way to show a company goes to far. They made a bunch of stupid, anti-consumer decisions just to milk people. The deserve to lose money for it.
I said this earlier but what it comes down to for me is that this decision cut out a lot of people's ability to interact with the hobby and get invested using this website like the people on this forum are. If I learn about a new race, class, feat, etc. that I would want to try, instead of spending $2 - $5 I have to spend $40 or $60 if I get it during a deal, I think most people would be way less likely to purchase it and engage further with the hobby. This makes it way more likely to kill a potential new player's interest in the hobby of they have to pay that much money every time they introduce an update to the game.
It disappoints me too because this was a major separator between D&D beyond and other platforms. The user interface of the character sheets and character creator are already so intuitive and good, it was the cherry on top that every time a new book came out. You could, for a small fee, purchase and use a new feature that integrated seamlessly with their amazing product. Now, with less options being affordable, the wonderful character creator won't shine as much, and frankly, the site starts falling back in quality to match the other platforms competing in this space. Its still top notch with its character sheets, but not good enough anymore in my opinion to not seriously consider competitors that have much better VTTs and other features.
It feels like the company as a whole is starting to follow the business model of mobile games and that's what's making me question the direction of this site. It's system that relies upon a small percentage of big spenders that get to reap the full benefits of the product while everyone else who can't afford it, or frankly just chooses not to pay, gets a significantly worse, almost downright unplayable, product and has to live with it.
I really do hope they do provide some sort of middle ground between the two if it really wasn't profitable to keep it the way it was. But, if they keep it as it is now, I seriously doubt that I will be renewing my subscription and using this site to play the hobby that I love. There are plenty of other options that make this hobby fun to play without asking for a $60 payment every time you want an update.
I concur. I DM and play; I have purchased most of the rule books (physical and digital); and for adventures, I buy as I need. But when I comes to my own games, I buy the individual feats, spells, etc. I buy all of them sans the adventure because I create my own adventure. Check my account D&D Beyond, I pay for a lot. Now you have taken away my ability to pay you for those items, so I have to homebrew myself those same items.
it doesn’t make any sense. Why take away a revenue stream for us creators? Why make us go elsewhere to create similar / same to share with others?
I would prefer to pay you for the content:
that's already been discussed.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
I'm not a fan of the new marketplace, but I do like the option to purchase physical and digital copies. However, I wish the a la carte options for digital books were still available (alongside the discount for buying the full book if you brought a la carte elements). The a la carte system gave options for DM and players who were on a budget or just needed specific things (i.e. subclasses, spells, etc.)
This is only going to drive players and DMs to take their business elsewhere or use other methods to get access to the content they need.
Hasbro doesn't seem to get the DnD community and appear to only care about maximising their revenue.
Our entire group will likely be moving away from DnD Beyond given Hasbro's latest money-grubbing decision to remove pay-as-you-go content. To the pen-pushing know-nothings at the top who made this decision, read the comments under this thread and realise you have just alienated a HUGE chunk of your customer base and have subsequently nuked your business.
Will be looking at ways to pirate content now and will go to whatever lengths possible to make sure that none of us pay a penny into this greedy, soulless pos company.
This is a guarantee that I will never spend a single penny on anything D&D again. Hasbro can't be trusted. Until "Destroy D&D Beyond" Chris Cocks is no longer in charge of this, until someone who is focused on making a good game and getting people to play it and understands that that is what will keep the game alive and the money rolling in takes the reins instead of the current idiot, this will keep happening.
This alone will cost them more in potential sales then they will ever make in actual bundles. My wallet stays closed.
Agreed, never going to spend any more money on DndBeyond, the a la carts system was great for the more casual players like myself, without it I see no value anymore
Keep the fires burning, we need this change to roll back, we need them to know we won’t be spending any money on this untill the change is made
Count me in. I'm not spending a dime.
I am here to include my vote against the purchase changes. Like many here, I found out trying to purchase a new subclass. Can't now. WON'T now. As soon as my peers are done using the content I am sharing for their current one-shot, I am going to drop my subscription. They know this and support my decision - they hate the change too and everyone is getting really tired of trying to make excuses to support DnD. We just don't want to anymore.
Same with my group. I have several hardbacks and we loved the pencil and paper before. We have all decided that we will be going back to that and so i wont need the "Master Tier" anymore after we complete our current adventure.
This is such a completely idiotic decision on DnD Beyond's end. I've always been a "bits and pieces" DM. I run 2 campaigns and play in 2 others. I am the de-facto content sharer of our group. That's coming to an end because of this terrible "business tactic". Already feeling the effects of it. Twice this week I've come across monsters I definitely would have purchased before for use in my campaigns, but thought better of because I don't want to spend $30 dollars for $4 worth of content and a bunch of other junk I'll never use. Enshittification of once beloved products and services continues, I guess.
Glad to see a YouTube video getting decent views on this: The INSANE D&D Leaks were TRUE (youtube.com)
I went to go buy a singular item and then I checked the marketplace changed so now I gotta buy a whole book for it??? Instead of the dope features where you can just buy what you wanted from each bundle separately?!?!?!
They better not be surprised when people decide to take the long route and just Homebrew the items in, or just stop using the site altogether. This was a very greedy and unnecessary change, and there's no amount of justifying they could do that would make this okay.
If they take away homebrew, I'll never spend another dime on WOTC.
There are so many armchair experts here claiming to know the ins and outs of what’s best for the site. If Ala Carte was truly the money-maker everyone thinks it is, it's unlikely they would have discontinued it. A lot goes on behind the scenes that none of us, no matter how smart we think we are, fully understand.
For all we know, it just wasn't cost-effective to keep programming the feature for the return they were getting. And before someone responds with "it's just some coding!" — no, it isn’t. Many people think you just add a bit of code to make it work, but it’s not that simple.
I understand why people are upset about not being able to use it anymore. You have every right to be upset. But this hate and fear-mongering is out of line. Yes, I know I’ll be called a bootlicker and other names because that’s what people do when others disagree with them. But most of those against this move have already stated they are leaving or have already left the service, which is your right. As they say, "Vote with your wallet."
Take a step back, ditch the emotional responses, and actually look at the situation. Do your research on what was said and form a rational opinion. Right now, all I’m seeing is “WoTC is evil!” “They are destroying D&D!” “HASBRO needs to go down!” Comments like these don't help.
Have civil, articulated conversations, state your facts and opinions, and maybe, just maybe, they will respond in kind. But at the end of the day, they don’t owe us anything. We made purchases; they delivered on those purchases. End of contract.
Personally, I can't speak to the actual cost effectiveness or the man hours of coding it took to have Ala Carte. I can only speak to it as a consumer and how it was one of the main ways I interacted with the site and was able to dive further into this hobby and introduce new players to it. It sucks as a consumer but I understand if it just wasn't financially feasible anymore. My wish and frustration is that from a consumers perspective, they didn't even try other options or methods like an extra payment in a subscription service or bundles that aren't 40-60 dollars to purchase. I stick by my opinion that this really hurts ability to retain consumers who want to spend money on this hobby but don't have the means to pay for a full book every time they want to try out a new update the wonderful team at WOTC creates. I've said this already but from an outside perspective it feels like we are getting closer and closer to a mobile/gotcha game style of business with D&D and that to me is the most concerning part of it all.
I wanted to send my complaint through a customer service email but as D&DBeyond and Wizards.com stipulated all feedback had to be through the public forums here:
I was planning to buy the Way of the Ascendant Dragon for my friend who wants to play that monk tradition and I wanted to share it with them.
(I was also disappointed that the site seems to have misled me about the trial for the Master Tier subscription, not to mention the price. Really disappointed in the site but I suppose now that WOTC owns it they'll want to squeeze every penny possible from their customers.)
I just downgraded back to Hero Tier after about ten minutes at Master Tier. A friend of mine owns Fizban's Treasury of Dragons and I will just have to consult their copy and add the Ascendant Dragon feats to my player's sheet manually, or send the info to them to keep on hand.