" The core D&D rules from the 2024 Core Rulebooks do not have a toggle as they are always considered enabled."
This is in their changelog, so I am afraid we are all f-ed here, since we cannot toggle this on and off. You can select and create 2014 class, but it will still contain everything from 2024...
"Do they have a right to do that? Can we cancel and get refunds for subscriptions and books if they wont be accessible the way we paid for, etc
You'd need to check the EUA/Terms of service to answer that I imagine
4.7 Changes in Availability: We reserve the right tomodify the availability, features, and prices of the content and items listed in the Marketplace, with no guarantee of future availability. We maintain the right to manage and adjust our offerings as needed, which includes changing fees or billing practices. Should any changes be unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to close your D&D Beyond account. Continuing to use D&D Beyond following any changes indicatesyour acceptance of these new terms.
The only way they would even dream of doing this to their users would be if they already had the legal right to do so.
It does not, at all, change how messed up it is to do this to us though.
Yes, because the 4.7 article, only points to changes in the content and availability in the marketplace, not to the character builder or other tools we can use the content in.
I guess this was the last bit of motivation I needed to cancel my subscription and wind down using this service.
I'll go back to the books, pen and paper.
I joined DNDBeyond when it was its own service and I understood paying twice for the books. But I liked that we could unlock specific items without buying the whole book.
Since WotC has taken over, to no one's surprise, this service has just whittled away at things trying to grab as much money from us as they can.
This is enough though. I started playing this game with a pile of books to reference, character sheets that we hand drew, and pencils and pens.
I joined DNDBeyond when it was its own service and I understood paying twice for the books. But I liked that we could unlock specific items without buying the whole book.
Exactly.
The key word that makes this entire event upsetting is service. I can buy the books, or hell, I can check them out of the library when they get them. But I'm not buying a collection of books with Beyond, I'm buying a service that makes using them with a group easy. The second that ceases to be true, why do I need their product? We have a 2014 campaign we're in the middle of as first time DnD players. How many people will be willing to endure that confusion a week from now, versus just shrugging it off and finding another hobby?
That's what kills me. The greatest impact from this will probably be to the growing player base when their entire business strategy at the moment is... growing their player base. Long-time players know where to look for a new system. New players will get frustrated when the changes kick in and look to spend their time elsewhere. And players who start after the switch might be directed away from Beyond to somewhere else by their DM's, so even if the hobby grows, Beyond's revenue generation won't.
Just from a pure capitalist perspective it is... questionable and risky. As an enthusiast who is just getting into the hobby it is maddening.
But hey, that's how a shareholder-driven company is run baby.
You can switch to Roll 20, Foundry VTT, or Fantasy Grounds, and unfortunately rebuy your content again from their store. There are additional sites you can use as well. You don't own the content you buy from D&D Beyond its a license and WotC can and will do whatever they want and whenever they want. If you have to rely on D&D Beyond to be the repository of your game, keep that in mind. You are just experiencing the deal from WotC, pray they don't alter it any further.
I was willing to give 6E a chance, but after reading the deal that WotC offered, just not worth it.
"Do they have a right to do that? Can we cancel and get refunds for subscriptions and books if they wont be accessible the way we paid for, etc
You'd need to check the EUA/Terms of service to answer that I imagine
4.7 Changes in Availability: We reserve the right tomodify the availability, features, and prices of the content and items listed in the Marketplace, with no guarantee of future availability. We maintain the right to manage and adjust our offerings as needed, which includes changing fees or billing practices. Should any changes be unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to close your D&D Beyond account. Continuing to use D&D Beyond following any changes indicatesyour acceptance of these new terms.
The only way they would even dream of doing this to their users would be if they already had the legal right to do so.
It does not, at all, change how messed up it is to do this to us though.
Looks like they're following in the footsteps of all perceived/hopeful monopolies in that they care only for your money...and even tell you how they will take it and why you'll have to love it.
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Old School original D&D/AD&D veteran.Started playing (@1977-78) before the original bound volumes or modules. Player/DM in the process of redeveloping my world atlas from memories. Avid Fantasy/Sci-fi fan. among those who used the original AD&D rules to re-enact The Hobbit (and yes most of the dwarves still died).
Star Wars fan with an old fan-fic blog for those interested: Tales from Soma III
Looks like they're following in the footsteps of all perceived/hopeful monopolies in that they care only for your money...and even tell you how they will take it and why you'll have to love it.
How does this work when you are playing in a campaign as a warforged artificer? If you are going to pull this shit, at least update all of the options we are using.
It doesn't really matter what the EULA/Terms of service say. In some countries it's illegal to take away content paid for without at very least allowing them to refund the contant,and they will sue you over stuff like this,if they get enough complaints.
" The core D&D rules from the 2024 Core Rulebooks do not have a toggle as they are always considered enabled."
This is in their changelog, so I am afraid we are all f-ed here, since we cannot toggle this on and off. You can select and create 2014 class, but it will still contain everything from 2024...
The only way they would even dream of doing this to their users would be if they already had the legal right to do so.
It does not, at all, change how messed up it is to do this to us though.
Yes, because the 4.7 article, only points to changes in the content and availability in the marketplace, not to the character builder or other tools we can use the content in.
I guess this was the last bit of motivation I needed to cancel my subscription and wind down using this service.
I'll go back to the books, pen and paper.
I joined DNDBeyond when it was its own service and I understood paying twice for the books. But I liked that we could unlock specific items without buying the whole book.
Since WotC has taken over, to no one's surprise, this service has just whittled away at things trying to grab as much money from us as they can.
This is enough though. I started playing this game with a pile of books to reference, character sheets that we hand drew, and pencils and pens.
Exactly.
The key word that makes this entire event upsetting is service. I can buy the books, or hell, I can check them out of the library when they get them. But I'm not buying a collection of books with Beyond, I'm buying a service that makes using them with a group easy. The second that ceases to be true, why do I need their product? We have a 2014 campaign we're in the middle of as first time DnD players. How many people will be willing to endure that confusion a week from now, versus just shrugging it off and finding another hobby?
That's what kills me. The greatest impact from this will probably be to the growing player base when their entire business strategy at the moment is... growing their player base. Long-time players know where to look for a new system. New players will get frustrated when the changes kick in and look to spend their time elsewhere. And players who start after the switch might be directed away from Beyond to somewhere else by their DM's, so even if the hobby grows, Beyond's revenue generation won't.
Just from a pure capitalist perspective it is... questionable and risky. As an enthusiast who is just getting into the hobby it is maddening.
But hey, that's how a shareholder-driven company is run baby.
You can switch to Roll 20, Foundry VTT, or Fantasy Grounds, and unfortunately rebuy your content again from their store. There are additional sites you can use as well. You don't own the content you buy from D&D Beyond its a license and WotC can and will do whatever they want and whenever they want. If you have to rely on D&D Beyond to be the repository of your game, keep that in mind. You are just experiencing the deal from WotC, pray they don't alter it any further.
I was willing to give 6E a chance, but after reading the deal that WotC offered, just not worth it.
Hey all! They heard us and they’re fixing it!
Hey all, we've heard your feedback and have published an article outlining our plan going forward. You can read it here. Thank you!
Looks like they're following in the footsteps of all perceived/hopeful monopolies in that they care only for your money...and even tell you how they will take it and why you'll have to love it.
Old School original D&D/AD&D veteran.Started playing (@1977-78) before the original bound volumes or modules. Player/DM in the process of redeveloping my world atlas from memories. Avid Fantasy/Sci-fi fan. among those who used the original AD&D rules to re-enact The Hobbit (and yes most of the dwarves still died).
Star Wars fan with an old fan-fic blog for those interested: Tales from Soma III
Its WestWorld season 1 all over again.
How does this work when you are playing in a campaign as a warforged artificer? If you are going to pull this shit, at least update all of the options we are using.
It doesn't really matter what the EULA/Terms of service say. In some countries it's illegal to take away content paid for without at very least allowing them to refund the contant,and they will sue you over stuff like this,if they get enough complaints.
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