Watch yourselves if you decide to return to the D&D fold after these changes. A lot of sources are saying there was no draft, that 1.1 was a fully intended and completed document on the verge of being pushed. Too many reliable sources are saying they were presented with 1.1 as a document to be put into action. The fact a draft existed with language like that is proof enough they're willing to go that route. This is just them licking their wounds.
Look no further than the 'we don't want NFTs'. I think the only idiots still making NFTs are on the same intelligence level as these corpo drones who approved this fiasco.
The language used affirms what most of us feared. 'We love aspiring creators, fans, the community' but the second a fan thinks that the work they produce is worthy of compensation, you're just another corporation that they want to stop. You are no longer a fan once you stop using your your time and creativity to boost wotc's IP for free.
As said on another thread: yeah, I smell a rat. This statement was designed to try and put out fires, not to actually "Say" anything other than "sorry not sorry you felt that way."
Main reason I say that: the opening concerns, two of which are non-issues that are there to appeal to your emotions. IE: "We're just trying to protect D&D from NFTs!", nobody was making those, "We're just tryign to stop people form making offensive content!" Which is not WotC's job; using their trademarks is already illegal, and beyond that they ought not be in the business of policing taste. These are both distractions designed to cow you into line by appealing to your emotional response an not your rational one.
Once you ignore those: you get to the "oh this was all for the creators!" narrative... which is obviously a load of dragon manure; the 1.1 document was NOT "written for creators"; and itw asn't a "early draft" either: it was written for WOTC, and it was supposed to be out and sent to creators a week ago.
This entire thing is just to try and distract and shift the narrative. Be VERY suspicious when corporations start using words like "love" and "care"; because they do and understand neither.
Well spoken, all of you. Additionally, recall that WotC is not anti NFT. They're extremely PRO NFT, and so is Hasbro. They just chose language that they think will appease the influencer market, as well as keywords that make search engines fumble. This is where #OpenDND and the similar hashtags will build a great track narrative. Their usage of these buzzwords will pull attention away on a search engine scale, but topical tags like the one I discussed will connect the true statements and their true motives to a single line of text.
Do not let them forget how much influence a single player has in this industry. From player to DM, we're all creators, we all make our own Homebrew, small or large, and there is no fine line for their greedy little fingers to reach across. There are the books that WotC puts out and profits on, and the creations of those who just enjoy the game. There is no room for Wizards to reach over and pick their favorites from the other side. Chop their hands off for even considering it.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me.... well, you see... you can't get fooled again.
They trying to be like "hey we are geeks too" by adding in the comment about rolling a 1. It's very clear from the original draft that the high-level execs have no interest or understanding of their product. Their missive is a weakly veiled attempt to backpedal after the realization that their customers were more than happy to drop their accounts. Just wait. They'll try to bring this back up once the dust settles and there is a new controversy.
They trying to be like "hey we are geeks too" by adding in the comment about rolling a 1. It's very clear from the original draft that the high-level execs have no interest or understanding of their product. Their missive is a weakly veiled attempt to backpedal after the realization that their customers were more than happy to drop their accounts. Just wait. They'll try to bring this back up once the dust settles and there is a new controversy.
The first document was full of that "cutesy tee hee! How do you do fellow kids!" crap as well... So points for consistency. But it's the same way that politicians try to seem "folksy and relatable": it's designed to distract you so you don't notice the actual body of the text hidden in there.
I wonder if there is any awareness at WotC or Hasbro of the tremendous damage that has been done to D&D as a result of this idiocy. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound that is going to cost WotC revenue for *years* as creators, distrustful of WotC, move to other gaming systems (hello, Black Flag) where they feel their contributions will be respected, their voices valued, and they won't be gaslighted. D&D has been the premier gaming system, in most respects, for my entire journey in gaming -- and I started playing when AD&D first came out. I bet that within 2 years, regardless of what WotC does now, D&D won't be the "world's most popular roleplaying game" any longer.
I was committed to running my games in 5e and presumably would have stayed with it. I've played this game for a long time. But this set of events has taken a gaming group that I am part of and shifted it to such an extent that we are reading three different systems to move to. Another group has already picked another system. Two more groups are TBD. I have NEVER seen a mass migration from comfortable entertainment to entertainment that will cause a lot more work for everyone involved, at this kind of speed. I take that back. I've seen this with video games. But PnP RPGs are not like video games, regardless of what WotC thought around the development of 4e.
I am guessing it leaves a scar on the D and D brand similar to the scars on the black knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
Be careful of saying D and D so openly. They might try to own 25% of your comment. (This reply is not sponsored by lizards of the coast, hasntbro, or any other individual or corporation and is purely the thought and opinion of my own making)
I wonder if there is any awareness at WotC or Hasbro of the tremendous damage that has been done to D&D as a result of this idiocy. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound that is going to cost WotC revenue for *years* as creators, distrustful of WotC, move to other gaming systems (hello, Black Flag) where they feel their contributions will be respected, their voices valued, and they won't be gaslighted. D&D has been the premier gaming system, in most respects, for my entire journey in gaming -- and I started playing when AD&D first came out. I bet that within 2 years, regardless of what WotC does now, D&D won't be the "world's most popular roleplaying game" any longer.
I have to wonder as well: as I've said in a few threads now, WOTC/Hasbro over-played their hand here. They inadvertently pulled the pin on a grenade; revealing to everyone that the ecosystem that sustained entire other companies all rested on a single point of failure. In short: they messed with other people's money. The smart move for other publishers therefore is to scatter; divest themselves of D&D as much as possible, even IF they walk things back. Which of course leaves WOTC holding the bomb and no way to un-pull the pin.
You're speaking the truth there. WotC made the fatal mistake of assuming a Pen and Paper RPG required their involvement. We were just happy to have them involved at the table, as any good party is. But their decision to abuse that for their own gain cost them their welcome. From the ground up the only things you need to build a campaign in any sort of system is an agreed upon base rule set, some characters, and a creative mindset. We, being dice goblins, were happy to start collecting what was given to make our jobs easier and more fun, but none of us were tethered to that by any stretch. I'm pretty sure most players enjoy the challenge to avoid using 5e content.
I wonder if there is any awareness at WotC or Hasbro of the tremendous damage that has been done to D&D as a result of this idiocy. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound that is going to cost WotC revenue for *years* as creators, distrustful of WotC, move to other gaming systems (hello, Black Flag) where they feel their contributions will be respected, their voices valued, and they won't be gaslighted. D&D has been the premier gaming system, in most respects, for my entire journey in gaming -- and I started playing when AD&D first came out. I bet that within 2 years, regardless of what WotC does now, D&D won't be the "world's most popular roleplaying game" any longer.
I have to wonder as well: as I've said in a few threads now, WOTC/Hasbro over-played their hand here. They inadvertently pulled the pin on a grenade; revealing to everyone that the ecosystem that sustained entire other companies all rested on a single point of failure. In short: they messed with other people's money. The smart move for other publishers therefore is to scatter; divest themselves of D&D as much as possible, even IF they walk things back. Which of course leaves WOTC holding teh bomb and no way to un-pull the pin.
I think we need to do more than that. At this point I think they need to be taught a lesson painfully. I personally believe we should not let up until they sign the ORC to truly put this whole debacle to rest and make sure no one every tries something similar again.
I wonder if there is any awareness at WotC or Hasbro of the tremendous damage that has been done to D&D as a result of this idiocy. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound that is going to cost WotC revenue for *years* as creators, distrustful of WotC, move to other gaming systems (hello, Black Flag) where they feel their contributions will be respected, their voices valued, and they won't be gaslighted. D&D has been the premier gaming system, in most respects, for my entire journey in gaming -- and I started playing when AD&D first came out. I bet that within 2 years, regardless of what WotC does now, D&D won't be the "world's most popular roleplaying game" any longer.
I have to wonder as well: as I've said in a few threads now, WOTC/Hasbro over-played their hand here. They inadvertently pulled the pin on a grenade; revealing to everyone that the ecosystem that sustained entire other companies all rested on a single point of failure. In short: they messed with other people's money. The smart move for other publishers therefore is to scatter; divest themselves of D&D as much as possible, even IF they walk things back. Which of course leaves WOTC holding teh bomb and no way to un-pull the pin.
I think we need to do more than that. At this point I think they need to be taught a lesson painfully. I personally believe we should not let up until they sign the ORC to truly put this whole debacle to rest and make sure no one every tries something similar again.
I agree completely: now that this little "exploit" has been found, and WOTC was clearly busted elbow-deep in the cookie jar trying to help itself to everyone else' money... Time for the ruler to come out. Corporations are large, stupid, amoral beasts that only learn through pain; and the only pain they truly feel is the in the wallet. Let's make this hurt.
It all boils down to meeting the word count. As usual, the post put out by Mr. Brink and the D&D team can be boiled down to "We're still lying to you, but we're gonna break down all the ways we're doing it." WotC's goal is unrelated to the bullet points in the latest news post. They have no control over the bulk of that post's 'concessions'. They can't 'allow' you to use things you create. They can however control profits and reporting. Don't trust for a second their new decision about 'no royalty' because these same people are adding a 30 days notice policy to the new OGL. Meaning they can add a royalty structure just as quickly as they make you sign on.
This post from them is a sign of a delay/decline tactic. They hope to filter this negative feedback into a place the data can be contained and 'lost in a fire' if you will.
Do not let them sit comfortably, I implore you. Once again put them to the gallows on public media outlets, and ensure your thoughts are very vocal in this new survey system. At this point, it's no longer just about OGL and 3PP matters. This has evolved into a company abandoning a community and hoping they are dumb enough to buy lies and gaslighting. This is an insult to you directly, as a player and member of this community. They do not respect the consumer, only the revenue generated.
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Watch yourselves if you decide to return to the D&D fold after these changes. A lot of sources are saying there was no draft, that 1.1 was a fully intended and completed document on the verge of being pushed. Too many reliable sources are saying they were presented with 1.1 as a document to be put into action. The fact a draft existed with language like that is proof enough they're willing to go that route. This is just them licking their wounds.
Look no further than the 'we don't want NFTs'. I think the only idiots still making NFTs are on the same intelligence level as these corpo drones who approved this fiasco.
The language used affirms what most of us feared. 'We love aspiring creators, fans, the community' but the second a fan thinks that the work they produce is worthy of compensation, you're just another corporation that they want to stop. You are no longer a fan once you stop using your your time and creativity to boost wotc's IP for free.
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You don't have a draft attached to a deadline to sign. It was a license, not a draft. A contract, if you will.
As said on another thread: yeah, I smell a rat. This statement was designed to try and put out fires, not to actually "Say" anything other than "sorry not sorry you felt that way."
Main reason I say that: the opening concerns, two of which are non-issues that are there to appeal to your emotions. IE: "We're just trying to protect D&D from NFTs!", nobody was making those, "We're just tryign to stop people form making offensive content!" Which is not WotC's job; using their trademarks is already illegal, and beyond that they ought not be in the business of policing taste. These are both distractions designed to cow you into line by appealing to your emotional response an not your rational one.
Once you ignore those: you get to the "oh this was all for the creators!" narrative... which is obviously a load of dragon manure; the 1.1 document was NOT "written for creators"; and itw asn't a "early draft" either: it was written for WOTC, and it was supposed to be out and sent to creators a week ago.
This entire thing is just to try and distract and shift the narrative. Be VERY suspicious when corporations start using words like "love" and "care"; because they do and understand neither.
Well spoken, all of you. Additionally, recall that WotC is not anti NFT. They're extremely PRO NFT, and so is Hasbro. They just chose language that they think will appease the influencer market, as well as keywords that make search engines fumble. This is where #OpenDND and the similar hashtags will build a great track narrative. Their usage of these buzzwords will pull attention away on a search engine scale, but topical tags like the one I discussed will connect the true statements and their true motives to a single line of text.
Do not let them forget how much influence a single player has in this industry. From player to DM, we're all creators, we all make our own Homebrew, small or large, and there is no fine line for their greedy little fingers to reach across. There are the books that WotC puts out and profits on, and the creations of those who just enjoy the game. There is no room for Wizards to reach over and pick their favorites from the other side. Chop their hands off for even considering it.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me.... well, you see... you can't get fooled again.
They trying to be like "hey we are geeks too" by adding in the comment about rolling a 1. It's very clear from the original draft that the high-level execs have no interest or understanding of their product. Their missive is a weakly veiled attempt to backpedal after the realization that their customers were more than happy to drop their accounts. Just wait. They'll try to bring this back up once the dust settles and there is a new controversy.
The first document was full of that "cutesy tee hee! How do you do fellow kids!" crap as well... So points for consistency. But it's the same way that politicians try to seem "folksy and relatable": it's designed to distract you so you don't notice the actual body of the text hidden in there.
I wonder if there is any awareness at WotC or Hasbro of the tremendous damage that has been done to D&D as a result of this idiocy. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound that is going to cost WotC revenue for *years* as creators, distrustful of WotC, move to other gaming systems (hello, Black Flag) where they feel their contributions will be respected, their voices valued, and they won't be gaslighted. D&D has been the premier gaming system, in most respects, for my entire journey in gaming -- and I started playing when AD&D first came out. I bet that within 2 years, regardless of what WotC does now, D&D won't be the "world's most popular roleplaying game" any longer.
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I was committed to running my games in 5e and presumably would have stayed with it. I've played this game for a long time. But this set of events has taken a gaming group that I am part of and shifted it to such an extent that we are reading three different systems to move to. Another group has already picked another system. Two more groups are TBD. I have NEVER seen a mass migration from comfortable entertainment to entertainment that will cause a lot more work for everyone involved, at this kind of speed. I take that back. I've seen this with video games. But PnP RPGs are not like video games, regardless of what WotC thought around the development of 4e.
I am guessing it leaves a scar on the D and D brand similar to the scars on the black knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
I think the Frog and the Scorpion analogy is more fitting.
Be careful of saying D and D so openly. They might try to own 25% of your comment. (This reply is not sponsored by lizards of the coast, hasntbro, or any other individual or corporation and is purely the thought and opinion of my own making)
I have to wonder as well: as I've said in a few threads now, WOTC/Hasbro over-played their hand here. They inadvertently pulled the pin on a grenade; revealing to everyone that the ecosystem that sustained entire other companies all rested on a single point of failure. In short: they messed with other people's money. The smart move for other publishers therefore is to scatter; divest themselves of D&D as much as possible, even IF they walk things back. Which of course leaves WOTC holding the bomb and no way to un-pull the pin.
You're speaking the truth there. WotC made the fatal mistake of assuming a Pen and Paper RPG required their involvement. We were just happy to have them involved at the table, as any good party is. But their decision to abuse that for their own gain cost them their welcome. From the ground up the only things you need to build a campaign in any sort of system is an agreed upon base rule set, some characters, and a creative mindset. We, being dice goblins, were happy to start collecting what was given to make our jobs easier and more fun, but none of us were tethered to that by any stretch. I'm pretty sure most players enjoy the challenge to avoid using 5e content.
I think we need to do more than that. At this point I think they need to be taught a lesson painfully. I personally believe we should not let up until they sign the ORC to truly put this whole debacle to rest and make sure no one every tries something similar again.
I agree completely: now that this little "exploit" has been found, and WOTC was clearly busted elbow-deep in the cookie jar trying to help itself to everyone else' money... Time for the ruler to come out. Corporations are large, stupid, amoral beasts that only learn through pain; and the only pain they truly feel is the in the wallet. Let's make this hurt.
Remember to be wary of anything said by WotC at this point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2NiN511jZs is a better explanation than I can give (for skeptics)
It all boils down to meeting the word count. As usual, the post put out by Mr. Brink and the D&D team can be boiled down to "We're still lying to you, but we're gonna break down all the ways we're doing it." WotC's goal is unrelated to the bullet points in the latest news post. They have no control over the bulk of that post's 'concessions'. They can't 'allow' you to use things you create. They can however control profits and reporting. Don't trust for a second their new decision about 'no royalty' because these same people are adding a 30 days notice policy to the new OGL. Meaning they can add a royalty structure just as quickly as they make you sign on.
This post from them is a sign of a delay/decline tactic. They hope to filter this negative feedback into a place the data can be contained and 'lost in a fire' if you will.
Do not let them sit comfortably, I implore you. Once again put them to the gallows on public media outlets, and ensure your thoughts are very vocal in this new survey system. At this point, it's no longer just about OGL and 3PP matters. This has evolved into a company abandoning a community and hoping they are dumb enough to buy lies and gaslighting. This is an insult to you directly, as a player and member of this community. They do not respect the consumer, only the revenue generated.