So yeah, DnD Shorts has been fairly trustworthy in the past. I figured they would try the AI-DM's and charge for homebrew, but max tier $30, really execs?
In reality, the game is fungible and the only thing that got people to play D&D are streamers and covid. Well covid is gone and people can go out again. And if they alienate streamers and they start playing their own homebrew or other systems, well good luck D&D. I'm not going to watch WotC Kirkland Brand Mathias Mapphews and his Hysterical Role campaign.
Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well be right. But that list looks eerily like a series of slides that was faked around the One D&D announcement, which laid out almost exactly the same terms and turned out to be a fabrication by someone in the community trying to raise alarm and awareness against MTX-style nonsense in DDB.
If this turns out to be true after all however, and Wizards is expecting people to pay DDB twice what they pay a full-flight streaming service on the monthly? That's not going to go well. People are already abandoning their subs over the OGL situation, charging them six times what they're currently being charged is a great way to lose most of the rest.
******* ridiculous. Homebrew BANNED for non-subscribers?? I have the books, I don't need your content paid for again to fill out my online charcter sheet. Up yours D&D and Hasbro execs.
Lots of people have been comparing One D&D to what happened with 4e, including myself. But it looks like we were wrong. This isn't 4e all over again, it's Second Edition! The corporate suits are going to drive the game into bankruptcy...
Something like that is a subscription multiplayer cRPG. It's basically an instanced-only MMO. Given that the subscription model is something the MMO market has pretty much given up on, the only WotC would come up with something like that is if they failed to do their market research. And, well, WotC being stupid isn't exactly unbelievable, but I'm still inclined to be skeptical.
This leak has got to be a joke, but Hasbro / WotC has lost any goodwill I offered it in the past, so it probably isn't.
Still, I'll wait and see, I guess.
Idk as yurie said there was a massive fake at the launch of the one dnd UA stuff and it was almost an exact replica of this and was heavily believed till disproved. With all the rumors and false information going around right now my gut feeling is this is false information though it would be bad if it I'd what was planned
This leak has got to be a joke, but Hasbro / WotC has lost any goodwill I offered it in the past, so it probably isn't.
Still, I'll wait and see, I guess.
Idk as yurie said there was a massive fake at the launch of the one dnd UA stuff and it was almost an exact replica of this and was heavily believed till disproved. With all the rumors and false information going around right now my gut feeling is this is false information though it would be bad if it I'd what was planned
DnD_Shorts, Ginny D and Nerd Immersion is verifying this. The original post, I didn't trust, but that is DnD_Shorts stating he got conformation from a WotC staff member.
I think you’ll see them double the price of Master and Hero tiers, and remove content sharing from the free tier.
I've already started the emigration process tonight, just bit the bullet and started with a new VTT. I'm smelling what the WotC is cooking and its gross.
150$ mil for DDB, [speculated] 250-300$ mil on VTT( possible AI DM R&D) and 2022 not looking too great for Wotc executives financially, $30 subs seem about right for them to try and milk the cash-cows to death. I mean, gotta make up the cash flow from somewhere if 3PP royalties are off the table.
As for unsubed homebrew, I wouldn't put it passed them to have the gall to have creators pay to have their work stolen. [ aka license to use content as they wish] (before the reply about this part gets written, can anyone really trust at this time they{ Wotc } would not think about it? Homebrew gets a couple hundred or thousand views, couple hundred add-ons by others, and $0.99 cent micropay to use and do I need to say more?)
I feel bad for the workers at Wotc and DDBeyond. They are front line fodder for corporate greed, and the ones getting flack for all this. Fair well allies, for the people are with you and appreciates the valent efforts to keep D&D in the hands of true stewards of the game, the community.
Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well be right. But that list looks eerily like a series of slides that was faked around the One D&D announcement, which laid out almost exactly the same terms and turned out to be a fabrication by someone in the community trying to raise alarm and awareness against MTX-style nonsense in DDB.
If this turns out to be true after all however, and Wizards is expecting people to pay DDB twice what they pay a full-flight streaming service on the monthly? That's not going to go well. People are already abandoning their subs over the OGL situation, charging them six times what they're currently being charged is a great way to lose most of the rest.
We're well part the point where someone looking for YouTube clicks could make up literally anything about WOTC, and a certain segment of the "consumer revolt" would swallow it without blinking
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If wotc is gonna start charging more monthly fees for content I paid for....I would sue...
It like that idiot idea of cars being sold with heated seat but you have to pay a monthly fee to unlock the heated seats....
I can't see them doing that, we should still be able to view content we bought and use the tool as a viewer. I can't see WotC going full Microsoft Executive (never go Microsoft Executive) and cutting your ability to view content you bought. They should only stop you from being able to share that content with your players.
I am hoping so much that WotC makes decisions that can win back my business. After having run other systems for years, I bought heavily back into D&D this past November thanks to Shadow of the Dragon Queen. My plan had been to keep buying more, probably for many years to come.
Never has any company of any kind lost my intentions for continued business so quickly. I've cancelled my subscription because it's the only moral thing to do. If we want to support small creators and the viability of the hobby, we must send WotC the clear signal to change course. If WotC were to announce that their only change to the OGL would be the addition of the word "irrevocable," I would gladly say that they appear to have learned their lesson and continue with my prior intentions. I don't expect suits to be saints, just smart enough to learn from mistakes.
But instead, the new leak implies an entirely different business model from what has succeeded in the past. Instead of trying to have an enormous community with third party creators driving endless sales of core materials, the new leak implies a plan for a very small number of customers who pay much more. If that is indeed the case, I'm not sure who those customers would be, but I wouldn't be one of them--nor does it sound as if I am intended to be.
Ok I am also losing all my good will but I am going to try and play devils advocate here.
If this is true then the $30 subscription may not replace the current top tier, we just may get more tiers. With the VTT coming it makes sense to expand out the tiers adding more functionality as you increase.
Now making all my players pay to play, nope that one would drive us away, I am not going to insist my players each pay $5 a month to play a game around a table, so that would make us find a new tool.
I am hoping so much that WotC makes decisions that can win back my business. After having run other systems for years, I bought heavily back into D&D this past November thanks to Shadow of the Dragon Queen. My plan had been to keep buying more, probably for many years to come.
Never has any company of any kind lost my intentions for continued business so quickly. I've cancelled my subscription because it's the only moral thing to do. If we want to support small creators and the viability of the hobby, we must send WotC the clear signal to change course. If WotC were to announce that their only change to the OGL would be the addition of the word "irrevocable," I would gladly say that they appear to have learned their lesson and continue with my prior intentions. I don't expect suits to be saints, just smart enough to learn from mistakes.
But instead, the new leak implies an entirely different business model from what has succeeded in the past. Instead of trying to have an enormous community with third party creators driving endless sales of core materials, the new leak implies a plan for a very small number of customers who pay much more. If that is indeed the case, I'm not sure who those customers would be, but I wouldn't be one of them--nor does it sound as if I am intended to be.
Here's the thing though, once you own the physical books, you no longer needs WotC for anything. Once you have the PHB, DMG and MM, you are done giving WotC any more money. You can build your own content and run your own modules and build your own world. You don't have to give WotC another dime. You can make your own additional monsters, spells and classes/subclasses.
What WotC has to provide you is good content worth you spending money rather than you creating your own content. My two cents, run a module or two. Buy some older modules, take notes and build you own content. You'll be happier, your players will be happier and you'll get a better experience overall. If you think about how much stress you are getting from WotC behavior, well there are a lot of ways to avoid them t
Ok I am also losing all my good will but I am going to try and play devils advocate here.
If this is true then the $30 subscription may not replace the current top tier, we just may get more tiers. With the VTT coming it makes sense to expand out the tiers adding more functionality as you increase.
Now making all my players pay to play, nope that one would drive us away, I am not going to insist my players each pay $5 a month to play a game around a table, so that would make us find a new tool.
From reading the posts, that is the max tier, but free tier you won't be able to use homebrew. This is a change to how D&D has functioned for about 50+ years now. The DM buys the books, the players bring their characters and might buy the PHB and that was it. D&D has always been something you could play for the cheap and in poorer areas it was good entertainment.
Ok I am also losing all my good will but I am going to try and play devils advocate here.
If this is true then the $30 subscription may not replace the current top tier, we just may get more tiers. With the VTT coming it makes sense to expand out the tiers adding more functionality as you increase.
Now making all my players pay to play, nope that one would drive us away, I am not going to insist my players each pay $5 a month to play a game around a table, so that would make us find a new tool.
From reading the posts, that is the max tier, but free tier you won't be able to use homebrew. This is a change to how D&D has functioned for about 50+ years now. The DM buys the books, the players bring their characters and might buy the PHB and that was it. D&D has always been something you could play for the cheap and in poorer areas it was good entertainment.
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
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So yeah, DnD Shorts has been fairly trustworthy in the past. I figured they would try the AI-DM's and charge for homebrew, but max tier $30, really execs?
https://twitter.com/DnD_Shorts/status/1615097747983695872
In reality, the game is fungible and the only thing that got people to play D&D are streamers and covid. Well covid is gone and people can go out again. And if they alienate streamers and they start playing their own homebrew or other systems, well good luck D&D. I'm not going to watch WotC Kirkland Brand Mathias Mapphews and his Hysterical Role campaign.
Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well be right. But that list looks eerily like a series of slides that was faked around the One D&D announcement, which laid out almost exactly the same terms and turned out to be a fabrication by someone in the community trying to raise alarm and awareness against MTX-style nonsense in DDB.
If this turns out to be true after all however, and Wizards is expecting people to pay DDB twice what they pay a full-flight streaming service on the monthly? That's not going to go well. People are already abandoning their subs over the OGL situation, charging them six times what they're currently being charged is a great way to lose most of the rest.
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******* ridiculous. Homebrew BANNED for non-subscribers?? I have the books, I don't need your content paid for again to fill out my online charcter sheet. Up yours D&D and Hasbro execs.
Lots of people have been comparing One D&D to what happened with 4e, including myself. But it looks like we were wrong. This isn't 4e all over again, it's Second Edition! The corporate suits are going to drive the game into bankruptcy...
Literally Williams 2.0!!
This leak has got to be a joke, but Hasbro / WotC has lost any goodwill I offered it in the past, so it probably isn't.
Still, I'll wait and see, I guess.
Something like that is a subscription multiplayer cRPG. It's basically an instanced-only MMO. Given that the subscription model is something the MMO market has pretty much given up on, the only WotC would come up with something like that is if they failed to do their market research. And, well, WotC being stupid isn't exactly unbelievable, but I'm still inclined to be skeptical.
Idk as yurie said there was a massive fake at the launch of the one dnd UA stuff and it was almost an exact replica of this and was heavily believed till disproved. With all the rumors and false information going around right now my gut feeling is this is false information though it would be bad if it I'd what was planned
- Mtg is on a 2 months release schedule, with extra collectors set and the ceo says dnd is under monetized. We see the future.
- ogl fiasco
- no new content dnd beyond. (Encounter builder beta……).. probably will lose the frames and dices when the vtt goes live anyhow.
- virtual desktop announcement with micro transactions.
I currently do not believe 30$ a month. I see an increase of subscriptions to15$ a month + a lot of micro transactions.
asking for a ridiculous amount, then give a second lower amount is a selling technique that often work.DnD_Shorts, Ginny D and Nerd Immersion is verifying this. The original post, I didn't trust, but that is DnD_Shorts stating he got conformation from a WotC staff member.
I think you’ll see them double the price of Master and Hero tiers, and remove content sharing from the free tier.
I've already started the emigration process tonight, just bit the bullet and started with a new VTT. I'm smelling what the WotC is cooking and its gross.
150$ mil for DDB, [speculated] 250-300$ mil on VTT( possible AI DM R&D) and 2022 not looking too great for Wotc executives financially, $30 subs seem about right for them to try and milk the cash-cows to death. I mean, gotta make up the cash flow from somewhere if 3PP royalties are off the table.
As for unsubed homebrew, I wouldn't put it passed them to have the gall to have creators pay to have their work stolen. [ aka license to use content as they wish] (before the reply about this part gets written, can anyone really trust at this time they{ Wotc } would not think about it? Homebrew gets a couple hundred or thousand views, couple hundred add-ons by others, and $0.99 cent micropay to use and do I need to say more?)
I feel bad for the workers at Wotc and DDBeyond. They are front line fodder for corporate greed, and the ones getting flack for all this. Fair well allies, for the people are with you and appreciates the valent efforts to keep D&D in the hands of true stewards of the game, the community.
If wotc is gonna start charging more monthly fees for content I paid for....I would sue...
It like that idiot idea of cars being sold with heated seat but you have to pay a monthly fee to unlock the heated seats....
We're well part the point where someone looking for YouTube clicks could make up literally anything about WOTC, and a certain segment of the "consumer revolt" would swallow it without blinking
Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I can't see them doing that, we should still be able to view content we bought and use the tool as a viewer. I can't see WotC going full Microsoft Executive (never go Microsoft Executive) and cutting your ability to view content you bought. They should only stop you from being able to share that content with your players.
I am hoping so much that WotC makes decisions that can win back my business. After having run other systems for years, I bought heavily back into D&D this past November thanks to Shadow of the Dragon Queen. My plan had been to keep buying more, probably for many years to come.
Never has any company of any kind lost my intentions for continued business so quickly. I've cancelled my subscription because it's the only moral thing to do. If we want to support small creators and the viability of the hobby, we must send WotC the clear signal to change course. If WotC were to announce that their only change to the OGL would be the addition of the word "irrevocable," I would gladly say that they appear to have learned their lesson and continue with my prior intentions. I don't expect suits to be saints, just smart enough to learn from mistakes.
But instead, the new leak implies an entirely different business model from what has succeeded in the past. Instead of trying to have an enormous community with third party creators driving endless sales of core materials, the new leak implies a plan for a very small number of customers who pay much more. If that is indeed the case, I'm not sure who those customers would be, but I wouldn't be one of them--nor does it sound as if I am intended to be.
Ok I am also losing all my good will but I am going to try and play devils advocate here.
If this is true then the $30 subscription may not replace the current top tier, we just may get more tiers. With the VTT coming it makes sense to expand out the tiers adding more functionality as you increase.
Now making all my players pay to play, nope that one would drive us away, I am not going to insist my players each pay $5 a month to play a game around a table, so that would make us find a new tool.
Here's the thing though, once you own the physical books, you no longer needs WotC for anything. Once you have the PHB, DMG and MM, you are done giving WotC any more money. You can build your own content and run your own modules and build your own world. You don't have to give WotC another dime. You can make your own additional monsters, spells and classes/subclasses.
What WotC has to provide you is good content worth you spending money rather than you creating your own content. My two cents, run a module or two. Buy some older modules, take notes and build you own content. You'll be happier, your players will be happier and you'll get a better experience overall. If you think about how much stress you are getting from WotC behavior, well there are a lot of ways to avoid them t
From reading the posts, that is the max tier, but free tier you won't be able to use homebrew. This is a change to how D&D has functioned for about 50+ years now. The DM buys the books, the players bring their characters and might buy the PHB and that was it. D&D has always been something you could play for the cheap and in poorer areas it was good entertainment.
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)