Just want to say the designers did a good job making the items represent that which are shown within the movie.
What I'd like to know is, within the movie, we see Simon Aumar (sorcerer) use a disc object on his belt to create a speck of dust used to cast his spells.
This item, I'm assuming, is the movie's version of a spell component pouch but it doesn't function as a pouch, giving the impression of a magic item.
So what I'm asking here is:
am I correct in assuming this is a magic item?
if so, why the game designers (Jarvis and Perkins) missed creating this item for the Honor Among Thi9eves Magic Item Descriptions?
if others believe, as I do, this is a magic item, what do others assume this magic item would look like?
I agree with choiroffire. I got the sense it was him turning the shell to the proper spell, and it would then drop out the components he needed. Just a bit of flavor on a component pouch.
Just want to say the designers did a good job making the items represent that which are shown within the movie.
What I'd like to know is, within the movie, we see Simon Aumar (sorcerer) use a disc object on his belt to create a speck of dust used to cast his spells.
This item, I'm assuming, is the movie's version of a spell component pouch but it doesn't function as a pouch, giving the impression of a magic item.
So what I'm asking here is:
am I correct in assuming this is a magic item?
if so, why the game designers (Jarvis and Perkins) missed creating this item for the Honor Among Thi9eves Magic Item Descriptions?
if others believe, as I do, this is a magic item, what do others assume this magic item would look like?
Thanks in advance :)
I more am intrigued by the fact Edgin
Is not *ACTUALLY* a bard. He casts no spells, does no vicious mockery, does no bard things at all except play a lute, and sing. In reality, Elgin is a "mastermind rogue" with an "entertainer" background. He "helps", he plans, he does all that, and the few times he does "attack", with his lute too, it packs a "sneaky" wallop of damage.
Officially, Edgin Darvis is indeed a bard. I think he should have been the one to
Cast the Major Image spell they used to infiltrate Castle Never
but I can understand them keeping any magical aspects under wraps to streamline things. Ideally, if there is a sequel featuring him, it would focus on him connecting with his heritage as a Bard the way this film had him connect with his heritage as a Harper.
As for Simon's component pouch, I don't think it's a magic item at all, just a fancy yet mundane dispenser that ended up being more cinematically appealing than having him dig through a nondescript bag. (Besides, if it was a magic item, what benefit would it provide? It's not like other casters have a chance to pull the wrong component or anything.)
Officially, Edgin Darvis is indeed a bard. I think he should have been the one to
Cast the Major Image spell they used to infiltrate Castle Never
You misunderstood the scene.
The sorcerer was the one who cast the spell, which is why it started to get all wonky when he got distracted when he got his foot caught in the stone tile.
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Officially, Edgin Darvis is indeed a bard. I think he should have been the one to
Cast the Major Image spell they used to infiltrate Castle Never
You misunderstood the scene.
The sorcerer was the one who cast the spell, which is why it started to get all wonky when he got distracted when he got his foot caught in the stone tile.
And you misunderstood my post. I know Simon was the one to cast that spell.
Officially, Edgin Darvis is indeed a bard. I think he should have been the one to
Cast the Major Image spell they used to infiltrate Castle Never
You misunderstood the scene.
The sorcerer was the one who cast the spell, which is why it started to get all wonky when he got distracted when he got his foot caught in the stone tile.
And you misunderstood my post. I know Simon was the one to cast that spell.
i misunderstood you both. mostly cuz i wasnt paying attention.
For my games, I'd see that as simply a reflavored component pouch. There's no need for a special item. If mechanically it functions the same, I'm all for my players coming up with things like this and really encourage it.
Reminds me of a character from Relics & Rarities, who was a gnome druid, but flavored every "spell" as alchemical bottles he carried around. Personally, I'm currently playing a college of spirits bard who rather than music, his spells and bardic inspiration are spirits that assist people.
While it appears to just be a reflavored Spell Component Pouch, if you notice, Simon also carries a Bag of Holding with him. It's not named as such during the film, but it looks identical to the 5e Bag of Holding artwork, plus Simon is given the bulky Helm of Disjunction to carry and yet when he's not wearing it, we don't see anywhere else it could be except a magic bag that stays magically flat despite a helmet being stuck inside.
My guess is that Simon's Spell Dispenser was a "gift with purchase" with this Bag of Holding, and when you call out the spell you need a component for and tap the disk, the dial turns to the color and glyph for the appropriate school of magic (the dial has eight colors and eight glyphs) and the component pops out the slot, even though it was actually carried inside the Bag of Holding. It's kind of like having an Apple Watch that only functions when it's tied to the iPhone in your pocket.
At least that's how I'd run it at my table.
Most players get a Heward's Handy Haversack for their wizard and use one of the Haversack's side-pouches as their spell component pouch, but for film, having the Spell Dispenser and Bag of Holding as separate items makes for better costuming.
According to Simon Aumar's statblock, the special equipment he use to cast spells is called a deathly token ;
Being a Sorcerer, he otherwise use arcane focus for his sorcerer spells so it could be that.
Special Equipment. Simon carries a bag of holding, two pairs of sending stones, and a deathly token (see Spellcasting).
Spellcasting. Roll a d6. On a roll of 1, Simon must roll on the Wild Magic Surge table in the Player’s Handbook. On a roll of 2 or higher, Simon casts one of the following spells, using Charisma as the spellcasting ability (spell save DC 14): At will: mage hand, minor illusion, prestidigitation, speak with dead (Simon must be holding his deathly token to cast this spell)
According to Simon Aumar's statblock, the special equipment he use to cast spells is called a deathly token ;
Being a Sorcerer, he otherwise use arcane focus for his sorcerer spells so it could be that.
Special Equipment. Simon carries a bag of holding, two pairs of sending stones, and a deathly token (see Spellcasting).
Spellcasting. Roll a d6. On a roll of 1, Simon must roll on the Wild Magic Surge table in the Player’s Handbook. On a roll of 2 or higher, Simon casts one of the following spells, using Charisma as the spellcasting ability (spell save DC 14): At will: mage hand, minor illusion, prestidigitation, speak with dead (Simon must be holding his deathly token to cast this spell)
I think that’s just for speak with dead. The thing they used in the graveyard scene.
Just want to say the designers did a good job making the items represent that which are shown within the movie.
What I'd like to know is, within the movie, we see Simon Aumar (sorcerer) use a disc object on his belt to create a speck of dust used to cast his spells.
This item, I'm assuming, is the movie's version of a spell component pouch but it doesn't function as a pouch, giving the impression of a magic item.
So what I'm asking here is:
Thanks in advance :)
Alternatively, the colored disks may just be a crystal spell focus.
It's called a dispenser in the AMC tie-in merch. I think it's supposed to basically be a high-fantasy component pouch.
Why isn't it just a bag? See above. Tie-in merch.
I agree with choiroffire. I got the sense it was him turning the shell to the proper spell, and it would then drop out the components he needed. Just a bit of flavor on a component pouch.
I more am intrigued by the fact Edgin
Is not *ACTUALLY* a bard. He casts no spells, does no vicious mockery, does no bard things at all except play a lute, and sing. In reality, Elgin is a "mastermind rogue" with an "entertainer" background. He "helps", he plans, he does all that, and the few times he does "attack", with his lute too, it packs a "sneaky" wallop of damage.
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Officially, Edgin Darvis is indeed a bard. I think he should have been the one to
Cast the Major Image spell they used to infiltrate Castle Never
but I can understand them keeping any magical aspects under wraps to streamline things. Ideally, if there is a sequel featuring him, it would focus on him connecting with his heritage as a Bard the way this film had him connect with his heritage as a Harper.
As for Simon's component pouch, I don't think it's a magic item at all, just a fancy yet mundane dispenser that ended up being more cinematically appealing than having him dig through a nondescript bag. (Besides, if it was a magic item, what benefit would it provide? It's not like other casters have a chance to pull the wrong component or anything.)
agreed. the closest, possible, arguable thing Edgin does :
Is you can argue he casts calm emotions on Holga with the song he plays after she subjects herself to the visit with her Ex.
But just how the directors chose to perceive it and and portray it. Found that more sus than the fancy component pouch.
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You misunderstood the scene.
The sorcerer was the one who cast the spell, which is why it started to get all wonky when he got distracted when he got his foot caught in the stone tile.
And you misunderstood my post. I know Simon was the one to cast that spell.
i misunderstood you both. mostly cuz i wasnt paying attention.
For my games, I'd see that as simply a reflavored component pouch. There's no need for a special item. If mechanically it functions the same, I'm all for my players coming up with things like this and really encourage it.
Reminds me of a character from Relics & Rarities, who was a gnome druid, but flavored every "spell" as alchemical bottles he carried around. Personally, I'm currently playing a college of spirits bard who rather than music, his spells and bardic inspiration are spirits that assist people.
While it appears to just be a reflavored Spell Component Pouch, if you notice, Simon also carries a Bag of Holding with him. It's not named as such during the film, but it looks identical to the 5e Bag of Holding artwork, plus Simon is given the bulky Helm of Disjunction to carry and yet when he's not wearing it, we don't see anywhere else it could be except a magic bag that stays magically flat despite a helmet being stuck inside.
My guess is that Simon's Spell Dispenser was a "gift with purchase" with this Bag of Holding, and when you call out the spell you need a component for and tap the disk, the dial turns to the color and glyph for the appropriate school of magic (the dial has eight colors and eight glyphs) and the component pops out the slot, even though it was actually carried inside the Bag of Holding. It's kind of like having an Apple Watch that only functions when it's tied to the iPhone in your pocket.
At least that's how I'd run it at my table.
Most players get a Heward's Handy Haversack for their wizard and use one of the Haversack's side-pouches as their spell component pouch, but for film, having the Spell Dispenser and Bag of Holding as separate items makes for better costuming.
I like that theory.
I'm just going to say it. Simon literally has a speak and spell on his belt. After all hasbro has their mitts in all of this too.
According to Simon Aumar's statblock, the special equipment he use to cast spells is called a deathly token ;
Being a Sorcerer, he otherwise use arcane focus for his sorcerer spells so it could be that.
I think that’s just for speak with dead. The thing they used in the graveyard scene.
This is the spell it says must be holding it but he has no other special equipment casting spells with.
But does he have a spell checker?
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Nah, those things are for the devil to possess sometimes. He gets really quirky at night.
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Most spellcaster monsters don't explain whether they're using material components or a focus. For example see the Mage from the Basic Rules.