Ok, the prospect that levels 1-5 might be LMoP has put me quite off. Definitely not preordering it, I'll wait to see what exactly they intend with that text before buying. LMoP wasn't the greatest as it was, and if they've just copied and pasted, I'm not paying full price for it. If they've just got some quests inspired by LMoP, maybe?
Even if it is a reprint, of something that's now free, I still might pick it up. I'm running a long-running Phandelver campaign (we only get to play 3-4 times per year so this has been going for several years at this point). And it might just end right around the time it comes out. So for me, it would be a nice way to continue with those characters.
At least they're being up front about it, which is all I really ask.
To me, 7 levels of new stuff just isn't worth full price. I mean, you do you, it may well be worth it for you. Personally, we already took our characters for Spelljammer - get some funky times for it. As for being upfront...I'm not sure they are. DDB states that it's a fresh take on them. There's a big question mark as to what they mean - DDB implies that they've rewritten the adventures to have the same core and intent, but a new spin. If it's a reprint, then that's not what DDB is saying to me. On the other hand, if they've rewritten it and resolved some of the concerns...maybe it'd be worth it.
The problem I'm having is that I can't see what's inside. My FLGS will only order in these new books if people want to buy them, and nobody does. So I'm stuck either ordering blindly and hoping my money is well spent, or just to leave it.
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Ok, the prospect that levels 1-5 might be LMoP has put me quite off. Definitely not preordering it, I'll wait to see what exactly they intend with that text before buying. LMoP wasn't the greatest as it was, and if they've just copied and pasted, I'm not paying full price for it. If they've just got some quests inspired by LMoP, maybe?
Even if it is a reprint, of something that's now free, I still might pick it up. I'm running a long-running Phandelver campaign (we only get to play 3-4 times per year so this has been going for several years at this point). And it might just end right around the time it comes out. So for me, it would be a nice way to continue with those characters.
At least they're being up front about it, which is all I really ask.
To me, 7 levels of new stuff just isn't worth full price. I mean, you do you, it may well be worth it for you. Personally, we already took our characters for Spelljammer - get some funky times for it. As for being upfront...I'm not sure they are. DDB states that it's a fresh take on them. There's a big question mark as to what they mean - DDB implies that they've rewritten the adventures to have the same core and intent, but a new spin. If it's a reprint, then that's not what DDB is saying to me. On the other hand, if they've rewritten it and resolved some of the concerns...maybe it'd be worth it.
The problem I'm having is that I can't see what's inside. My FLGS will only order in these new books if people want to buy them, and nobody does. So I'm stuck either ordering blindly and hoping my money is well spent, or just to leave it.
Yeah, I get that. And I've also given up on pre-ordering, so I'll have to wait and see.
To me, 7 levels of new stuff just isn't worth full price. I
Me too paying 30$ to have more than 40% of quest-level material recycled for which i paid 20$ for isn't much worth it to me unless the other 60% is very good
I remember reading somewhere when this book was announced this was going to be a sort of LMoP "remastered" with additional, higher level adventuring added on (so maybe a sort of Strahd Revamped with a fuller 5e campaign book format and content?). Seems the stuff linked today supports that. Apparently the Amazon advertisement is more detailed and specific than the official D&D page advert.
It does seem sort of odd, unless you look at the precedent of Strahd revamped.
I can see folks not wanting to buy it on DDB, since almost everyone has the first half of the adventure (though I thought I also saw language saying there's a "twist" to the LMoP revisit). It's sort of an odd product move unless you look at this is sort of celebration edition of an adventure that was the first game for many 5e and many D&D players. I can say the FLGS cover looks frictin cool and since I don't have LMOP in print, I may actually pre-order this one from my FLGS.
Now totally speculating on this next thought, but I think this may well also be the "obelisks" explained, granting closure of the recurring obelisk gimmick throughout 5e adventures. There's been a lot of fan theories about them, and some folks have hoped that the obelisk conspiracy will tie into Vecna as the big bad evil guy for products bridging 5e to whatever the One D&D revision of 5e is called. That's be neat if they used this Phandelver book as one of many possible starting points for a tier 3 and tier 4 Vecna adventure to sort of cap off the 5e product cycle before the One D&D refreshed or updated edition, finally giving players high level play outside of a mega dungeon.
This is just a guess. But given the previous level suggestions LM only takes you up to level 5.
Levels 5-12 is basically the same as Storm Kings Thunder minus the bad tutorial mission.
And there is plenty they can do to rework the existing LM material. Personally I'd prefer they make the middle 2 chapters (Phandalin and the Spiders Web) a bit more sandboxy with a lot more backstory involved, particularly for Glasstaff, the doppelganger, Venomfang and Hunan Kost.
I could also see more development on the major NPCs, particularly Gundren and Sildar.
I feel like I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that PaB: tSO was actually going to use Lost Mines of Phandelver for its first six levels. It would make sense for WotC to do that - it's pre-written content and would be pretty easy to reuse
AHA! It "Retains the beloved Lost Mine of Phandelver quests that unfold into a brand-new adventure with classic D&D themes and a tinge of horror" according to WotC. I was right! Who on earth tho would buy remastered content for around 3x the original's cost?
(though I thought I also saw language saying there's a "twist" to the LMoP revisit).
That's what it says on DDB (the exact wording being "fresh take", but same intent to my reading).
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It does seem sort of odd, unless you look at the precedent of Strahd revamped.
I feel less like it's different in that Strahd Revamped was basically a deluxe version that was late to the party. I see the parallels, but this seems different. This kind of feels like they couldn't be bothered to do a full adventure, so they took a short one and topped it up. I think I'd feel more comfortable if instead, they wrote L1-5 fresh, but wrote the whole thing in such a way that you could replace (or integrate, I suppose) the L1-5 part with LMoP instead.
It's not impossible that that's what they've done (or close to it). Maybe the first segment is heavily modified and it just takes sone inspiration - it could well be worth it in that case. However, seeing how WotC have dealt with things since 1D&D has been their focus, I'm more inclined to think they've probably just taken LMoP, added the presence of a few obelisks to support later narrative, swapped out a few enemies for their corrupted versions and called it a day.
I'll probably have to give it a miss, personally.
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It does seem sort of odd, unless you look at the precedent of Strahd revamped.
I feel less like it's different in that Strahd Revamped was basically a deluxe version that was late to the party. I see the parallels, but this seems different. This kind of feels like they couldn't be bothered to do a full adventure, so they took a short one and topped it up. I think I'd feel more comfortable if instead, they wrote L1-5 fresh, but wrote the whole thing in such a way that you could replace (or integrate, I suppose) the L1-5 part with LMoP instead.
It's not impossible that that's what they've done (or close to it). Maybe the first segment is heavily modified and it just takes sone inspiration - it could well be worth it in that case. However, seeing how WotC have dealt with things since 1D&D has been their focus, I'm more inclined to think they've probably just taken LMoP, added the presence of a few obelisks to support later narrative, swapped out a few enemies for their corrupted versions and called it a day.
I'll probably have to give it a miss, personally.
Agreed, I’ll wait 3 months for a better review and maybe a discount if what’s being suggested is accurate.
To me, 7 levels of new stuff just isn't worth full price. I mean, you do you, it may well be worth it for you. Personally, we already took our characters for Spelljammer - get some funky times for it. As for being upfront...I'm not sure they are. DDB states that it's a fresh take on them. There's a big question mark as to what they mean - DDB implies that they've rewritten the adventures to have the same core and intent, but a new spin. If it's a reprint, then that's not what DDB is saying to me. On the other hand, if they've rewritten it and resolved some of the concerns...maybe it'd be worth it.
The problem I'm having is that I can't see what's inside. My FLGS will only order in these new books if people want to buy them, and nobody does. So I'm stuck either ordering blindly and hoping my money is well spent, or just to leave it.
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Yeah, I get that. And I've also given up on pre-ordering, so I'll have to wait and see.
Me too paying 30$ to have more than 40% of quest-level material recycled for which i paid 20$ for isn't much worth it to me unless the other 60% is very good
I remember reading somewhere when this book was announced this was going to be a sort of LMoP "remastered" with additional, higher level adventuring added on (so maybe a sort of Strahd Revamped with a fuller 5e campaign book format and content?). Seems the stuff linked today supports that. Apparently the Amazon advertisement is more detailed and specific than the official D&D page advert.
It does seem sort of odd, unless you look at the precedent of Strahd revamped.
I can see folks not wanting to buy it on DDB, since almost everyone has the first half of the adventure (though I thought I also saw language saying there's a "twist" to the LMoP revisit). It's sort of an odd product move unless you look at this is sort of celebration edition of an adventure that was the first game for many 5e and many D&D players. I can say the FLGS cover looks frictin cool and since I don't have LMOP in print, I may actually pre-order this one from my FLGS.
Now totally speculating on this next thought, but I think this may well also be the "obelisks" explained, granting closure of the recurring obelisk gimmick throughout 5e adventures. There's been a lot of fan theories about them, and some folks have hoped that the obelisk conspiracy will tie into Vecna as the big bad evil guy for products bridging 5e to whatever the One D&D revision of 5e is called. That's be neat if they used this Phandelver book as one of many possible starting points for a tier 3 and tier 4 Vecna adventure to sort of cap off the 5e product cycle before the One D&D refreshed or updated edition, finally giving players high level play outside of a mega dungeon.
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This is just a guess. But given the previous level suggestions LM only takes you up to level 5.
Levels 5-12 is basically the same as Storm Kings Thunder minus the bad tutorial mission.
And there is plenty they can do to rework the existing LM material. Personally I'd prefer they make the middle 2 chapters (Phandalin and the Spiders Web) a bit more sandboxy with a lot more backstory involved, particularly for Glasstaff, the doppelganger, Venomfang and Hunan Kost.
I could also see more development on the major NPCs, particularly Gundren and Sildar.
https://dndstore.wizards.com/us/product/820931/phandelver-and-below-the-shattered-obelisk-digital-plus-physical-bundle
AHA! It "Retains the beloved Lost Mine of Phandelver quests that unfold into a brand-new adventure with classic D&D themes and a tinge of horror" according to WotC. I was right! Who on earth tho would buy remastered content for around 3x the original's cost?
EDIT: Curses. I'm late to the party.
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That's what it says on DDB (the exact wording being "fresh take", but same intent to my reading).
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I feel less like it's different in that Strahd Revamped was basically a deluxe version that was late to the party. I see the parallels, but this seems different. This kind of feels like they couldn't be bothered to do a full adventure, so they took a short one and topped it up. I think I'd feel more comfortable if instead, they wrote L1-5 fresh, but wrote the whole thing in such a way that you could replace (or integrate, I suppose) the L1-5 part with LMoP instead.
It's not impossible that that's what they've done (or close to it). Maybe the first segment is heavily modified and it just takes sone inspiration - it could well be worth it in that case. However, seeing how WotC have dealt with things since 1D&D has been their focus, I'm more inclined to think they've probably just taken LMoP, added the presence of a few obelisks to support later narrative, swapped out a few enemies for their corrupted versions and called it a day.
I'll probably have to give it a miss, personally.
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Agreed, I’ll wait 3 months for a better review and maybe a discount if what’s being suggested is accurate.
I plan to use the results of my Lost Mines game and work them into the background of the new Adventure.
Have a magic smithy/ mine up and running. Named after one of the dwarfen Brothers who didn’t make it i n my game.
a ruined keep that got rebuild by a group of adventures who are away on a mission or maybe around ( depending on what I need).
An innkeeper who got elected Village speaker after the last one proved incompetent.
Attack: [roll]3d20dl2+6[/roll] Damage: [roll](if([roll:-1:critical], =0, 1d8, 2{1d8}.expand()))+4[/roll] Sneakattack: [roll](if([roll:-2:critical], =0, 2d6, 2{2d6}.expand()))[/roll]