Me and my party just found a nest full of different colored dragon scales (this is a dragon breeding stop or rest idk) I'm just trying to summon a guard drake also, WHAT THE FLIP IS A MAROON DRAGON CAUSE I GOT 5 OF THOSE SCALES
There is no assigned value to the scales in 5e, nor is there any fixed formula for creating armor from them. Really it’s entirely up to your DM how or if you can use the scales. Things like making armor or- even worse from a balance perspective- a guard drake are entirely at their discretion.
I wrote an article about carving up dragons for 3.5, back when they printed on paper.
It required an adult sized dragon to make armor for a medium sized creature.
Seems excessive. A large dragon ought to provide enough scales to make a suit of armor for a medium creature. And shed scales can also be used, per the Dragon Scale Armor's description.
From that I would estimate that a Young Dragon could make a shield.
A single scale can be used as a shield if it's large enough, as is indicated by the various kobolds that use dragon scales as shields. A dragon of at least huge size ought to provide scales that large, since 5E doesn't differentiate between shield styles.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Most people don't realise that for the scales to have any use as armor, they need to reach a certain thickness and hardness. That only happens when the dragon reaches adulthood. And by that time, a lot of the scales are really too large to be any use in armor - meaning, you can only use some of them. What this boils down to is: The best scales making armor for a human sized character is found around the joints - arms, legs, wings - where they have the right size and flexibility for making the armor.
Or some such. As a GM, that's my explanation, in part because it makes sense (if you want it to), and in part because I don't want mass produced dragon armor.
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Oh, I was thinking it could be her way of describing a copper dragon as in the artwork shows purple and red highlights, maybe she thought it was maroon also, it is more likely that it would be a red and brown dragon mix as red and brown are more likely to make maroon, on the topic brown dragon seems to be a sand or great desert dragon in which I have not found any mention in dnd beyond accept in the homebrew page but have found it in a multitude of other websites such as forgotten realms wiki.
I wrote an article about carving up dragons for 3.5, back when they printed on paper.
It required an adult sized dragon to make armor for a medium sized creature.
Seems excessive. A large dragon ought to provide enough scales to make a suit of armor for a medium creature. And shed scales can also be used, per the Dragon Scale Armor's description.
From that I would estimate that a Young Dragon could make a shield.
A single scale can be used as a shield if it's large enough, as is indicated by the various kobolds that use dragon scales as shields. A dragon of at least huge size ought to provide scales that large, since 5E doesn't differentiate between shield styles.
Real life: You do not use the entire beast, there is a lot of waste. A full sized cow has spots on it of weakness. To make something high quality you carefully select the perfect pieces.
In game: Balance means you do not take a Large sized creature and give it full plate. Instead you make the player earn the armor. They want something above and beyond normal armor, they need to fight something of appropriate power. To get a full size medium armor that does ANYTHING magical, you have to defeat an Adult Dragon.
I wrote an article about carving up dragons for 3.5, back when they printed on paper.
It required an adult sized dragon to make armor for a medium sized creature.
Seems excessive. A large dragon ought to provide enough scales to make a suit of armor for a medium creature. And shed scales can also be used, per the Dragon Scale Armor's description.
From that I would estimate that a Young Dragon could make a shield.
A single scale can be used as a shield if it's large enough, as is indicated by the various kobolds that use dragon scales as shields. A dragon of at least huge size ought to provide scales that large, since 5E doesn't differentiate between shield styles.
Real life: You do not use the entire beast, there is a lot of waste. A full sized cow has spots on it of weakness. To make something high quality you carefully select the perfect pieces.
In real life, you don't make armor out of a creature that has magic scales that are superior to steel.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
In real life, you don't make armor out of a creature that has magic scales that are superior to steel.
It doesn't say anywhere that 'all dragon scales are superior to all steel'. What you're referring to is that a suit of magical Dragon Scale mail is superior to unenchanted steel scale mail. But that goes without saying. In fact, I think you'll find that a suit of magical steel scale mail often has the same bonus as a suit of magical dragon scale mail. Arguably, if nothing else, this is true.
It's not really that I agree with you. If anyone asked me, as a GM, 'how do dragon scales work in your games?' the answer would be that dragon scales cannot even be worked without magic. Of course, another truth in my games is that dragons are long extinct, and that there's only a single dead dragon lying about somewhere, resting on it's unplundered hoard, so that a single suit of dragon armor could (eventually) exist in that world.
But for .... general purposes, the exact qualities of dragon scales aren't determined, and everything is just ... opinion. How we want it to be.
Having said all that, I have nothing near all the books, so ... it might all be defined and clad in iron in some source I don't know =)
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Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
No well, maybe, it is more likely for red and brown to make maroon and can anybody fact check me on sand dragons because they can be found in other sources just not dnd beyond. While we are on the topic how much would a large amount of meat be, would it be in relation to a large creature or is it up to the DM's discretion?
DM’s discretion, particularly once you hit Large or bigger; the size categories are very general.
thanks, man im sad though, my DM is just not creative enough and has no plans for any session, she just "makes it on the fly" and yes sometimes that could be a good thing but she's just not that type of person so im betting she's never gonna let me summon a guard drake.
DM’s discretion, particularly once you hit Large or bigger; the size categories are very general.
thanks, man im sad though, my DM is just not creative enough and has no plans for any session, she just "makes it on the fly" and yes sometimes that could be a good thing but she's just not that type of person so im betting she's never gonna let me summon a guard drake.
Not letting you summon a guard drake is more an exercise in practicality than a lack of imagination. A player's ability to call on allies at will is defined by their class features or spells; anything else is up to the DM to choose to introduce an additional NPC on the party's side.
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We are trying to find out a couple of things,
1. What does a dragon scale actually weigh?
2. How much dragon scales are needed for different types of armor?
3. What is the per kilo price of dragon scales?
Curious, because my party found a chest full of dragon scales recently. Not exactly looking forward to finding said dragon just yet...
Me and my party just found a nest full of different colored dragon scales (this is a dragon breeding stop or rest idk) I'm just trying to summon a guard drake also, WHAT THE FLIP IS A MAROON DRAGON CAUSE I GOT 5 OF THOSE SCALES
There is no assigned value to the scales in 5e, nor is there any fixed formula for creating armor from them. Really it’s entirely up to your DM how or if you can use the scales. Things like making armor or- even worse from a balance perspective- a guard drake are entirely at their discretion.
I wrote an article about carving up dragons for 3.5, back when they printed on paper.
It required an adult sized dragon to make armor for a medium sized creature.
From that I would estimate that a Young Dragon could make a shield.
Do you know what a maroon dragon is because I'm pretty sure my DM just made it on the spot
Yup, not in the books.
Seems excessive. A large dragon ought to provide enough scales to make a suit of armor for a medium creature. And shed scales can also be used, per the Dragon Scale Armor's description.
A single scale can be used as a shield if it's large enough, as is indicated by the various kobolds that use dragon scales as shields. A dragon of at least huge size ought to provide scales that large, since 5E doesn't differentiate between shield styles.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It's definitely a homebrew or third party critter.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Most people don't realise that for the scales to have any use as armor, they need to reach a certain thickness and hardness. That only happens when the dragon reaches adulthood. And by that time, a lot of the scales are really too large to be any use in armor - meaning, you can only use some of them. What this boils down to is: The best scales making armor for a human sized character is found around the joints - arms, legs, wings - where they have the right size and flexibility for making the armor.
Or some such. As a GM, that's my explanation, in part because it makes sense (if you want it to), and in part because I don't want mass produced dragon armor.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Presumably, a Maroon Dragon is a hybrid of a Red Dragon and a Green Dragon.
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Oh, I was thinking it could be her way of describing a copper dragon as in the artwork shows purple and red highlights, maybe she thought it was maroon also, it is more likely that it would be a red and brown dragon mix as red and brown are more likely to make maroon, on the topic brown dragon seems to be a sand or great desert dragon in which I have not found any mention in dnd beyond accept in the homebrew page but have found it in a multitude of other websites such as forgotten realms wiki.
Real life: You do not use the entire beast, there is a lot of waste. A full sized cow has spots on it of weakness. To make something high quality you carefully select the perfect pieces.
In game: Balance means you do not take a Large sized creature and give it full plate. Instead you make the player earn the armor. They want something above and beyond normal armor, they need to fight something of appropriate power. To get a full size medium armor that does ANYTHING magical, you have to defeat an Adult Dragon.
In real life, you don't make armor out of a creature that has magic scales that are superior to steel.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It doesn't say anywhere that 'all dragon scales are superior to all steel'. What you're referring to is that a suit of magical Dragon Scale mail is superior to unenchanted steel scale mail. But that goes without saying. In fact, I think you'll find that a suit of magical steel scale mail often has the same bonus as a suit of magical dragon scale mail. Arguably, if nothing else, this is true.
It's not really that I agree with you. If anyone asked me, as a GM, 'how do dragon scales work in your games?' the answer would be that dragon scales cannot even be worked without magic. Of course, another truth in my games is that dragons are long extinct, and that there's only a single dead dragon lying about somewhere, resting on it's unplundered hoard, so that a single suit of dragon armor could (eventually) exist in that world.
But for .... general purposes, the exact qualities of dragon scales aren't determined, and everything is just ... opinion. How we want it to be.
Having said all that, I have nothing near all the books, so ... it might all be defined and clad in iron in some source I don't know =)
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
wait red and green makes maroon?
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No well, maybe, it is more likely for red and brown to make maroon and can anybody fact check me on sand dragons because they can be found in other sources just not dnd beyond. While we are on the topic how much would a large amount of meat be, would it be in relation to a large creature or is it up to the DM's discretion?
DM’s discretion, particularly once you hit Large or bigger; the size categories are very general.
thanks, man im sad though, my DM is just not creative enough and has no plans for any session, she just "makes it on the fly" and yes sometimes that could be a good thing but she's just not that type of person so im betting she's never gonna let me summon a guard drake.
Not letting you summon a guard drake is more an exercise in practicality than a lack of imagination. A player's ability to call on allies at will is defined by their class features or spells; anything else is up to the DM to choose to introduce an additional NPC on the party's side.