RAW Misty Step is instantaneous, so means it takes 0 seconds to take effect. As such, I would rule (RAW) that you would appear in the new location, as you would become visible at the same instant that you appear in the new location, not even a split second before.
RAW Misty Step is instantaneous, so means it takes 0 seconds to take effect. As such, I would rule (RAW) that you would appear in the new location, as you would become visible at the same instant that you appear in the new location, not even a split second before.
Misty Step has a casting time of 1 bonus action, but after that the duration is instantaneous. So you still have a finite time between starting to cast the spell and finishing cast the spell.
The rules don't specify whether you become visible at the START of the casting or at the END of the casting.
If it isn't at the START of the casting, then it wouldn't be possible to Counterspell it either.
The rules don't specify whether you become visible at the START of the casting or at the END of the casting.
If it isn't at the START of the casting, then it wouldn't be possible to Counterspell it either.
While Invisibility says "casts a spell" I would argue that means "starts casting", as end of casting is a more unusual and specific case that really requires more specific wording such as "finishes casting a spell".
Basically if you're not sure if it means end of casting, then it means start of casting, because if it meant end it should say end (or similar).
That said, I think the most reasonable way to handle it is as happening "as you cast". It's very likely the intention that you should count as invisible while attacking, but reasonable that you become visible while doing so so the target can still trigger anything that requires them to see. Likewise with casting, if you cast an attack spell you should still get advantage to hit for being invisible, but another caster could still attempt to counterspell. That's pure DM call though as they are final judge on timing in each case.
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At the start of the casting. The concentration mechanic says that if you are concentrating on a spell and start casting another concentration spell then the first one drops as soon as you start casting the second one. It’s a similar enough situation to apply the same logic to using misty step while invisible.
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell, so not before for sure since you must be doing so and for instantaneous spell, i'd say after you teleport.
If it's of any interest to you here's how the Dev say it's intended to work;
@armando_doval When does the Invisibility spell end: immediately before or immediately after you attack/cast a spell?
@JeremyECrawford The invisibility spell is meant to end right after you make an attack or cast a spell. It doesn't predict what you're about to do!
How do you describe Misty Step working when you are visible? The answer to this question will define what happens in the scenario you presented.
For example, I would describe Misty Step as follows: My character smiles at the foe and softly recites a sentence; then my character is pulled to their center of mass and vanishes into a bluish silver orb no larger than a billiard ball. A second orb appears 10 ft in front of the chamber door and my body expands out of the orb to its full form; hopping down on the ground.
In my description there are visual elements to the execution of this spell. So i would expect the ruling to be that Invisibility would fade away at some point when my character is being pulled into the orb. And I would expect a similar ruling if I describe Misty Step as "bursting into smoke", "point to a location and body is pulled into a string of purple arcane energy", or "I trace an oval with my hands around my body and fall through a portal under my feet; a second portal appears 20 ft away and my body is thrusted upward and lands just after it closes".
In short, Invisibility should not cover up any of the arcane spell effects of the spell. So while your character may not physically appear, the physical effects of your character blinking away would be visible.
Likewise with casting, if you cast an attack spell you should still get advantage to hit for being invisible
I have an alternate explanation that may account for why one gets advantage on an attack, even though they lose invisibility in the process. When we look at the section on making an attack, the DM determines advantage or disadvantage prior to the attack roll being made. That doesn't specifically address the point you make, but it does provide another explanation for why both things could occur together. This is straightforward for making a weapon attack, but my explanation might not apply to making an attack as part of casting a spell. And of course, my explanation has nothing to do with the interaction between misty step and invisibility other than to say the same logic for attacks may not apply to the OP's example.
if i cast invisability on my self an a tern or more after that i use misty step to teleport i become visable befor or after i teleport?
Ask your DM. I'd say after.
IMHO, casting a spell makes you visible, so there might be a glimpse of you before you instantaneously Misty Step to your new location
RAW Misty Step is instantaneous, so means it takes 0 seconds to take effect. As such, I would rule (RAW) that you would appear in the new location, as you would become visible at the same instant that you appear in the new location, not even a split second before.
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Misty Step has a casting time of 1 bonus action, but after that the duration is instantaneous. So you still have a finite time between starting to cast the spell and finishing cast the spell.
The rules don't specify whether you become visible at the START of the casting or at the END of the casting.
If it isn't at the START of the casting, then it wouldn't be possible to Counterspell it either.
While Invisibility says "casts a spell" I would argue that means "starts casting", as end of casting is a more unusual and specific case that really requires more specific wording such as "finishes casting a spell".
Basically if you're not sure if it means end of casting, then it means start of casting, because if it meant end it should say end (or similar).
That said, I think the most reasonable way to handle it is as happening "as you cast". It's very likely the intention that you should count as invisible while attacking, but reasonable that you become visible while doing so so the target can still trigger anything that requires them to see. Likewise with casting, if you cast an attack spell you should still get advantage to hit for being invisible, but another caster could still attempt to counterspell. That's pure DM call though as they are final judge on timing in each case.
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At the start of the casting. The concentration mechanic says that if you are concentrating on a spell and start casting another concentration spell then the first one drops as soon as you start casting the second one. It’s a similar enough situation to apply the same logic to using misty step while invisible.
The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell, so not before for sure since you must be doing so and for instantaneous spell, i'd say after you teleport.
If it's of any interest to you here's how the Dev say it's intended to work;
How do you describe Misty Step working when you are visible? The answer to this question will define what happens in the scenario you presented.
For example, I would describe Misty Step as follows: My character smiles at the foe and softly recites a sentence; then my character is pulled to their center of mass and vanishes into a bluish silver orb no larger than a billiard ball. A second orb appears 10 ft in front of the chamber door and my body expands out of the orb to its full form; hopping down on the ground.
In my description there are visual elements to the execution of this spell. So i would expect the ruling to be that Invisibility would fade away at some point when my character is being pulled into the orb. And I would expect a similar ruling if I describe Misty Step as "bursting into smoke", "point to a location and body is pulled into a string of purple arcane energy", or "I trace an oval with my hands around my body and fall through a portal under my feet; a second portal appears 20 ft away and my body is thrusted upward and lands just after it closes".
In short, Invisibility should not cover up any of the arcane spell effects of the spell. So while your character may not physically appear, the physical effects of your character blinking away would be visible.
This is a very good point. If someone loses invisibility due to spell casting, are they visible in time for a creature to counterspell their spell?
I have an alternate explanation that may account for why one gets advantage on an attack, even though they lose invisibility in the process. When we look at the section on making an attack, the DM determines advantage or disadvantage prior to the attack roll being made. That doesn't specifically address the point you make, but it does provide another explanation for why both things could occur together. This is straightforward for making a weapon attack, but my explanation might not apply to making an attack as part of casting a spell. And of course, my explanation has nothing to do with the interaction between misty step and invisibility other than to say the same logic for attacks may not apply to the OP's example.
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